Mars Images & Other Evidence of a Secret Space Program

[Arcmode]

We need to co-operate and NOT troll....

I am the Troll-slayer here friend (darkly enchanted by, yet in complete control of, Ultimate Troll Powers), and you are not co-operating, but doubling down and avoiding my most excellent points, that surely demand satisfaction in an attempt at counter, or at least acknowledgement Stories off the topic of the thread simply will not do.

[Poppa Tom]

Makes you wonder why they don't publish all the great shots possible from space. Yet we see blurry images from space and from the rovers-uncanny isn't it.

80,000 photos available from the HiRISE instrument on the Recconnaisance Orbiter, at a resolution of 1 foot per pixel, or 0.3 Metres. I have viewed hundreds for many, many hours, and I have barely scratched the surface of what it has captured. That is ONE instrument, recording One parameter (photography), on ONE orbiter or probe, on ONE body of the Solar System, among a great number of orbiters and probes around many different bodies running all sorts of instruments for various parameters (whose data can also be accessed to determine the existence or not of previous civilizations along with the HiRISE data).

You are triggered because you are wrong, and I don't mind telling you, because I know I am right, or at least way righter, and science is basically when you get to point that out. Think of it as an opportunity to be right, by making a better case for your model, or simply apologising for wasting our time, and listen. I say this not to insult you, but to encourage actual research that may help us answer the question of civilizations on other planets, without making those efforts into something that makes it harder to answer those questions, as this thread has clearly done.

I, actually love this. How else can I learn? I wish you put a link but I will endeavor to persist

[Poppa Tom]

Dude, I've been laughing at Hoagland since the 90s, and he might even be telling some truth, like you. Have you noticed he is completely irrelevant in any meaningful way to anyone of any influence, standing or qualification? Like his website that looks as if it was designed for dial up connections by a local PC nerd using notepad and paint for ten ecstasy pills and a hundred bucks (Thunderbolts.info style), in December 1999? That's by design.

AKA cornballish, true. However there is truth there and it is apparent when you are irrelevant to 'standings of qualifications' i.e., mainline educational system etc. you are just rubber stamping the status quo and become irrelevant yourself while aligning with them. It is NOT what we....conspiracists do. It seems the more the blah blah blah's minimize the issue the more it will be exposed. The conversations created will, itself create more and more interest regardless of trolling. Which becomes evident then eventually ignored. I, myself get very excited when I get feedback. It is never a waste. I enjoy a good debate. of course name calling is the very act of acquiescence.

[Poppa Tom]

Personally, though, I do love Teds talk about dinosaurs and gravity. I'd love a cleaned up and professionally narrated version of his talk on that subject. Absolutely fascinating and compelling, including the square cubed law, the illustrated scale limit, the impossibility of flight of large birds, the idea about how muscle tissue cross section to strength ratio scales identically all the way up from mosquito to elephant, etc. It also might be another example of one of those 'keep it in the closet for now' kind of idea's, but personally, I thought it was very cool. Thanks for that Ted.

Why would you thank someone for mixing truths with speculative fantasies when it is literally the definition of Black Propaganda (coined by the Soviets)? - Deliberately misleading, confusing, contradictory, and ultimately useless information, designed to appear as if it comes from your enemy to discredit, generally disrupt and ultimately guide them to ruin. *See also: Controlled Opposition.

You should leave links as you belittle people here. You know, try to appear half intelligent as you troll.

[Poppa Tom]

We need to co-operate and NOT troll....

I am the Troll-slayer here friend (darkly enchanted by, yet in complete control of, Ultimate Troll Powers), and you are not co-operating, but doubling down and avoiding my most excellent points, that surely demand satisfaction in an attempt at counter, or at least acknowledgement Stories off the topic of the thread simply will not do.


It appears, troll slaying troll, that you are here expressly to tell us just how very smart you are. And smart you may be but like Sheldon, you have the tendencies of a child and miss some marks, entirely.

I am, done with you before I get suspended off this blog.

[Open Mind]

Dude, I've been laughing at Hoagland since the 90s, and he might even be telling some truth, like you. Have you noticed he is completely irrelevant in any meaningful way to anyone of any influence, standing or qualification? Like his website that looks as if it was designed for dial up connections by a local PC nerd using notepad and paint for ten ecstasy pills and a hundred bucks (Thunderbolts.info style), in December 1999? That's by design.

If by "Hoagland", did you mean Holden? Ted? From what I've gathered, he's mostly about the Ganemede theory and something about a water bridge that dolphins survived the leap from one planet to earth. Its over my head. But his dinosaurs vid was cool. He's just got a hard voice to listen to, hence the vid redo hope for his particular content on that one.

My main point above was just the consideration of a 'tactical' and 'strategic' approach to content with the intention of growing the movement. I don't mean manipulation. My ultimate hope is to raise the movement to a point where mainstream becomes willing to actually engage, and to do that, you need to edit out all the stuff that will trigger them and scare them off - as best you can. To miss this point and self indulgently mix in far less provable idea's is a self defeating action. I just put that out there in the hopes we can soften the idea for a while to make it paletable enough for someone like Eirk Weinstein, just to get access to his audience, and potentially pull in some more open minds.

[allynh]

I've mentioned this before, but I can't remember where I posted it.

Essentially, what you are seeing is the results of over a century of deliberately sending "Science" down the wrong path, to keep us from actually moving forward.

Speaking of Eric Weinstein:

This is the Eric Weinstein interview about parallel tracks.

Eric Weinstein's Harvard Story - The System Breaks Down in Novel Situations | AI Podcast Clips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgGZMRJ15oY

This is the full interview.

Eric Weinstein: Geometric Unity and the Call for New Ideas & Institutions | Lex Fridman Podcast #88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIAZJNe7YtE

For over a century this system has been in place to force us down "dead ends".

BTW, I find it "safer" to talk about this stuff in "fiction" rather than "fact".

IMHO, It will take a billionaire setting up different research institutes to examine every "Fringe" idea before we can get anywhere.

Don't worry about purging ideas that "scare" people, that is where the real results will come from.

No matter how much you try to make EU stuff acceptable it will still terrify people. That is a "Feature, not a "Flaw".

But I digress.