Creationism, Myth and Catastrophism

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light? If you have a personal favorite theory, that is in someway related to the Electric Universe, this is where it can be posted.
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Re: Creationism, Myth and Catastrophism

Unread post by Lloyd » Mon May 18, 2026 2:17 am

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@Shearsy, the AI was likely Perplexity.ai or Copilot.com. I started using DeepAI.org lately too. I don't know if I used it though for the above.

I used mostly AI to tell me what the Septuagint Bible says about when the Flood occurred. It says about 3200 BC.

I tried to understand Wal's EU ideas from at least 2007 till 2012. I know many of the claims he made, but he never did back any of them up with sound reasoning and data, as far as I could see. My extensive discussions with Charles Chandler, Michael Mozina and Brant Callahan was very productive and I finally found an EU model that made thorough sense. I asked someone to invite Wal and Don and maybe others to join in the discussion, but they declined. Also, Bob or Jim Johnson made a video against their anode Sun theory and proposed a plasma Sun instead. So I gave up on Wal's and Don's models. I talked with Pierre Robitaille yesterday and he has knowledge about the Sun that seems likely to improve on Charles' model. So I'm still looking for further info.

GIZA

Structure Unearthed | The NOT so lost Labyrinth of Egypt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3tNTntFJsg
I think this video is saying that the structure scanned under the pyramid/s is now being excavated. She said it's like 300 feet deep and there's water near the top, but it's dry underneath, so they have to remove the water layer. This gave me the idea that the structure under the pyramid/s was likely built before the Younger Dryas, when sea level was much lower than now. I'm pretty sure this isn't the famous Labyrinth of Egypt, which I think is at another location. AI says that one is at Memphis, about 12 miles south of Giza.

Egypt’s Osiris Shaft Mystery: This Shocking Update is Truly Disturbing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJEYTjSM94s
In this new video, Jimmy (Bright Insight) says the Osiris shaft between the pyramids and the sphinx was discussed by Zahi Hawas with him lately and Hawas claimed that the huge granite sarcophagus with a lid at the bottom, 100 feet down, was opened and found to be empty. But Jimmy looked up a scientific paper about the opening of it from 1999 which said there was a skeleton found in it and maybe some other things. So Jimmy thinks Hawas stole the skeleton and perhaps sold it for big money. He also said he thinks the skeleton could very likely be that of Khufu, the builder of the Great Pyramid.

ROBITAILLE'S STELLAR LATTICE MODEL

I wrote a post with links to all of his Substack papers, called
THE METALLIC HYDROGEN SUN, Robitaille's Substack Papers at https://electricastrophysics.substack.c ... drogen-sun
And I wrote 2 articles on his model, called
ROBITAILLE ATOMIC LATTICE MODEL, QM Is Meaningless Abstraction at https://electricastrophysics.substack.c ... tice-model
and
METALLIC HYDROGEN SUN - II, Coronal Rain, Solar Lattice, Lithium, Helium at https://electricastrophysics.substack.c ... gen-sun-ii

SOLAR CORONAL LOOPS, CORONAL RAIN, SOLAR ELEMENTS
There's also this short discussion.
SOLAR ATMOSPHERIC PRESSURE, LOW OR HIGH?
Robitaile had an article titled Commentary on the Liquid Metallic Hydrogen Model of the Sun II: Insight Relative to Coronal Rain and Splashdown Events, where he stated that coronal rain consists of “cool and dense matter and not waves,” and that its descent toward the solar surface can reach roughly 120 km/s, which he said is slower than what would be expected in the Sun’s gravitational field, concluding that the downward motion is being slowed by gas pressure in the lower solar atmosphere, pressure much higher than commonly believed. Perplexity.ai summarizes typical coronal‑rain velocities as roughly 30–100 km/s, with extreme cases approaching 200 km/s, and an often‑cited average near 65 km/s.

WAS HE WRONG? DeepAI.org made a simple free‑fall calculation from a loop height of about 700 km and obtained an impact speed of only ~19.6 km/s. When compared with observed values near 120 km/s, this would imply that the blobs fall six times FASTER, NOT SLOWER, than gravity alone would allow, suggesting additional acceleration mechanisms — possibly magnetic forces — instead of being slowed down by atmospheric pressure. DeepAI.org also notes that coronal‑rain plasma at ~1 MK typically contains iron ionized to Fe IX–Fe XII, meaning each atom has lost 8–11 electrons. Since coronal‑loop footpoints are rooted in magnetically active regions such as sunspots, the strong magnetic fields there could attract ionized iron and other charged particles, potentially explaining why the rain might fall faster than simple gravitational free‑fall from those heights.

PROBABLY NOT WRONG. However, it was then realized from observing an image of coronal loops on the Sun that the 700‑km loop height was far too small. Coronal loops are typically on the order of 10,000 km, and in some cases up to 200,000 km, in height. Using DeepAI.org’s own method, a 10,000‑km loop yields a free‑fall speed of ~74 km/s, and a 100,000‑km loop yields ~234 km/s. The latter is much greater than the observed maximum of ~120 km/s, and both exceed the ~65 km/s average. So the more accurate conclusion is that something — likely atmospheric drag or pressure — is slowing the descent, consistent with Robitaille's suspicion. His statement about observed speeds being lower than expected gravitational velocities is said to come from Antolin, Vissers, and van der Voort (2012). Astronomers often use escape velocity as a rough upper‑bound reference, even though the Sun lacks a distinct surface in the conventional gas‑model framework. Using this approach yields an expected velocity on the order of 600 km/s — far above the observed values. And a proper calculation of terminal velocity would require mass, drag coefficient, atmospheric density, and reference area, but the essential point is that the Antolin et al. paper itself concludes that coronal‑rain speeds are lower than gravitational expectations. {Meaning the solar atmosphere in the Chromosphere and lower Corona must be denser than generally thought. However, Robitaille said the Corona has a positive electric charge and AI says so do the Coronal Loops. Therefore, positive charged coronal rain falling through positive charged Corona should tend to be slowed down due to same charges repelling.}

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Re: Creationism, Myth and Catastrophism

Unread post by Brigit » Mon May 18, 2026 4:11 pm

Lloyd says, "I tried to understand Wal's EU ideas from at least 2007 till 2012. I know many of the claims he made, but he never did back any of them up with sound reasoning and data, as far as I could see."

The difficulty for the Electric Universe and the Thunderbolts Project is not a lack of "sound reasoning and data," but rather an overabundance of data. For many decades they have given effective, devastating, rational criticism of Big Bang cosmology, while at the same time offering a remarkably consistent, clear explanation of the results from all of the space missions from a Plasma and Electric Universe perspective. Over the years, I have found very very few space observatories and telescopes whose results they did not report on.
"The important thing in all of this, and something which Velikovsky in his usual intuitive way presaged, is that gravity itself is linked to [subatomic] electrostatics. It is not some innate quality associated with matter, unrelated to its electrical structure." ~Wal Thornhill

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Creationism, Myth and Catastrophism

Unread post by Brigit » Mon May 18, 2026 4:28 pm

The Overabundance of Published Materials and Data from Spacecrafts in the Electric Universe

The reading for the Electric Universe is truly voluminous. From 2004 on, they presented a short column on space news daily. I am in simply in awe of the labors involved. Stephen Smith took over in mid-2007, and so the Electric Universe perspective on Space and Sciences news was offered every weekday. The number of objects (moons, asteroids, comets, etc.) they drew attention to and discussed within the Solar System alone is extraordinary, let alone the stars, nebulae and galaxies, on up to superclusters.

From 2012 onward, they presented Space News, offering constant reports and alternative plasma and Electric Universe interpretations, which has over 700 video publications. But especially from 1999 on the papers Wal Thornhill published provided the overarching, broad Electric Universe Synthesis of the space and earth sciences -- across the space age, with each and every new telescope and spacecraft mission, as it happened. He also frequently related his research, references and reports on events in the space age from the earliest probes in the 1950s,1960s, including the Apollo landings and Venus orbiters and landers, and those from the 1980s and 1990s.

As I said, there is an overabundance of reporting on the space sciences. The question is, what are some practical ways to approach such a huge, encyclopedia of materials? May I invite a new reader to experience the Plasma and Electric Universe from the beginning of the Pictures of the Day? These are nice, short essays beginning in 2004, which are very clearly written, and anyone can read them at their own pace. Enjoy an introduction to the ideas of the Electric Universe by beginning here, and scrolling to the bottom:
"The important thing in all of this, and something which Velikovsky in his usual intuitive way presaged, is that gravity itself is linked to [subatomic] electrostatics. It is not some innate quality associated with matter, unrelated to its electrical structure." ~Wal Thornhill

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Re: Creationism, Myth and Catastrophism

Unread post by Brigit » Mon May 18, 2026 4:46 pm

3/3 Now just to drive the point home, here is a sampling of just two months of Electric Universe Pictures of the Day. Just two months!


Red Herring
Dec 28, 2012 The light from remote globular clusters should be blue according to theory because the farther away one looks the farther back in time one sees. It seems as if each new observation from the Hubble Space Telescope or the Chandra X-ray Observatory adds fuel to the Electric ...

Color image of Rachmaninoff basin
Another Year
Dec 27, 2012 The MESSENGER spacecraft has recently been approved for an extended mission in Mercury orbit. The Mercury Surface, Space Environment, Geochemistry and Ranging (MESSENGER) spacecraft was launched from Cape Canaveral on August 3, 2004. On March 17, 2011 MESSENGER entered orbit, initiating a yearlong study of the Solar System's innermost ...

SN1994D, a supernova in NGC 4526
Stars That Will Not Explode
Dec 26, 2012 NASA computer simulations are not able to correctly model supernova explosions. Contemporary astrophysical models of stellar evolution rely on the mechanical action of cold gas collapsing from gravitational impetus. Stars are seen as whirling vortices of compressed matter heated to fusion temperatures by pressure, alone. Clouds of ...

Arc Mode Discharge
Dec 24, 2012 Glass, plastics, and various metal oxides are efficient dielectric insulators. Dry air is another example. Lightning is not well understood. The most common interpretation involves the circulation of water vapor up and down through clouds in a process called convection. Water is heated by the Sun until ...

Will the World End on 21st December 2012?
Dec 20, 2012 Thoughts on the Origins of the Mayan Calendar The sacred Mayan calendar based on cycles of 260 days and 360 days can be traced back to the Olmecs living in 800 BCE but the cycles themselves have no known counterparts in the real world today. The nearest ...

Galactic Fireballs
Dec 19, 2012 Images of the Coma Cluster from the Subaru Telescope reveal galactic filaments connecting bright "knots" of ionized gas. According to redshift calculations, the Coma Cluster is a sphere of galaxies 3.5 million light years in diameter over 300 million light years from Earth. The cluster is one ...

A traditional cosmology based on Icelandic mythology and a scientific cosmology
Traditions of Science
Dec 18, 2012 Science and folk tradition are supposed to be strictly separate domains of knowledge, but in practice they often shade into each other. The image shown above right attempts to map the entire visible universe. The galaxies tend to collect into vast sheets and superclusters of galaxies surrounding large voids ...

Appearances of the Fourth Kind
Dec 17, 2012 Is planetary science correct to use Earth as the basis for explaining other planets? “Appearances to the mind are of four kinds. Things either are what they appear to be; or they neither are, nor appear to be; or they are, and do not appear to be; ...

Martian Volcanic Plates
Dec 14, 2012 Volcanoes on Mars should not be found in chains, since no crustal plate movement exists either there or on Earth. According to a recent press release, Mars experiences plate tectonics, just like Earth does. As An Yin, a UCLA professor of Earth and space sciences wrote: "Mars ...

Windy Waves
Dec 13, 2012 Wind socks, bow shocks, shockwaves and collisions are often used to describe the phenomena that create high-frequency electromagnetic radiation in the cosmos. From gamma rays down through X-rays and extreme ultraviolet, conventional theories have relied upon gravity and acceleration as the only way for them to be ...

All in the Family
Dec 11, 2012 The Sun's nearest neighbors do not share a similar chemical composition. There are ten stars within 11 light-years of the Sun: Star Name Distance Proxima Centauri 4.2 light-years Rigil Kentaurus ...

X-Jets
Dec 10, 2012 X-rays in space are an electrical phenomenon According to a recent press release, the most distant X-ray jet ever observed is spewing from a supermassive black hole (SMBH) in the center of a quasar known as GB 1428+4217, extending for an estimated 230,000 light-years from the source ...

Double Layers in Laboratory and Cosmic Plasmas
Dec 07, 2012 Electric double layers are like waterfalls that energize charged particles falling through them. "We have to learn again that science without contact with experiments is an enterprise which is likely to go completely astray into imaginary conjecture." --- Hannes Alfvén A double layer forms in plasma when ...

Kayapo headdress, C. 1910
Headed for the Sky
Dec 06, 2012 In parts of the Amazonian rainforest, traditional costume included a headdress consisting of a circular arrangement of feathers. The ring of 36 feathers, most of which are white, lacks an obvious counterpart in the skies we see above us. The above example was collected in c. 1910 ...

Do You Know the Way?
Dec 05, 2012 Electric planets exist in an electric Solar System. "The main aurora oval on Jupiter we think should dim when the solar wind blows harder, but what we see is that actually gets brighter, which is totally counter intuitive and we still don't know why.” --- Jonathan Nichols, ...

A massive cloud of hydrogen is pictured on a collision course
Smith’s Cloud
Dec 04, 2012 According to astronomers, a cloud of gas with the mass of a small galaxy is approaching the Milky Way. A cloud of hydrogen gas known as Smith's Cloud, massive enough to be considered a galaxy itself, may have collided with our own Milky Way galaxy at some ...

Ice in the Furnace
Dec 03, 2012 Is there frozen water on Mercury? Some say the world will end in fire, Some say in ice. From what I've tasted of desire I hold with those who favor fire. But if it had to perish twice, I think I know enough of hate To say ...

Lunar Dust Levitation
Nov 30, 2012 Static electric charge might help to explain the glowing haze sometimes seen rising 100 kilometers above the Moon’s horizon. Between May 1966 and January 1968, NASA launched the Surveyor missions to the Moon. Each Surveyor spacecraft weighed approximately 450 kilograms and was designed to soft-land on the ...

Getting Sloshed
Nov 29, 2012 Is hot gas sloshing in a gravitational wine glass—or is astrophysicists’ reasoning going in a circle? A recent press release explains: “Like wine in a glass, vast clouds of hot gas are sloshing back and forth….” The blue image is assembled electronically from x-ray data and superimposed on the ...

Saturn’s Northern Hot Spot
Nov 28, 2012 Electric Universe advocates were not surprised by Saturn’s hot poles. In a past press release, NASA scientists admitted their surprise at finding a hot north pole on Saturn, although the term "hot" is relative. The temperature of the pole is around 72 Kelvin (about minus 200 Celsius) ...

Serious Issues with Plate Tectonics
Nov 27, 2012 David Pratt's publication in the year 2000 enumerates multiple problems affecting the theory of plate tectonics and seafloor spreading. The above schematic of Alaska reveals regions of rock strata that appear to have "accreted" to an original craton. Southern Alaska is composed of fragments in all shapes and sizes, each ...

Albedo and elevation images for Oppia crater on Vesta
Number Three
Nov 26, 2012 New images of the third largest asteroid reveal etched chasms and deep holes. The Dawn mission continues in orbit around Vesta. Vesta is ranked high among minor planets, with Pallas (531 kilometers) and Ceres (952 kilometers) as its larger cousins. Ceres is also part of the Dawn ...

Venus passed in front of the Sun on June 8, 2004
Venus in Transition
Nov 22, 2012 Venus will transit the Sun on June 5, 2012. Venus and Earth describe a unique orbital configuration with respect to the Sun. The resonance between the two planets is readily apparent when a plot of their movements is made over the course of eight years. Every couple of centuries, ...

Crumbling Pillars
Nov 21, 2012 Rather than being a stellar nursery the famous dust clouds in the Eagle Nebula may already be gone. On November 2, 1995, NASA released the now-famous image of M16, the Eagle Nebula, in the constellation Serpens. Jeff Hester, an astronomer from Arizona State University, was quoted as ...

Caloris Basin on Mercury
Mercury’s Anomalous Composition
Nov 20, 2012 Images of Mercury reveal an unusual blend of mineral compounds in its surface structure, as well as a thin atmosphere. The planet Mercury is 4878 kilometers in diameter. The moons Ganymede and Titan are both larger, while Earth's moon is slightly smaller. Mercury orbits the Sun at ...

Explanations That Don’t Explain
Nov 19, 2012 “Planetary nebulae are glowing shells of gas around white dwarfs,” according to the standard explanation. This is a better description of dogma than of the image. “Astronomers have long debated how these symmetric jets could be created,” the press release continues. “Stars are spherical”; the jets not so ...

Electric Sculpting
Nov 16, 2012 Areas of Mars larger than Texas are wrenched and twisted, with deep canyons and sharp fissures, yet they are scoured clean of rocks and dust. In previous Thunderbolts Picture of the Day articles about the areology of Mars, powerful electric arcs were theorized to have once impacted ...

Supposed black hole
Black Hunger
Nov 15, 2012 Problematic black hole physics is in the news again. In a recent press release from the Galaxy Evolution Explorer and the Pan-STARRS1 telescope in Hawaii, astronomers announced "direct evidence" for the existence of a supermassive black hole (SMBH) in another galaxy. The high frequency ultraviolet spectrum, as well as ...

Feeding Habits
Nov 14, 2012 The nebular hypothesis is brought out once again to explain how stars are born and age. In 1755, the German philosopher Immanuel Kant proposed that the Sun and the planets of the solar system were originally formed out of a cloud of dust and gas floating in ...

NGC 5128
Radio Elliptical
Nov 13, 2012 One of the largest "active galaxies" is thought to be powered by a supermassive black hole. Electrical energy is a more likely driving force. A recent press release from the European Southern Observatory (ESO) announces that the elliptical galaxy Centaurus A is ejecting a light-years long jet of material ...

Martian Skylights in the Laboratory
Nov 12, 2012 Deep cylindrical pits on Mars are not easy to explain. Small-scale plasma discharge experiments could offer some clues to their formation. In previous Thunderbolts Picture of the Day articles about unusual geological structures on Mars, it was argued that craters, canyons, dunes and many other features do ...

The Tarantula Nebula
New Ideas for New Stars
Nov 09, 2012 The Tarantula Nebula in the Large Magellanic Cloud, a companion galaxy to the Milky Way, is called a nursery for new stars. The growing awareness of plasma should make it also a nursery for new ideas to explain its features. It features glowing filaments of ionized hydrogen ...

Cygnus X-1
X-1 Files
Nov 08, 2012 Without a theory of electricity in space, astronomers must explain cosmic lightning with theories of falling gas. To get x-rays from falling gas, the gas must be attracted to a source of gravity with orders-of-magnitude more force than any known density of matter. Nevertheless, with suitable assumptions ...

Filamentary My Dear Watson
Nov 07, 2012 Phenomena throughout the visible universe exhibit features that are twisted and “stringy”. From plume to prominence it is plasma interactions that we see. In previous Picture of the Day articles, there have been many discussions about formations cut in stone or puffed-out in clouds of ionized gas ...

Cluster Wires
Nov 06, 2012 A galaxy-wide filament connects two galactic clusters. The Herschel Space Observatory possesses the largest mirror ever launched into space: 3.5 meters in diameter. Herschel entered orbit around LaGrange point L2 (behind Earth in relation to the Sun) in July 2009, so that its extremely sensitive, supercooled infrared detectors could ...


Thunderbolts, Mammoths and Mass Destruction
Nov 05, 2012 Did cosmic lightning wipeout the mammoths? Siberia, Alaska, Malta! Three mass slaughter sites! Sites littered with carcasses and skeletons captured in violent death throes. Some are petrified as rocks (Malta), some are preserved in ice (Siberia), some are surrounded and invaded by limestone(Hot Springs - Dakota). Others ...

Frozen Fires
Nov 02, 2012 The Chandra X-ray Telescope has puzzled astronomers with the discovery of abnormally high temperatures at the core of the Milky Way. A news release announcing this image of the center of the Milky Way stated that the X-ray spectrum of the gases is consistent with a cloud ...

Chaotic terrain on Europa
Europa Oceania
Nov 01, 2012 Do the features on Europa indicate subsurface lakes? I care not what the sailors say: All those dreadful thunder-stones, All that storm that blots the day Can but show that Heaven yawns; Great Europa played the fool That changed a lover for a bull. --- William Butler ...
"The important thing in all of this, and something which Velikovsky in his usual intuitive way presaged, is that gravity itself is linked to [subatomic] electrostatics. It is not some innate quality associated with matter, unrelated to its electrical structure." ~Wal Thornhill

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