In other words, the many systems that people so passionately adhere to and are so committed to institute, are designed to restore a physical paradise on the present Earth.
I think Dave Talbott has explained so much by opening this inquiry into the trauma of the beauty of Earth's past. A corollary of this is that there is a universal, subconscious drive to try to physically restore a paradise on Earth.** It's given me a lot to think about.
**ref "In the world you will have tribulation. But be of good cheer, I have overcome the world."
It's not going to be paradise, He said.
Velikovsky's Question: Why Isn't Planetary Catastrophe Remembered?
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Velikovsky's Question: Why Isn't Planetary Catastrophe Remembered?
"The important thing in all of this, and something which Velikovsky in his usual intuitive way presaged, is that gravity itself is linked to [subatomic] electrostatics. It is not some innate quality associated with matter, unrelated to its electrical structure." ~Wal Thornhill
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Velikovsky's Question: Why Isn't Planetary Catastrophe Remembered?
The Electric Universe has introduced the topic of Life on a Satellite of a Brown Dwarf Star, and maintained any-and-all-possibly-pertinent scientific observational and experimental records on the subject, for many decades now. In fact, over the entirety of the Space Age, Wal Thornhill, Dave Talbott, and others have explored the conditions that would be expected for Earth as a satellite of a Brown Dwarf.
One of the most confronting differences between the Electric Universe model and standard cosmology is of course electric dipole gravity. And, out of the many, many advantages of this model of gravity, two stand out above all others. Electric dipole gravity is both attractive and repulsive, and electric dipole gravity is variable. That is, the electric dipole gravity of any object in space can change, under different states of electrical stress within that body. To understand what conditions on an Earth with a Brown Dwarf Sun were like, we can first posit that the gravitational force on the surface of our planet has changed.
So if humanity is indeed longing in some unconscious way for Edenic conditions, as we have been discussing, the Electric Universe has some answers for what those conditions were. And of course the fossil record reflects a previous era of megaflora and megafauna.
Lower gravity may have, first off, been the cause of gigantism. With lower gravity, not only would there have been a prevalence of gigantism but also possibly much longer lifespans (say, centuries longer). Life on Earth can be said to have been very abundant, and also possibly very long. (Not that lower gravity itself gives longer lifespans, but that the Earth's previous gravitational force and electric field combined allowed the workings of every cell to be carried out with much less wear and tear.)
And so there was long life, abundant plant and animal growth under more of the red end of the spectrum of light, gigantism, a lack of ice at the poles, and no real weather extremes or seasons; a time of more harmonious communication between animals and people, a possible single language, and a time when government was not invented or needed. The science of "life under a Brown Dwarf star" and the work of comparative mythologists, together, give these insights into past conditions.
But we can no more bring those conditions back than we can change Suns again! Wouldn't it be much healthier to come to terms with that, than to pursue false promises of long life through unethical scientific means? For the scientific Utopians and so-called transhumanists out there, the clear and powerful compulsion to try to become gods and live forever on Earth is based on a total lack of scientific understanding of the Earth's new position under a main sequence type G star.
One of the most confronting differences between the Electric Universe model and standard cosmology is of course electric dipole gravity. And, out of the many, many advantages of this model of gravity, two stand out above all others. Electric dipole gravity is both attractive and repulsive, and electric dipole gravity is variable. That is, the electric dipole gravity of any object in space can change, under different states of electrical stress within that body. To understand what conditions on an Earth with a Brown Dwarf Sun were like, we can first posit that the gravitational force on the surface of our planet has changed.
So if humanity is indeed longing in some unconscious way for Edenic conditions, as we have been discussing, the Electric Universe has some answers for what those conditions were. And of course the fossil record reflects a previous era of megaflora and megafauna.
Lower gravity may have, first off, been the cause of gigantism. With lower gravity, not only would there have been a prevalence of gigantism but also possibly much longer lifespans (say, centuries longer). Life on Earth can be said to have been very abundant, and also possibly very long. (Not that lower gravity itself gives longer lifespans, but that the Earth's previous gravitational force and electric field combined allowed the workings of every cell to be carried out with much less wear and tear.)
And so there was long life, abundant plant and animal growth under more of the red end of the spectrum of light, gigantism, a lack of ice at the poles, and no real weather extremes or seasons; a time of more harmonious communication between animals and people, a possible single language, and a time when government was not invented or needed. The science of "life under a Brown Dwarf star" and the work of comparative mythologists, together, give these insights into past conditions.
But we can no more bring those conditions back than we can change Suns again! Wouldn't it be much healthier to come to terms with that, than to pursue false promises of long life through unethical scientific means? For the scientific Utopians and so-called transhumanists out there, the clear and powerful compulsion to try to become gods and live forever on Earth is based on a total lack of scientific understanding of the Earth's new position under a main sequence type G star.
"The important thing in all of this, and something which Velikovsky in his usual intuitive way presaged, is that gravity itself is linked to [subatomic] electrostatics. It is not some innate quality associated with matter, unrelated to its electrical structure." ~Wal Thornhill
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Velikovsky's Question: Why Isn't Planetary Catastrophe Remembered?
The Electric Universe does indeed give a broader picture of all of the sciences and of the history of the Earth, and how these fit together. The mythohistorians, or "plasma mythologists" as Rens van Der Sluijs calls them, acknowledge the previous understandings of the various nations, tribes and tongues. They do this by listening closely to their legends, myths and sacred stories of the previous epochs and cataclysms, and by looking at the traditional artforms.
As I have followed along all these years, it has been an amazing adventure. One passion I have had for many years is to create a library -- but this would be completely different than any library known or conceived by the mind of man. This library would contain a shelf of blank books for every language that has ever existed on the planet earth, from around 3000 BC to the present time. Since the vast majority of the languages that have been spoken on every continent have been lost, it would be a huge library, but full of blank pages.
So far, I have only filled about a half-shelf of books with the names of forgotten languages on their spines, because these are from nations that had their own alphabets, which I copied into these books, with a short entry on what is known about that nation or ethnicity.
And I have no doubt that they each had preserved some myths or legends that describe the time of planetary capture and plasma discharges in the sky. We can say this with some confidence and assurance because of the worldwide occurrence of the plasma discharges in petroglyphs and because of all of the electrical scarring (and electrical deposition) covering most of the bodies in the Solar System.
So in answer to Velikovsky's question, "Why isn't planetary catastrophe remembered?" I would add that most languages have been lost, and that the rest have been processed through Greek and Roman writers; and after that, the Humanists put new cultures through their own Classical process and lens. But in the Electric Universe, despite the fact that many or most of those who have developed it are good, respectable card-carrying Humanists, I think there should always be room to acknowledge the loss of languages, and to quantify in some way those lost languages and nations, because it is possible that as many as 95% of all languages have slipped away from all memory, each with its own way of transmitting those events. Some of them may have been quite literal in their descriptions of, for example, the unstable period of capture, when there were wild changes in cold and heat, plasma spanning the ancient skies, planets coming close to earth, and when there were two suns in the sky, one sun dying and departing to be among the stars.
As I have followed along all these years, it has been an amazing adventure. One passion I have had for many years is to create a library -- but this would be completely different than any library known or conceived by the mind of man. This library would contain a shelf of blank books for every language that has ever existed on the planet earth, from around 3000 BC to the present time. Since the vast majority of the languages that have been spoken on every continent have been lost, it would be a huge library, but full of blank pages.
So far, I have only filled about a half-shelf of books with the names of forgotten languages on their spines, because these are from nations that had their own alphabets, which I copied into these books, with a short entry on what is known about that nation or ethnicity.
And I have no doubt that they each had preserved some myths or legends that describe the time of planetary capture and plasma discharges in the sky. We can say this with some confidence and assurance because of the worldwide occurrence of the plasma discharges in petroglyphs and because of all of the electrical scarring (and electrical deposition) covering most of the bodies in the Solar System.
So in answer to Velikovsky's question, "Why isn't planetary catastrophe remembered?" I would add that most languages have been lost, and that the rest have been processed through Greek and Roman writers; and after that, the Humanists put new cultures through their own Classical process and lens. But in the Electric Universe, despite the fact that many or most of those who have developed it are good, respectable card-carrying Humanists, I think there should always be room to acknowledge the loss of languages, and to quantify in some way those lost languages and nations, because it is possible that as many as 95% of all languages have slipped away from all memory, each with its own way of transmitting those events. Some of them may have been quite literal in their descriptions of, for example, the unstable period of capture, when there were wild changes in cold and heat, plasma spanning the ancient skies, planets coming close to earth, and when there were two suns in the sky, one sun dying and departing to be among the stars.
"The important thing in all of this, and something which Velikovsky in his usual intuitive way presaged, is that gravity itself is linked to [subatomic] electrostatics. It is not some innate quality associated with matter, unrelated to its electrical structure." ~Wal Thornhill
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