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Topic Anode Tufts, electrode tufting in public papers available?

Unread post by Holger Isenberg » Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:00 pm

While searching for the term Anode Tufts, those are the bubble like glowing half-spheres around the spherical electrode in some runs of the SAFIRE experiment, I was surprise how rarely the term is used in public science. Only got to 1 article within the last 100 years:

Anode tufting, arc faulting and plasma nonuniformity in ion sources, R. Jones, 1983
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1983N ... J/abstract

And before 100 years, I found a description of something looking like anode tufts in this 1898 article by Max Toepler: viewtopic.php?t=1287#p10890

Anyone else aware of other articles / papers?


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Unread post by Holger Isenberg » Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:05 pm

And recently of course the anode tufts visible on the giant red star R Doradus: viewtopic.php?t=1280

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Unread post by jacmac » Thu Oct 03, 2024 9:37 pm

Thanks for those links Holger.
The anode tufts and double layers, which are shown in the Safire work
and in space, seem to be related to conditions on our own sun.
The solar photosphere granulations ,to me, are cousins to the anode tufting shown above.
The chromosphere is clearly a double layer.
Wal Thornhill does not speak about it, as far as I know.
Dr. Scott says the chromosphere is a double layer in his published writing, but I have not seen it mentioned in any video.
I suspect he deferred to Wal on that detail and did not push it.
Seeing the chromosphere as a spherical double layer would get the EU beyond calling
the sun a "discharge"( without further details) and advance the EU solar model. IMO
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Re: Topic Anode Tufts, electrode tufting in public papers available?

Unread post by jacmac » Fri Oct 04, 2024 12:48 am

My post above is incorrect.
Wal Thornhill did say there are double layers above and below the photosphere.
He also said the chromosphere contains a double layer.
I read the Holoscience.com from Nov 9, 2003.
My memory was off.
sorry.

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Unread post by jacmac » Fri Oct 04, 2024 1:23 am

Wal describes the double layers as containing all the energies within the sun,
until it escapes via sun spots, flares and CME's, etc.
He then talks of an electric DISCHARGE without details of the circuit within which it happens.

Where I separate from his EU model is I want to get away from the linear
circuit model and language of anode, cathode, discharge etc.

I would use a CELL model where the drift currents(of Dr. Scott) collect at the sun, and the chromosphere
traps a portion of the photosphere plasma, and turns back a portion of the incoming plasma.
The steady parts of the sun ( the quiet sun photosphere qualities) are set by the physical size of the inner core of the sun
and it's charge holding capacity. The more volatile corona is due to the incoming plasma colliding with the turned back (by the chromosphere Double layer) plasma.
More details are in my posts on the chromosphere as a double layer.

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