Vostok Ice Cores and the Saturn capture hypothesis

[SamMackrill]

Given: Earth was once a satellite of the brown dwarf Saturn relocated when captured by Sol in the recent past

Should this not be reflected in the Vostok ice core data, which seem to go back many 100s of thousands (perhaps millions) of years?
But what we see is a repeating pattern of ice-ages that seem to match activity fluctuations in Sol
Indeed there should be no ice at all from when Earth was bathed in the corona of the Saturn-Star
The ice core data pre-dates Homo Sapiens by quite a margin

[NoBadgers]

Fair question, I haven't heard anyone bring that up before. How does one explain ice that existed prior to earth's capture by sol?

[nick c]

Ice Core Evidence
Dating evidence involving ice-cores, particularly from Greenland, has been interpreted by some as absolute proof of uniformitarian dogma. Charles ginenthal's work on the topic pretty much destroys all of that.

The link below is divided into 9 topics concerning ice cores, each with its own link.

http://www.bearfabrique.org/Catastrophi ... s/ice.html

[nick c]

Apparently the link in my above post is no longer working.
The bulk of Charles Ginenthal's books and many articles were formerly available free on line, but since his death several years ago most of the links have disappeared. Too bad.
Presently most (if not all) of Ginenthal's books (he was prolific) are available for electronic purchase. They are reasonably priced.

The Ice Core article with the dead link is available as an electronic booklet for $3.99 from Barnes and Noble (Nook) or Amazon (KIndle). It is must reading for anyone who thinks that ice cores are a reliable chronological tool.

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/ice-co ... 1123172028

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ice+core+evi ... nb_sb_noss

If you would like a hard copy of any of Ginenthal's works you would have to buy it used on line. The books seem to be going up in price and used copys are going for $30 for an issue of his journal and $60 + for his books. They pop up here and there on ebay, or various book sellers such as ABE books and others.

[nick c]

From: ICE CORES NOT THAT SIMPLE - Fred Hall, Aeon Vol. II #1, p119

The a priori assumption of ice core dating is that layers can be counted and counted as an annual measurement. But this is not the case.

The thinking is that CO2 comes from volcanos, and CH4 is outgassed from the Earth and the rotting of organisms, along with O2 these gases form acidity peaks in the ice cap. The assumption is that these "indicators" are piled upon older layers, are compressed by succeeding layers and remain "as initially deposited" for thousands of years which allows a year to year count. That this method of ice core dating is a flawed chronological system has been known for a long time.

See the article in Dec. 23, 1988, issue of SCIENCE: "Gravitational Separation of Gases and Isotopes In Polar Ice Caps", by H. Craig, Y. Horibe, and T. Sowers, pp. 1675

The article shows that the atmospheric gases do not remain in the layers. Due to gravity, they diffuse downward accumulating on the denser ice below.
from the above referenced article in SCIENCE:
"The accumulating firn acts like a columnar sieve through which the gravitational enrichment can be maintained by molecular diffusion."

The time between the conversion of new snow into ice takes many years. During this time the snow forms into firn which in turn eventually forms into ice. The process is slowed down by cold, and inside the Arctic or Antarctic circle, can take a century or more. During this time the gas filtering described in the SCIENCE article is an ongoing process, which negates the counting of layers as equaling years.

The technique of ice core dating does not tell us anything about history or chronology.