EU2024

[Open Mind]

I see on the Thunderbolts Project website all about EU2012 to EU2017, and then nothing. Why is that? Is there a chance of an EU2024 or EU2025?

[thevoluntaryway]

Who organised those events? What was the attendance for each of them? Are any of the organisers or even attendees active members of this forum?

[The Great Dog]

Wal Thornhill is dead.
Dwardu Cardona is dead.
Dave Talbott had a debilitating stroke -- he is in a wheelchair.
Bill Mullen is dead.
Steve Smith and Mel Acheson no longer participate -- they are retired.
Don Scott is in his 90s.
The Mainwaring Archive Foundation no longer supports Thunderbolts, so there's no funding.
Because there's no funding, there's no per diem to offer people like Schoch, or Sheldrake and others.
Also. venues are extremely expensive, the cost per ticket would be exorbitant.
I doubt that Youtube brings in enough to pay for any of that.

If there's other information that I don't know, then maybe there's another explanation.

[Open Mind]

Wal Thornhill is dead.
Dwardu Cardona is dead.
Dave Talbott had a debilitating stroke -- he is in a wheelchair.
Bill Mullen is dead.
Steve Smith and Mel Acheson no longer participate -- they are retired.
Don Scott is in his 90s.
The Mainwaring Archive Foundation no longer supports Thunderbolts, so there's no funding.
Because there's no funding, there's no per diem to offer people like Schoch, or Sheldrake and others.
Also. venues are extremely expensive, the cost per ticket would be exorbitant.
I doubt that Youtube brings in enough to pay for any of that.

If there's other information that I don't know, then maybe there's another explanation.

Crap! So in other words, the movement is suffering and we're all now hoping Aureon Energy is extremely successful, so some new blood will then take an interest in this work, because if Aureon makes money, then funding money will chase their success and actually draw some new minds into this paradigm.

[nick c]

Human beings get old and die, but ideas can transit through generations. The EU, Plasma Universe, Thunderbolts, etc, has an extremely large body of work (books, papers, videos, and movies) that has laid down a foundation for the future.

My advice to everyone is to relentlessly pursue whatever you perceive as the truth, and determine its validity through the use of the scientific method.

At some point, I expect the Electric Universe will emerge as the correct path despite the present state of the consensus paradigm
Paradigm shifts can span generations. The Ptolemaic model held sway for many centuries, yet there were minds who sought and found the truth. But when change comes it can also happen fast...ideas are seeds for future discoveries.

Someone once said that the evolution of a new truth, goes through three phases: "1. The theory is not true; 2. The theory is true, but it is unimportant; 3. The theory is true and important – but we knew it all along."

I think that the EU is presently in #1 and about to transition into #2.

[Open Mind]

nick "My advice to everyone is to relentlessly pursue whatever you perceive as the truth, and determine its validity through the use of the scientific method. "

This statement is specifically what people like Eric Weinstein speaks about. He's rising as a sort of hybrid of mainstream advocate, while also simultaneously being very critical of the broken aspect of science, peer review, and myopic change agility retardation, (mostly focused towards string theory).

I think EU, or at least plasma universe needs to have a very public debate with Eric to clean up the misconceptions of what mainstream 'can' accept and 'won't'. He seems pretty good at that. He'd be able to re prioritize what area's of electrical theory 'could' be considered, and what 'can't'. Without a high level conversation with respected members of the mainstream, we can fall for the distraction of debunker digression muddying the waters of those distinctions.

The JRE podcast with him and Terrance Howard has acted as a perfect example of a productive conversation between mainstream and new idea's. The spirit of that conversation needs to 'catch on' with other mainstream scientists, and become popularized, even if its considered a magnanimous gesture from mainstream to attempt to clean up its image with the world, who are increasingly questioning sciences degree of bias and integrity.

It feels like there is an opportunity there. I outline Eric's EU position in short mentions in his last JRE podcast appearance in my latest post in my other post "Terrance Howard seems to know everything EU"..

[jacmac]

EU2024,
I watched the JRE podcast (with Howard and Weinstein) mentioned above, for 40 minutes.
There was not one completed idea that was then discussed. Everything was interrupted and changed to something else.
Please tell me where in the 4 hour video there was discussion of ONE complete thought; that I might wish to watch.
Jack

[Open Mind]

EU2024,
I watched the JRE podcast (with Howard and Weinstein) mentioned above, for 40 minutes.
There was not one completed idea that was then discussed. Everything was interrupted and changed to something else.
Please tell me where in the 4 hour video there was discussion of ONE complete thought; that I might wish to watch.
Jack

Your right. There was no closure on any specific idea's, because what was immediately arrived at, and then carefully and cautiously discussed was the many ways in which Terrance was blindly waiving his flag of ignorance about mainstream science. He's not a great example, BUT, he did illustrate a willingness of some mainstream people like Erik, to make an effort to comprehend someone else's perspective of an idea, and to me, that's the key ingredient necessary for anyone to engage an EU proponent and get to the bottom of where the disconnect might be. The dialogue is missing, and before this hopeful movement towards less myopic obstinance, Howard would have been completely dismissed, but even he's getting Erik's time. I'm more excited about witnessing an actual dialogue between someone like him and say Dr Donald Scott. I pay PPV to watch that.

[Cargo]

I think we have moved past this phase though, the EU spirit has been forged by our history and recorded (for now) in yt video, but the next trial goes beyond what any new conference might do.

[Benjamin H]

I came to the EU table too late to enjoy any of the conferences. I did make friends with Wall before he passed away and I enjoyed many Skype chats with him. Subsequently I have reached out to many other members of the EU and have enjoyed a fantastic amount of interactions, conversations and experiences, such as being the recipient of a considerable amount of CJ Ransom's lab equipment and even my own TBP episode. This all happened because I made it happen. Don't misunderstand, I enjoy being a spectator of the EU just as much as anyone else, but sometimes you just need to get off your ass and make things happen! Some of you know that I just produced and hosted a micro EU Conference yesterday. (September 21, 2024) and, I have plans for a scaled up version next March.

Don't lament the passing of the pillars of the EU. BECOME the next pillar! Wal and Dave didn't stop just because Velikovsky died.

I started small. Just 6 of us. I booked a room in a local theater/event center from 11 - 4. I created a brief itenerary and even brought in some lunch. How did it turn out? We went an HOUR OVER the alloted time. 6 hours of relativly unstructured talking and sharing. Yeah... it was good.

As for my event in March, it is already shaping up to be a lot bigger. I even have 2 presenters already lined up and one of them would be known by everyone reading this. The point is, We / You can make EU conferences happen! Just think of the Amish moving a barn just by sheer manpower. If you want a EU 2024 or 2025, make it happen! I am.

[fulrich]

"Don't lament the passing of the pillars of the EU. BECOME the next pillar! Wal and Dave didn't stop just because Velikovsky died."

Exactly! Yesterday I watched a short talk with Wal Thornhill and David Talbott. Wal was in the same situation long ago, and he said something along the lines of: The pioneers (Velikovsky) have gone, so let's take matters into our own hands.

For my part, I am in the process of providing German-language information on the Electric Universe on my website. I also hope to be able to network better with like-minded people in Switzerland / Germany / Austria.

Don't underestimate the strength that lies within us all!

[Open Mind]

I came to the EU table too late to enjoy any of the conferences. I did make friends with Wall before he passed away and I enjoyed many Skype chats with him. Subsequently I have reached out to many other members of the EU and have enjoyed a fantastic amount of interactions, conversations and experiences, such as being the recipient of a considerable amount of CJ Ransom's lab equipment and even my own TBP episode. This all happened because I made it happen. Don't misunderstand, I enjoy being a spectator of the EU just as much as anyone else, but sometimes you just need to get off your ass and make things happen! Some of you know that I just produced and hosted a micro EU Conference yesterday. (September 21, 2024) and, I have plans for a scaled up version next March.

Don't lament the passing of the pillars of the EU. BECOME the next pillar! Wal and Dave didn't stop just because Velikovsky died.

I started small. Just 6 of us. I booked a room in a local theater/event center from 11 - 4. I created a brief itenerary and even brought in some lunch. How did it turn out? We went an HOUR OVER the alloted time. 6 hours of relativly unstructured talking and sharing. Yeah... it was good.

As for my event in March, it is already shaping up to be a lot bigger. I even have 2 presenters already lined up and one of them would be known by everyone reading this. The point is, We / You can make EU conferences happen! Just think of the Amish moving a barn just by sheer manpower. If you want a EU 2024 or 2025, make it happen! I am.

re: "As for my event in March, it is already shaping up to be a lot bigger." I'm very interested. How will you be alerting us about it? Will you make a post here with dates and details? Let me know a link to a channel or something. I'd subscribe for the alert.

[Benjamin H]

Probably my Instagram or my Facebook. Benjaminhydesparkscience : Instagram ( note this is a brand new account as of Dec 2024) or Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BenHydeSparkScience

I will post updates and info on the upcoming EU mini salon.

[Lloyd]

Ev Cochrane told me he's always interested in learning more about what we can do to vouchsafe our knowledge for future generations.
I said I think removing bias and corruption from science is the way to vouchsafe such knowledge.
There's considerable knowledge available, but a lot of it needs to have errors corrected, which the mainstream doesn't readily allow.
Here are some of the major categories of science I'd like to see corrected and I'd like to participate in it.
1. Authoritarianism & Bias (in Science) vs. Egalitarianism.
2. Allopathic Medicine vs. Science-based Nutrition.
3. Uniformitarianism vs. Periodic Catastrophism.
4. Expanding Gravitational Universe vs. Electric Universe.
5. Relativity vs. Classical Physics.
I think a good plan may be to have collaborators correct major errors in science and donate that knowledge to libraries worldwide and online.
The collaborators should organize. Sociocracy is the best science-based method of organization that I know of.
Offhand, I think the term Progressive Science might be a good term to describe the proposed unbiased, de-corrupted science.

[crawler]

Ev Cochrane told me he's always interested in learning more about what we can do to vouchsafe our knowledge for future generations.
I said I think removing bias and corruption from science is the way to vouchsafe such knowledge.
There's considerable knowledge available, but a lot of it needs to have errors corrected, which the mainstream doesn't readily allow.
Here are some of the major categories of science I'd like to see corrected and I'd like to participate in it.
1. Authoritarianism & Bias (in Science) vs. Egalitarianism.
2. Allopathic Medicine vs. Science-based Nutrition.

I have been carnivore for 12 months. Zero carbs. Zero oils. Zero starch. Zero sugar.
Lottsa meat, lottsa eggs, some cream in my tea (my main sin is some salami & some pepperoni)(& dry wine).

3. Uniformitarianism vs. Periodic Catastrophism.
4. Expanding Gravitational Universe vs. Electric Universe.
5. Relativity vs. Classical Physics.
I think a good plan may be to have collaborators correct major errors in science and donate that knowledge to libraries worldwide and online.
The collaborators should organize. Sociocracy is the best science-based method of organization that I know of.
Offhand, I think the term Progressive Science might be a good term to describe the proposed unbiased, de-corrupted science.