If all EM waves are particles (aka photons), then how can a radio wave Particle (aka radio photon) be MILES long ?

[mariuslvasile]

In quantum physics (or quantum mechanics), electro-magnetic waves are claimed to be particles, or photons, in a contradictory postulate which is called 'particle-wave duality'.

So by equating a wave with a particle, all properties of the wave, such as frequency, amplitude, and wavelength, are transferred to the photon particle. The problem which obviously occurs is that in the case of radio waves their wavelength can be many kilometers long. Ergo, you end up with a photon particle that is many kilometers long.

Another problem is that photons do not have any amplitude, while radio waves and all waves obviously do have one. Because a wave with no amplitude is just a straight line, and not a wave. In QM, the amplitude of an EM wave is given by the number of photon particles, which are waves with no amplitude ! But that would mean that a wave is not a particle, but many many particles. Which is not what QM claims. It claims that a single wave is a single particle, aka photon, and that a single photon particle is, in itself, an EM wave !

And if a radio wave has amplitude, and it obviously has one, because radio data is transmitted by varying the amplitude of radio waves, then why doesnt the radio photon particle have an amplitude, and where did the amplitude of the radio wave go, since a radio particle which in QM is equivalent to a single radio wave does not have an amplitude ?

This just shows that the particle-wave duality is an illogical and absurd claim, which gives rise to cosmical absurdities, and which are never explained by quantum physicists who simply claim that no one can understand quantum physics. Why is it a SCIENCE, then ? How can one KNOW, something which one can't understand ? And the reason why no one can understand quantum physics is because it's a contradictory pseudo-science which does not make any sense.

https://vasileffect.blogspot.com/2024/0 ... f.html?m=1

[crawler]

In quantum physics (or quantum mechanics), electro-magnetic waves are claimed to be particles, or photons, in a contradictory postulate which is called 'particle-wave duality'.

So by equating a wave with a particle, all properties of the wave, such as frequency, amplitude, and wavelength, are transferred to the photon particle. The problem which obviously occurs is that in the case of radio waves their wavelength can be many kilometers long. Ergo, you end up with a photon particle that is many kilometers long.

Another problem is that photons do not have any amplitude, while radio waves and all waves obviously do have one. Because a wave with no amplitude is just a straight line, and not a wave. In QM, the amplitude of an EM wave is given by the number of photon particles, which are waves with no amplitude ! But that would mean that a wave is not a particle, but many many particles. Which is not what QM claims. It claims that a single wave is a single particle, aka photon, and that a single photon particle is, in itself, an EM wave !

And if a radio wave has amplitude, and it obviously has one, because radio data is transmitted by varying the amplitude of radio waves, then why doesnt the radio photon particle have an amplitude, and where did the amplitude of the radio wave go, since a radio particle which in QM is equivalent to a single radio wave does not have an amplitude ?

This just shows that the particle-wave duality is an illogical and absurd claim, which gives rise to cosmical absurdities, and which are never explained by quantum physicists who simply claim that no one can understand quantum physics. Why is it a SCIENCE, then ? How can one KNOW, something which one can't understand ?

https://vasileffect.blogspot.com/2024/0 ... f.html?m=1

Simple.
Photons are not radio waves.
Radio waves are not photons.

[mariuslvasile]

Simple.
Photons are not radio waves.
Radio waves are not photons.

According to mainstream physics, they are ! Don't you see that I am clearly referring to quantum physics and it's particle-wave duality, according to which radio waves are photon particles ?

[crawler]

Simple.
Photons are not radio waves.
Radio waves are not photons.

According to mainstream physics, they are ! Don't you see that I am clearly referring to quantum physics and it's particle-wave duality, according to which radio waves are photon particles ?

I don’t know anything about quantum physics except that it is a math model that often gives nice numbers, but it is not reality.
Radio waves are real. But they are moreso em pulses, ie manmade forced artificial waves/pulses, not natural waves.
Radio photons do not exist.
Hertz (his wave theory) was wrong, & his experiments were wrong. As has been explained by Ionel Dinu.

[mariuslvasile]

Well Hertz's discovery of radio waves have lead to the invention of radio, radar, mobile phones and so on, what did Ionel Dinu invent based on his theory of radio pulses ? He may be romanian, but I will not give him a pass just for that. Maxwell, Tesla, Hertz, and their EM wave theories and experiments are responsible for all the incredible technology that we have now, not Dinu. That said, he might have some interesting ideeas which are worth considering.

[mariuslvasile]

But this topic is not about Dinu's theories, it is about Einstein's quantum theory of particle-wave duality, which is completely wrong as I have proved.

My demonstration is a reductio ad absurdum, that is, presuming the premises that Einstein makes are right, i.e. that EM waves are particles (photons) as he claims, and showing that they lead to clearly absurd and impossible conclusions, such as a particle being several kilometers long. Therefore, his premise must be wrong, and waves cannot be particles.

So even if Dinu is right, it makes no difference to the purpose of this topic, which is proving Einstein wrong (again).

[crawler]

Well Hertz's discovery of radio waves have lead to the invention of radio, radar, mobile phones and so on, what did Ionel Dinu invent based on his theory of radio pulses ? He may be romanian, but I will not give him a pass just for that. Maxwell, Tesla, Hertz, and their EM wave theories and experiments are responsible for all the incredible technology that we have now, not Dinu. That said, he might have some interesting ideeas which are worth considering.

Standard Science has been & is wrong about nearly everything (radio)(electricity etc). But that has not stopped progress. But, it has probly retarded progress.

[crawler]

But this topic is not about Dinu's theories, it is about Einstein's quantum theory of particle-wave duality, which is completely wrong as I have proved.

My demonstration is a reductio ad absurdum, that is, presuming the premises that Einstein makes are right, i.e. that EM waves are particles (photons) as he claims, and showing that they lead to clearly absurd and impossible conclusions, such as a particle being several kilometers long. Therefore, his premise must be wrong, and waves cannot be particles.

So even if Dinu is right, it makes no difference to the purpose of this topic, which is proving Einstein wrong (again).

Yes, agreed, Einsteinian stuff is krapp. I reckon that some ideas (eg that radio waves are photons) can be wrong for many many reasons.
Unfortunately some of Einstein's stuff gives goodish numbers some of the time.
STR is krapp -- & GTR is mostly krapp -- we are presently in the Einsteinian Dark Age of science -- but the times they are a-changin' -- the aether will return -- it never left.

[mariuslvasile]

Unfortunately some of Einstein's stuff gives goodish numbers some of the time.

So does a broken watch. It will show you the exact hour two times a day.

Ptolemy also had a geocentric theory which gave good results. They were so good in fact that they were used for navigation for hundreds if not thousands of years. But guess what, his theory was completely and absolutely wrong. Even if it was very useful for navigation purposes.

In the same way, Einstein's theory of special relativity, which he stole from Poincare, Lorentz and others, may be used to calibrate GPS and give good results for navigation. That does not make it right.

[crawler]

Unfortunately some of Einstein's stuff gives goodish numbers some of the time.

So does a broken watch. It will show you the exact hour two times a day.

Ptolemy also had a geocentric theory which gave good results. They were so good in fact that they were used for navigation for hundreds if not thousands of years. But guess what, his theory was completely and absolutely wrong. Even if it was very useful for navigation purposes.

In the same way, Einstein's theory of special relativity, which he stole from Poincare, Lorentz and others, may be used to calibrate GPS and give good results for navigation. That does not make it right.

GPS duznt use Einsteinian stuff. GPS proves Einsteinian stuff is wrong. This has been covered lots on forums etc. Hodge is (was) the expert re all of that.

[nick c]

In the same way, Einstein's theory of special relativity, which he stole from Poincare, Lorentz and others, may be used to calibrate GPS and give good results for navigation. That does not make it right.

As crawler stated GPS does not need relativity. The relativistic correction is a matter of 3 or 4 inches and GPS is only accurate to about 15 feet. Military GPS may, in some cases, be more accurate, but its accuracy is still measured in multiple feet.

Any relativistic correction is meaningless as it is a small fraction of the margin of error for GPS.

https://www.physicsmyths.org.uk/gps.htm

[mariuslvasile]

Thanks guys, I was just quoting them I also have proved why GPS has nothing to do with relativity here: https://vasileffect.blogspot.com/2023/1 ... s.html?m=1

[tharkun]

A wave is not a 'thing'; it is a pattern created by other things. All of the EM spectrum is mediated by spinning photons. The wave pattern is a result of the spin of the photon being stretched out due to it's linear motion.

[Maol]

In the same way, Einstein's theory of special relativity, which he stole from Poincare, Lorentz and others, may be used to calibrate GPS and give good results for navigation. That does not make it right.

As crawler stated GPS does not need relativity. The relativistic correction is a matter of 3 or 4 inches and GPS is only accurate to about 15 feet. Military GPS may, in some cases, be more accurate, but its accuracy is still measured in multiple feet.

Any relativistic correction is meaningless as it is a small fraction of the margin of error for GPS.

https://www.physicsmyths.org.uk/gps.htm

Do you think this is so from your own experience?

About 15 years ago I repaired the corroded battery contacts in a friend's aviation specific Garmin device which was a few years old at the time and noticed it recognized the difference in location between my hands on outstretched arms, a distance of about 6 feet. I mentioned this to a pal who works for the railroad and he chuckled, responding with his smart phone recognized the difference between one railroad track tie and another, a distance of about 18 inches.

[tharkun]

Do you think this is so from your own experience?

About 15 years ago I repaired the corroded battery contacts in a friend's aviation specific Garmin device which was a few years old at the time and noticed it recognized the difference in location between my hands on outstretched arms, a distance of about 6 feet. I mentioned this to a pal who works for the railroad and he chuckled, responding with his smart phone recognized the difference between one railroad track tie and another, a distance of about 18 inches.

THe difference is likely one between precision and accuracy. Just because a small difference can register, it doesn't mean that either point is accurate. A standard digital caliper may be precise down to ±0.0005", but if it's zeroed incorrectly, your measurements will all be wrong. Just a thought.