Good news, everyone

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light? If you have a personal favorite theory, that is in someway related to the Electric Universe, this is where it can be posted.
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Re: Good news, everyone

Unread post by galaxy12 » Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:44 pm

Purplepete states "OK, just to be clear - this is not my model. This is the model primarily developed by Miles Mathis, which is the best I've found in 50 years of searching for explaining many areas of physics, and the only one I've found that explains elemental properties (SAM is on the right track, but still suffers from the assumption that particles are distinct, so requires magic electrons that can change size et al) consistently and coherently. If I find a better model I'll be pushing that one."

Crawler states "Miles says that in some instances electricity is due to photons (not electrons) mooving along a wire.
This is similar to my elektons which give us my elekticity."

I apologize for being a bit slow. I am starting to see the reason for your comments now. I did not realize that both of you were proponents of Miles Mathis' model. I think you both were trying to get my response to Miles Mathis' ideas. I am not familiar with the model but I will be glad to research it.
I love to see other people's models and, as I have said before, everyone should choose the model that helps them understand things better. A model that helps one person may not be beneficial for another. Maybe we should start another thread with a head-to-head comparison of the models with explanations of different electromagnetic and/or physical phenomena? We can see which one has a simpler and more intuitive explanation for each scenario. It might be a fun endeavor. I can use the exercise to fine-tune my model and explain some parts that may be unclear also.

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Re: Good news, everyone

Unread post by crawler » Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:55 am

galaxy12 wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:44 pm Purplepete states "OK, just to be clear - this is not my model. This is the model primarily developed by Miles Mathis, which is the best I've found in 50 years of searching for explaining many areas of physics, and the only one I've found that explains elemental properties (SAM is on the right track, but still suffers from the assumption that particles are distinct, so requires magic electrons that can change size et al) consistently and coherently. If I find a better model I'll be pushing that one."

Crawler states "Miles says that in some instances electricity is due to photons (not electrons) mooving along a wire.
This is similar to my elektons which give us my elekticity."

I apologize for being a bit slow. I am starting to see the reason for your comments now. I did not realize that both of you were proponents of Miles Mathis' model. I think you both were trying to get my response to Miles Mathis' ideas. I am not familiar with the model but I will be glad to research it.
I love to see other people's models and, as I have said before, everyone should choose the model that helps them understand things better. A model that helps one person may not be beneficial for another. Maybe we should start another thread with a head-to-head comparison of the models with explanations of different electromagnetic and/or physical phenomena? We can see which one has a simpler and more intuitive explanation for each scenario. It might be a fun endeavor. I can use the exercise to fine-tune my model and explain some parts that may be unclear also.
I reckon that Mathis' theory is not a model, it is a reality. Ditto my elekton elekticity.
Searching for electon (my old name) on Thunderbolts gives 12 hits, all for crawler. Searching for elekton gives 5 hits, all for crawler.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/elec ... round!/50/ Searching google for "elekticity & forum" gives 441 hits. The EEV forum has some of my older wordage (i karnt access koz i have been banned).
I like much of Mathis' stuff. Krafft (USA) explained the molecular atom in the 1940s or 50s i think.
STR is krapp -- & GTR is mostly krapp.
The present Einsteinian Dark Age of science will soon end – for the times they are a-changin'.
The aether will return – it never left.

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Re: Good news, everyone

Unread post by galaxy12 » Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:28 am

Purplepete commented "But we already know from hall effect devices that electrons et al are moving too slowly in a wire to explain electricity (which flows at c or close to it)."

Sorry for the delay. I just noticed this statement in your post. This is a great question!

As I mentioned previously in my definition of an electric/electrostatic field: (This may not be the exact terminology I used before but it is close)

An electrostatic field is a region of space parallel to the movement or polar orientation of a charged particle (atom, proton, electron, etc) whereby a parallel force will be exerted on another charged particle within that space.

As you stated, electrons travel slowly in a wire. The electrical/electrostatic field that is RESPONSIBLE for the forces on and therefore movement of electrons travels at the speed of light in a parallel direction to movement of charges.

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Re: Good news, everyone

Unread post by purplepete » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:03 pm

galaxy12 wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:28 am An electrostatic field is a region of space parallel to the movement or polar orientation of a charged particle (atom, proton, electron, etc) whereby a parallel force will be exerted on another charged particle within that space.

As you stated, electrons travel slowly in a wire. The electrical/electrostatic field that is RESPONSIBLE for the forces on and therefore movement of electrons travels at the speed of light in a parallel direction to movement of charges.
Gudday, galaxy12. Whilst Miles's model agrees that the phenomena responsible for the movement of electrons et al is traveling at the speed of light, it has a classical and mechanical cause - i.e. a huge number of ultra-small particles, that nevertheless have non-zero volume/mass/energy, which are then bouncing off and travelling through all the larger particles.

If you have a different model how do you explain the electrical/electrostatic field? What is the CAUSE of the forces on the electron et al?

There is a similar problem with the explanations of most modern Astronomers - they posit that there are magical magnetic fields which are somehow embedded in the "fabric of spacetime", which simply don't work because everything is moving, and they also posit that the "fabric" is stretching, and have no explanation for where the fields came from to begin with. Also these magical magnetic fields have to have very specific properties and locations to explain a wide range of phenomena.

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Re: Good news, everyone

Unread post by galaxy12 » Mon Jun 10, 2024 11:07 pm

In response to purplepete:

I would be glad to compare my model with Miles Mathis' model but I need more information. I did go to Miles Mathis website to research his model but, unfortunately, I could not actually find a model. I did find a list of 400 articles, totaling 7,275 pdf pages or 21,000 book pages. It would take me a lifetime to read that many pages. If you understand how Miles Mathis' model works, please describe it here. If there is a simplified and concise paper with images detailing his model, please post a link. I need the following:

1. Please post images of the particles he uses for his model.
2. Please describe how the particles interact with accompanying images.
3. Please describe and show images how the interaction of the particles creates the magnetic force and electrostatic force.
4. Please describe and show images how the particles create the magnetic field, the electrostatic field and an electromagnetic wave.

I have simplified the basics of my model into 18 pages here:

https://www.techrxiv.org/users/706631/a ... ub-photons

The model is also described on this forum here:

https://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/php ... php?t=1127

My model does use an extremely small, hypothetical particle, labeled as a sub-photon to explain its interactions. If you prefer to avoid hypothetical particles, you can substitute the magnetic lines of force for the hypothetical particle movement to help understand some of the interactions.

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Re: Good news, everyone

Unread post by purplepete » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:47 am

galaxy12 wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 11:07 pm In response to purplepete:

I would be glad to compare my model with Miles Mathis' model but I need more information. I did go to Miles Mathis website to research his model but, unfortunately, I could not actually find a model. I did find a list of 400 articles, totaling 7,275 pdf pages or 21,000 book pages. It would take me a lifetime to read that many pages. If you understand how Miles Mathis' model works, please describe it here. If there is a simplified and concise paper with images detailing his model, please post a link.
I have done my best to give a concise definition of Miles's Model on my website at
https://thehonestscientist.com/miles-mathis/
Related links expanding on the details are also available on the page, including explanations for the properties of the elements, formation of molecules, magnetism, electricity, radioactivity and more.

If you start at my website and work from left-to-right with the headers you can see research from other areas that also effectively support the work of Miles, and how you can then use his model to build the Universe and end up with the same structure we see looking out in probes and telescopes now. His model also fits in neatly with the bulk of the findings of the Electric Universe theories.

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Re: Good news, everyone

Unread post by galaxy12 » Sun Jun 16, 2024 2:50 pm

Purplepete wrote "I have done my best to give a concise definition of Miles's Model on my website at
https://thehonestscientist.com/miles-mathis/
Related links expanding on the details are also available on the page, including explanations for the properties of the elements, formation of molecules, magnetism, electricity, radioactivity and more.

If you start at my website and work from left-to-right with the headers you can see research from other areas that also effectively support the work of Miles, and how you can then use his model to build the Universe and end up with the same structure we see looking out in probes and telescopes now. His model also fits in neatly with the bulk of the findings of the Electric Universe theories."

My response:

When I started developing my model many years ago, I wanted to develop a simplified, concise, intuitive and visual way to be able to teach electromagnetic waves, electricity, electrostatics, magnetism, etc to others with minimal mental effort. I also wanted my model to be so accurate and complimentary to the current theories that it may have a predictive ability for future discoveries. When I compare my model to your "summary" of Miles mathis model on your website, I see a lot of similarities and differences. I think our models simply have different goals. Using my model, I can visualize current flowing through a wire, an inductor developing a field, or a capacitor charging and predict what will occur. I can use my model to predict the polarization directions of electromagnetic waves that are produced by an antenna. I can also show why electromagnetic interactions in the near field occur faster than the speed of light, while electromagnetic waves traveling through space are limited to light speed. I use my model to visualize plasma interactions in space and understand why they interact the way they do and how electrical current is generated in moving plasma. I think it is great that you were able to make a summary of Miles Mathis key concepts and put them on your website. If Miles Mathis was unable to write a concise and simplified theory on his own and instead posts a massive collection of 20,000 pages on his website instead, this shows that we have extremely different goals.

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Re: Good news, everyone

Unread post by Poppa Tom » Tue Jun 25, 2024 7:09 pm

Pfffffft....immature HA! :shock: :lol:

Hopefuuly a joke will be recognized by our more mature readers.
for the rest....nanananananaaaah! :lol:

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