Black Holes or Quasars and/or E.U.

[Lloyd]

I
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Shortly.

[Lloyd]

AI COOPERATES AT LAST

It took me a little too long to prepare this post, so it won't be the O.P., but it will be if you ignore the O.P.

BIPOLAR JETS. I told Perplexity.ai to make a table showing all objects ejecting bipolar jets. It produced the following.
_Category -- Central Engine -- Example Objects -- Key Traits
Protostars (YSOs) -- Accretion disks -- HH 32, HH 46/47, L1551 IRS5 -- Molecular outflows, 10-1000s km/s, ubiquitous in Class 0/I
​T Tauri stars -- Disk winds -- DG Tau, RW Aur -- Optical HH objects, episodic knots
Pulsar wind nebulae -- Neutron star spin -- Crab Nebula (PSR B0531+21) -- Relativistic, synchrotron X-rays
Active galactic nuclei -- Supermassive black holes -- M87*, Cygnus A, Centaurus A -- kpc-scale radio lobes
X-ray binaries/microquasars -- Stellar black holes/neutron stars -- SS 433, GRS 1915+105 -- Relativistic speeds near c
Planetary nebulae (late phase) -- Post-AGB binaries -- KjPn 8, Hen 2-99 -- Shaped by jets into rings/lobes

QUASARS. I asked: why do you omit quasars? It replied.
_Quasars were not omitted — they fall under Active Galactic Nuclei (AGN) in the table, as quasars are the luminous, energetic subset of AGN powered by supermassive black holes ejecting bipolar jets.

BLACK HOLES. I replied: Black holes are illusions of unsound math involving division by zero. Quasars are the real source of the jets, not imaginary black holes. It responded rather sensibly.
_Mainstream astrophysics attributes quasar jets to supermassive black holes at galactic cores, powered by mechanisms like Blandford-Znajek (extracting spin energy via twisted magnetic fields near the event horizon) or Blandford-Payne (centrifugal acceleration from the accretion disk).
​_Division by Zero Critique
The claim that black holes arise from mathematical singularities (r=0 density infinities in GR solutions) aligns with critiques like those from Miles Mathis or Electric Universe proponents, where coordinate singularities replace physical collapse with plasma discharges.
​_No division-by-zero occurs in observed jets; instead, quasars appear as compact, variable radio sources with bipolar lobes, which Chandler-style models reframe as natural tokamaks without needing GR pathologies. [conversation_history]
_Quasar as Jet Source
Thousands of quasars (e.g., 3C 273, Pictor A) drive kpc-scale jets without direct black hole imaging, fueling arguments that electric currents in galactic circuits—not imaginary horizons—pinch and accelerate plasma to relativistic speeds.
​_Event Horizon Telescope images (M87*, Sgr A*) show shadows consistent with GR, but alternatives interpret these as photon sphere stand-offs in dense plasma tori, not proof of singularities.

PROGRESS. Perplexity.ai has long been reluctant to allow alternative ideas to be discussed without interjecting mainstream propaganda that opposes alternatives. You can see above that it's apparently getting more tolerant, at least occasionally.

[Lloyd]

ILLUSORY AGB STARS

AGB OF HR DIAGRAM. AGB means Asymptotic Giant Branch (of the HR Diagram). An AGB is supposedly a type of star. The term "branch" derives from its track on the Hertzsprung-Russell (HR) diagram​. The Hertzsprung-Russell (HR) diagram plots stars' luminosity (or absolute magnitude) against their surface temperature (or spectral type, from O = hottest to M = coolest). It supposedly reveals evolutionary stages, with 90% of stars on the diagonal main sequence band running from hot, bright upper left (O/B types) to cool, dim lower right (M dwarfs).
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​CHARLES CHANDLER. I said: "Based on this paper by Chandler, what would he say about AGBs? http://www.qdl.scs-inc.us/2ndParty/Pages/6350.html
AI said: Charles Chandler's theory rejects AGB stars as a distinct late evolutionary phase. In his "Main Sequence" model from the attached paper, the HR diagram's "branches", like red giants and AGB, are artifacts of sorting by electric field strength and plasma density, not temporal evolution — stars simply cool and redden down the main sequence over time.
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HR DIAGRAM CRITIQUE. Chandler views the main sequence as 90% of stars, held by current-free double layers (CFDLs) in supercritical plasma, where hotter blue stars have stronger near-surface electric fields compacting plasma for higher-frequency (blue is higher frequency than red) blackbody emissions. Red giants cluster at upper right due to relaxed fields allowing expansion, not post-helium fusion; he dismisses fusion-driven tracks as failing opacity and mass limits, favoring electric compression over gravity.
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AGB & RGB. AGB "asymptotic" paths parallel RGB (the Red Giant Branch) because both reflect CFDL failures in larger, cooler plasmas shedding light elements (H, He) via reduced ionization — explaining IRC+10216's dust shells as steady electrostatic ejections, not thermal pulses. Light elements like hydrogen and helium have low ionization energies, so they neutralize first—losing their positive charge in the outer layers where electric fields are weakest. Gravity alone cannot hold these neutral gases against thermal expansion and radiation pressure, unlike denser metals. Pulsations and mass loss match tokamak-like instabilities in weakening fields, transitioning to white dwarfs (reinterpreted as natural tokamaks) or planets, without nuclear stages.
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STAR COLOR. There is no star core exhaustion; luminosity drops from ohmic heating loss in thickening photospheres. The star's topmost positive layer expands because its underlying negative layer weakens. Thicker photospheres resist electron drift more, channeling current into discrete sunspot tunnels for explosive flares — explaining red dwarfs' violent outbursts as CFDLs fail. HR Diagram Branches are static categories (not evolutionary stages) by size/density; color change from blue-to-red proves cooling, not fuel depletion.