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[b]Cloudy with a chance of... Space Hurricanes[/b]

'New research has unveiled the awesome power of newly-discovered "space hurricanes."'

[url]https://www.newsweek.com/space-weather-hurricane-north-pole-physics-2107531[/url]

'In the case of the August 2014 polar cap aurora phenomenon, satellites observed an auroral spot over 620 miles in diameter, which appeared to look like a cyclone, including multiple spiral arms moving in an anti-clockwise rotation.'

'Chinese researchers have found that these space hurricanes usually form near magnetic poles in summertime...'

'These hurricanes have the power to inject energy into the polar ionosphere, and the new study investigated the impact of this energy injection by analyzing the 2014 phenomenon.'

The paper can be found here: [url]https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2025SW004435[/url]

I have previously pointed out elsewhere, that similar structures can be found at the Sun's poles.

Ball lightning?

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=2858390760998428

Wow, this thread goes into different territories for the Electric Earth. But regarding the Sun/Earth connection and terrestrial lightning, here are a couple of Space News. Of course Wal Thornhill does not neglect to point out the lightning on the other planets--esp. Venus--and the way it gets even more powerful as you go further from the Sun to the gas giants. This is just not what you would expect from the abysmal Nebular Hypothesis and the clockwork solar system. Lightning is everywhere in the Solar System and spacecraft have even been zapped by asteroids and comets. The agencies just brush themselves off and proceed as if it never happened.

[b]A Shocker: Solar Wind Provokes Lightning on Earth | Space News[/b]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67wOTlKmeoA
The Thunderbolts Project
229K subscribers
May 30, 2014
Scientists in the United Kingdom have reported findings that could change our understanding of lightning. Researchers have discovered a link between charged particles on the Sun and increased lightning on Earth. Wal Thornhill explains why this is not a surprise to the Electric Universe community.

[b]Gigantic Lightning Above the Electric Earth | Space News[/b]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NenomdAZ11M
Mar 4, 2013
In August 2001 a high-altitude balloon was sent aloft to ride far above the great storms of the mid-west USA. Researchers had sent the balloon, like a Dark Rider out of Tolkien, riding into the moonless night, seeking sprites, gnomes and the ring of the elves.

Link to Thornhill article discussed in this video: https://www.holoscience.com/wp/the-balloon-goes-up-over-lightning/

[quote="nick c" post_id=11587 time=1742693334 user_id=62]
What powers lightning on Earth? It has been noted that clouds in Earth's atmosphere cannot generate enough electricity to cause observed lightning bolts
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A proton flux impact event deposits significant positive charge in Earth's magnetosphere and atmosphere.

I think when protons, AKA Hydrogen nuclei, enter the Earth's magnetosphere and atmosphere, not only do they bring positive charge, they gather electrons and react with O2 and become H2O.

http://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=1371#p11470

[quote=Maol post_id=11470 time=1740512492 user_id=7143]
Do you think this proton flux impact map could be related to this lightning strike map
[img]https://www.spaceweather.com/images2025/25feb25/pca.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.imgflip.com/9lh4wz.jpg[/img]

Description of the CME and proton storm in this Space Weather link.
https://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=25&month=02&year=2025

Interactive Lightning Strike Map here
https://www.lightningmaps.org/#
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What powers lightning on Earth? It has been noted that clouds in Earth's atmosphere cannot generate enough electricity to cause observed lightning bolts
[quote]Every second, almost 50 bolts of lightning zig-zag across the skies of Earth. Despite centuries of study, however, researchers still aren't sure how the bolts get started. Electric fields in thunderclouds are often too weak to ignite a powerful discharge.[/quote]
This article from Spaceweather attributes lightning to cosmic rays. Others have found correlations between the frequency of thunderstorms and solar activity.

https://spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=20&month=03&year=2025

https://acp.copernicus.org/articles/24/9119/2024/index.html


[quote="Wal Thornhill"]The conventional ‘isolated Earth’ view is that positive and negative charge is ‘somehow’ separated by vertical winds in clouds and that this process in thunderstorms is responsible for charging up the ionosphere and causing the atmospheric electric field. But this begs the question of cause and effect. Recent high-altitude balloon flights find that charge is not built up in the cloud, it already exists in the ionosphere above. In January 2002 I argued the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE® model:

“Thunderstorms are not electricity generators, they are passive elements in an interplanetary circuit, like a self-repairing leaky condenser. The energy stored in the cloud ‘condenser’ is released as lightning when it short-circuits. The short-circuits can occur either within the cloud or across the external resistive paths to Earth or the ionosphere. The charge across the cloud ‘condenser’ gives rise to violent vertical electrical winds within the cloud, not vice versa.”[/quote]


https://www.holoscience.com/wp/electric-weather/

It would be nice if this scientific allusion would leave peoples brains
and get with what makes sense.People are still using centuries old
math that makes no sense.The people that came up with these
goofy ideas were very superstitious and didn't have a decent pot
or running water.
Sure everything is electrical, that's the balance of all things.
Every thing floating around, flying around, and all the groupies
doing their thing, all of them have a magnetic bubble around
themselves called Magnetic-spheres.These spheres are what holds
the gases down and whatever else is standing, sitting,lying down
people should get the idea.
All of these gigantic marbles floating around are gigantic round
ELECTRO MAGNETS orbiting around a humungous magnetic star.
The word gravity should be changed to electro-magnetic systems.
These masses are beyond comprehension and still nobody gets it.
If people would play with magnets they would know this.Small magnets
large magnets.But you have to think on an gigantic planet sized scale.
They are all pushing against each other, thats where the Larange
point comes into effect.

Gravity, has already been demystified by EU and is not a Force or Element. The only epic shift we need is for that to be understood.

When protons, AKA Hydrogen nuclei, enter the Earth's atmosphere, wouldn't they react with O2 and become H2O?

[quote=Lloyd post_id=11502 time=1741063860 user_id=184]
Is there a date for the first map?[/quote] Lower left corner.
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If the dates are the same, then I just see a lighter blue circular area on the top map that is about where the lightning strikes are on the bottom one.

Copilot says:

Yes, there is a connection between proton flux impacts and lightning strikes on Earth. High-energy particles, such as protons from solar activity, can influence Earth's atmosphere and potentially play a role in triggering lightning. Here's how:

Cosmic Ray and Solar Proton Effects: When high-energy protons from solar flares or cosmic rays enter Earth's atmosphere, they can ionize air molecules. This ionization increases the conductivity of the atmosphere, which can enhance the conditions for lightning formation.

Electromagnetic Waves and Lightning: Lightning itself generates electromagnetic waves that can interact with charged particles in Earth's magnetosphere. These interactions can disturb the Van Allen radiation belts, causing energetic particles to precipitate into the atmosphere. This creates a feedback loop between space weather and terrestrial weather.

While the exact mechanisms are still being studied, the interplay between space weather (like proton flux) and Earth's weather systems highlights the interconnectedness of our planet and its cosmic environment2.

1. https://theconversation.com/lightning-strikes-link-weather-on-earth-and-weather-in-space-243772
2. https://www.downtoearth.org.in/science-technology/lightning-strikes-link-weather-on-earth-and-weather-in-space
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New member, VM Blast, has a thread called Plasma Pressure Theory (PPT): A potential Paradigm Shift in Gravity, at https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=11501#p11501

I'm hoping he or anyone succeeds at showing a relationship between plasma or electric fields and gravity. I think it may then explain how large dinosaurs could have lived before the Great Flood. I recently found via AI that Earth's polar electric field supposedly required over a millionfold increase in strength in order to account for visible plasma apparitions that Anthony Peratt said ancient rock art indicates used to be present in the polar sky. It also said a flaring Red Dwarf star could supply such an increase in the electric field. So we're closing in on the truth. Eh?

Is there a date for the first map? If the dates are the same, then I just see a lighter blue circular area on the top map that is about where the lightning strikes are on the bottom one.

Copilot says:

Yes, there is a connection between proton flux impacts and lightning strikes on Earth. High-energy particles, such as protons from solar activity, can influence Earth's atmosphere and potentially play a role in triggering lightning. Here's how:

Cosmic Ray and Solar Proton Effects: When high-energy protons from solar flares or cosmic rays enter Earth's atmosphere, they can ionize air molecules. This ionization increases the conductivity of the atmosphere, which can enhance the conditions for lightning formation.

Electromagnetic Waves and Lightning: Lightning itself generates electromagnetic waves that can interact with charged particles in Earth's magnetosphere. These interactions can disturb the Van Allen radiation belts, causing energetic particles to precipitate into the atmosphere. This creates a feedback loop between space weather and terrestrial weather.

While the exact mechanisms are still being studied, the interplay between space weather (like proton flux) and Earth's weather systems highlights the interconnectedness of our planet and its cosmic environment2.

1. https://theconversation.com/lightning-strikes-link-weather-on-earth-and-weather-in-space-243772
2. https://www.downtoearth.org.in/science-technology/lightning-strikes-link-weather-on-earth-and-weather-in-space

Do you think this proton flux impact map could be related to this lightning strike map
[img]https://www.spaceweather.com/images2025/25feb25/pca.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.imgflip.com/9lh4wz.jpg[/img]

Description of the CME and proton storm in this Space Weather link.
https://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=25&month=02&year=2025

Interactive Lightning Strike Map here
https://www.lightningmaps.org/#

The machine AI web crawler spirit has much to learn. But it is good at digging. Electricity (and the effect) is Infinite in the Universe, depending on your capacity and resistance.

I added more info about the ionosphere at https://electricastrophysics.substack.com/p/ionosphere and included a reference at the end to Dave Smith's paper on the space shuttle Columbia disaster, which may have been caused by megalightning in the ionosphere.

[color=#FF0000]IONOSPHERE DENSITIES & ELECTRIC CURRENTS[/color]

I had thought that the ionosphere has a net positive charge, but Perplexity.AI says otherwise, though it does mention electric currents.

Here's a simple table showing the approximate densities for each layer of the ionosphere:
Layer -- Height (km) -- Negative Density (cm⁻³) -- Positive Density (cm⁻³) -- Neutral Density (cm⁻³)
D ------------- 48-90 --------------- 10² - 10⁴ ------------- 10² - 10⁴ ----------------- 10¹³ - 10¹⁵
E ------------- 90-150 -------------- 10⁵ ------------------- 10⁵ ----------------------- 10¹¹ - 10¹³
F1 ----------- 150-220 ------------- 10⁵ - 10⁶ ------------- 10⁵ - 10⁶ ----------------- 10⁹ - 10¹¹
F2 ----------- 220-500+ ------------ 10⁶ ------------------- 10⁶ ----------------------- 10⁷ - 10⁹
Note: These values are approximate and can vary significantly based on time of day, season, solar activity, and latitude. The negative density primarily refers to electrons, while the positive density refers to ions. The neutral density decreases with altitude, while ionization generally increases.

None of the [color=#0000FF]ionospheric layers[/color] have a predominantly positive or negative charge. The ionosphere maintains quasi-neutrality throughout its layers, meaning the number of positively charged ions is approximately equal to the number of negatively charged electrons1. This balance of charges is a fundamental characteristic of ionospheric plasma.
1. https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/1-4020-4520-4_194

[color=#0000FF]The electrons[/color] (from the solar wind) that cause auroras do not reach the ground. Instead, they collide with atoms and molecules in Earth's upper atmosphere, typically at an altitude of about 60-200 miles (100-320 kilometers) above the Earth's surface1,3. When these high-energy electrons interact with oxygen and nitrogen atoms in the ionosphere, they transfer their energy, causing the atoms to become excited4. As these excited atoms return to their normal state, they emit photons, creating the colorful light displays we see as auroras4.
After the collisions, the electrons lose most of their energy. Some of the lower-energy secondary electrons that result from these collisions may:
_Continue to interact with other atmospheric particles, causing further excitation and light emission.
_Be scattered in various directions, including back up towards space1.
_Gradually lose more energy through subsequent collisions and eventually become part of the ionosphere.
The electrons do not penetrate further down into the lower atmosphere or reach the Earth's surface due to the increasing density of the atmosphere at lower altitudes, which effectively stops their downward motion3.
1. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151007185043.htm
2. https://www.energy.gov/science/fes/articles/source-aurora-borealis-electrons-surfing-alfven-waves
3. https://phys.org/news/2018-02-scientists-electron-dynamics-northern.html
4. https://www.space.com/aurora-origin-mystery-solved-by-electrons

[color=#0000FF]The electrons[/color] from the solar wind that enter Earth's upper atmosphere do not directly push other electrons out of the atmosphere. Instead, the process is more complex and involves several mechanisms:
Trapping and redirection: Earth's magnetic field captures many of the incoming solar wind electrons, trapping them in the magnetosphere and redirecting them towards the polar regions1.
Energy transfer: When these high-energy electrons collide with atoms and molecules in the upper atmosphere (typically at altitudes of 100-320 km), they transfer their energy, causing excitation of atmospheric particles4.
Atmospheric interactions: After colliding with atmospheric particles, the electrons lose most of their energy. Some may:
Continue interacting with other atmospheric particles
Be scattered in various directions, including back towards space
Gradually lose more energy and become part of the ionosphere4
Ionospheric dynamics: The ionosphere, where these interactions occur, is a dynamic region. While some electrons may escape back to space, others are continuously being produced through ionization processes2.
Electric fields and currents: The interaction between solar wind and Earth's magnetic field creates electric fields and currents in the ionosphere, which can influence the movement of charged particles2,3.
1. https://geo.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Oceanography/Oceanography_101_(Miracosta)/03:_Structure_of_the_Earth/3.03:_The_Solar_Wind_Impacts_the_Upper_Atmosphere
2. https://www.nasa.gov/missions/icon/strong-winds-power-electric-fields-in-the-upper-atmosphere-nasas-icon-finds/
3. https://www.swsc-journal.org/articles/swsc/full_html/2013/01/swsc120043/swsc120043.html
4. https://mountwashington.org/the-science-of-auroras/

[color=#0000FF]Electric currents[/color] in the ionosphere can indeed discharge to satellites and other objects in space. This phenomenon is part of a complex system of space weather effects that can impact technology both in orbit and on Earth's surface.
The interaction between solar wind and Earth's magnetic field creates electric fields and currents in the ionosphere, which can lead to several effects:
Satellite charging: Satellites can accumulate electrical charge from the ionospheric plasma, potentially leading to electrostatic discharges4. These discharges can cause phantom commands, damage to electronics, loss of control, and even satellite failure2.
Internal charging: Highly energetic electrons (>2 MeV) can penetrate satellite components, causing internal charging and possible electric discharges. This can result in malfunctions or complete failure of satellites2.
[color=#0000FF]Magnetosphere-ionosphere "lightning"[/color]: Large-scale energy transfers between the magnetosphere and ionosphere can occur, lasting for hours and transferring hundreds to thousands of times more energy than terrestrial lightning5. This process is enhanced during solar storms and can affect satellites and other space-based technologies.
GPS and communication disruptions: The ionospheric currents and associated plasma disturbances can interfere with radio signals passing through the ionosphere, potentially disrupting GPS navigation and satellite communications3.
Ground-based infrastructure impacts: Strong ionospheric currents can induce currents in long conductors on Earth's surface, such as power lines and pipelines, potentially causing power system outages or pipeline corrosion2.
These effects highlight the importance of understanding and predicting ionospheric dynamics to protect our technological infrastructure both in space and on the ground3,5.
1. https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/ionosphere
2. https://www.spaceweather.gc.ca/tech/index-en.php
3. https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/02/science/ionosphere-xs-cs-atmospheric-disturbances-gold-mission/index.html
4. https://www.nasa.gov/missions/icon/strong-winds-power-electric-fields-in-the-upper-atmosphere-nasas-icon-finds/
5. https://www.nasa.gov/solar-system/revolutions-in-understanding-the-ionosphere-earths-interface-to-space/