Novel Radio Telescope design - for looking "up the barrel" of plasma conduits & using patent 512,340..

[joabel1971]

1. Attached are pictures related to a novel type of design for a non-collisionary, receiving antenna for radio waves from outer space.
It assumes that galaxies are actually 2 interleaved, helical, twisted pair plasma conduits at 180 degrees out of phase, and we are simply looking "down the barrel" at the spirals.
This may have led to observational errors over the years.

2. A galaxy may potentially be a part of a standing wave node - in a rope-like tunnel created by 2 plasma conduits

3. Since the 2 double helices are 180 degrees out of phase, that helps describe a hidden observance. By using a dual polarity design - using an interleaved cone (patent#512,340 - which appears to be some type of flow capacitor), both helicies will potentially be received differentialy.

4. Patent 512,340 may also be a mis-observance of a 3d cone instead of a pancake coil (top-view shows the same for either). If you assume any officials know the truth (but don't want to share it) - reverse engineering becomes simper.

5. My new prototype is Grade 1, hot-rolled Titanium instead of 304 Stainless Steel. It's also smaller to only fit the mount-ring.
The cone has the distinction of matching the base circumference with the slant height.

6. The picture showing the twisted-pair eddy currents & standing wave nodes created by an electric field between the 2 conductors or conduits - was pulled from the ASM Metals Handbook - Vol. 2 page 2807.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... qVWL9Qw37U

[Maol]

The link is junk, potential spam, is there another better?

Here is a link to the Tesla patent.
https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/ ... ro-magnets

[joabel1971]

Sorry, I reset the permissions - you can access it now. If someone would tell me how to place inline pictures into my posts correctly - I wouldn't have to share links.

[nick c]

joabel,

The link still does not work. I get a generic Google page.

You can post an image from your computer as an attachment, but the max file size is 512 mb
-If I want to post an image from a website, I take a screenshot and put it on my desktop, making sure that it is no larger than 512 mb. If needed it can be resized with the "Paint" software that comes with Windows, or other similar software.
-select "Attachments" below your post
-click "add files"
-this will bring up a screen from which you can select your image
-select "Place Inline" and with your cursor, put the image in your post

<Moderator Edit: the link was fixed and seems to be working

[Cargo]

I've never been able to post an image.
see https://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/php ... 168#p12168
"You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post."

[joabel1971]

Ok, let's try again.

edit : Nope, "You do not have the required permissions ....."

I contacted the Administrator to update my permissions - and I also updated my Google Drive share again. Give it another try. Sorry for the hassle.

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fractal_layer_spectrum.png

1037px-Messier51_sRGB.jpg

[joabel1971]

This post came from another discussion, but I don't know how to close it. This thread will be my primary discussion about my fraction radio telescope project - unless of course, someone starts spamming it. We'll see.

Link appears working now for pictures: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... qVWL9Qw37U

Earlier post in regards to a "non-snowflake-shaped" fractal loop antenna that looks like a cone :


In regards to wrapping patent 512,340 (interleaved coil) into a cone shape - the outcome isn't a cone antenna with 1 wirelength resonance. It's a condensed array of loop antennas - each having it's own wirelength resonance.

1. Due to the capacitance between the two wires - each wrap is isolated from the next - causing an array of loop antennas covering a wide band of resonant wavelengths.

2. Also, by setting the cone base circumference equal to the slant height - you get a constant base angle, irregardless of the height.

That also means that all wavelengths streaming from each loop antenna will meet at a common point (apex) of the cone shape. So, by putting a near-field sensor at that point - you will potentially get resonant signals. SDRs, VNAs, and Spectrum analayzers are very good at sorting through a wide band of frequencies - and SDRs can be programed to combine "like" frequencies.

3. I figured out a few years ago - that series of 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16-wave, etc. - began to constructively interfere at a phase of 3/2*pi.
SDRs can add that phase to any of their IQ data.

4. So, do you want an easy way to build a fractal antenna - without bending snowflake figures? Start with Patent 512,340, wrap it on a cone with slant height = base circumference, and realize that it is a series of loop antennas with individual resonant frequencies. My HamGeek B220mini is really useful for this work, and A.I. seems to be good at writing python scripts for it.

[Maol]

Which design are you referring to, Fig. 1 or Fig. 2 ?

[joabel1971]

Which one looks like an interleaved cone-shaped coil from a top-view? BTW, how do you post pictures? I don't seem to have permission to do so, and I have submitted a request to fix - to the admin.

[Maol]

They are each a single conductor, but Fig 2? is arranged with an opposing scheme, which as described by Tesla, eliminates or cancels the self-induction property of the coil.



I post pictures which I find on line by hovering mouse cursor over image, right click and choose "copy image link" then in this forum (and others) click on the "insert image" icon and paste between the or paste the image link and drag mouse over it with left click depressed to highlight it as if to copy, then click on the insert image command above the entry pane and the will paste astraddle the highlighted text.

[joabel1971]

Ok, so I paste my link to my picture here, then highlight, then click on insert image:

** Looks like posting pictures directly doesn't work for me.

Also, yes, Fig. 1 & Fig. 2 may both be considered 1-conductor each - but if you decide to wrap an interleaved coil, it's much easier to wrap 2 wires next to each other and simply attached the opposite ends (for in-series). So, in that sense - I typically discuss it in terms of 2 wires in-series.

A.I. summarizes the patent as such:

From what I know (and also drawing from the logic in older patents like Tesla’s and others like 512,340):

1. Capacitance Between Turns

Each interleaved turn doesn’t just add inductance — it also creates mutual capacitance to its neighbor.

This means you don’t just have one big lumped inductor; you have a ladder of tiny LC sections formed by:

the inductance of each short segment of wire,

and the capacitance between that segment and its adjacent one.

That ladder effect is what makes it fractal-like.

2. Distributed vs. Lumped Resonance

In a 1-wire coil (like a simple pancake or loop), resonance is mostly determined by the total wire length (quarter-wave, half-wave, etc.) and the overall lumped LC.

In an interleaved coil, the capacitances are much stronger and more localized. This creates multiple resonant modes (harmonics, sub-resonances, standing waves between turns).

So yes — each turn can have its own resonant relationship, not just the whole structure. It’s not totally independent (because they’re coupled), but the result is a ladder network of coupled resonators.

3. Ladder or Fractal Antenna Analogy

You can think of your interleaved cone-coil as a ladder of loop antennas, where each "rung" has slightly different inductance/capacitance values.

This would:

Allow multi-band resonance (it can ring at multiple frequencies).

Increase stored energy density (because of the tight inter-turn capacitance).

Possibly support fractal-like self-similarity in how currents distribute — which may couple to plasma or standing waves in unexpected ways.

4. Patent Implication

Patent 512,340 doesn’t explicitly say "each turn has its own resonance," but by emphasizing the inter-turn capacitance and "greater energy storage per length of wire," it implies this distributed/ladder-like behavior. It’s closer to a transmission line / metamaterial than a plain single-wire coil.

So yes, your hunch is correct: your interleaved cone coil can act like a ladder of loop antennas, each section resonating while still feeding into the overall resonance of the whole cone. That’s a big difference compared to just a 1-wire cone or pancake wrap, which is usually locked to a single fundamental mode.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kb9yly ... drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nNGki8 ... drive_link

[joabel1971]

So, good luck folks. A useful answer is in front of you - but the NRAO and NASA aren't likely going to confirm or embrace it.

[Maol]

The pictures are available when your links here are opened in new tabs, but I can't post them as pictures either, so it must have something do do with where or in what format they are stored or hosted on the web.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kb9yly ... drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nNGki8 ... drive_link

I don't understand antenna design well enough to discuss it, but are you saying the cone shape provides sensitivity in a directional or beam-like focus, similar in function as a parabolic sound reflector focuses microphone reception, and the interleaved cone coil geometry results in enhanced sensitivity at the multiple resonant peaks as shown in the graph?

The graph with resonant peaks reminds me of the product of software I use which calculates specific frequencies and dB suppression for modeling geometry of muffler designs for IC engines.

What would you expect to see "looking up the barrel of plasma conduits" ?

[joabel1971]

1. The pictures are available when your links here are opened in new tabs, but I can't post them as pictures either, so it must have something do do with where or in what format they are stored or hosted on the web.

My pictures are typically stored & shared .jpg files - with an occasional .png.

2. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kb9yly ... drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nNGki8 ... drive_link

These links don't lead anywhere.

2. I don't understand antenna design well enough to discuss it, but are you saying the cone shape provides sensitivity in a directional or beam-like focus, similar in function as a parabolic sound reflector focuses microphone reception, and the interleaved cone coil geometry results in enhanced sensitivity at the multiple resonant peaks as shown in the graph?

The cone has the exclusive property of having a base circumference equal to the slant height - resulting in a constant base angle of 80.842 degrees. And, it's NOT holding a cone-shaped wire antenna - it's holding a series of loop antennas separated by capacitance of adjacent wrap (patent 512,340). So, unlike a typical 1-wire cone antenna that only has 1 wirelength resonant frequency - each wrap will resonate under it's own wirelength & LC conditions. Also, if each loop-antenna resonates with a portion of an incoming signal - and that wavelength extends in all directions - there is only one point that all the portions terminate with the same phase - the apex of the cone. This is logically where a near-field collector could be placed.

3. The graph with resonant peaks reminds me of the product of software I use which calculates specific frequencies and dB suppression for modeling geometry of muffler designs for IC engines.

That's nice.

4. What would you expect to see "looking up the barrel of plasma conduits" ?

I already posted a picture of this - but If my understanding of plasma cosmology is accurate & if the Cosmic Web is made from CHHIP (cold, hydrogen, highly ionized plasma) instead of dark matter - then I would expect to see the following type of structure by looking "up-the-barrel" of a twisted-pair Cosmic Web filament. You might recognize it: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PXzj1z ... sp=sharing

[Maol]

Looks like home. I have a large poster of that image on the wall in my workshop with a "you are here" arrow on it.