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• Michael Armstrong: The ‘Culture Shock’ of Planetary Catastrophe | EU2015 talk
  sschirott May 11, 2016
  https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2016/0 ... 2015-talk/
  
  "The two most prominent themes in Electric Universe research are the growing knowledge of the role played by the electric force in nature, from microcosm to macrocosm and the global impact of ancient planetary catastrophe on humankind, affecting every culture on earth. In this presentation, Michael Armstrong will review the broad spectrum of human and cultural effects that followed from solar system instability and episodic catastrophe. These effects include earth’s environment and ecology, physical changes in human biology, striking shifts in collective, cultural orientation, and a profound impact on human thought and behavior.
  
  Michael Armstrong is an original member of the thunderbolts.info editorial staff and has a formal science background in chemistry. He has studied the catastrophism reconstruction model for over 40 years and has lectured on catastrophism material at an international conference sponsored by the province of Milano, Italy and hosted by the University of Milano/Bergamo. Michael is the producer of various related video material and publisher of the books Thunderbolts of the Gods, The Electric Sky, and The Electric Universe."

• 1. This topic was in the news recently because of a story of human remains which were found in Guatemala. A comment by an expert on the subject "went viral" for fairly obvious reasons:
  • CBS News quotes archaeologist saying ancient child sacrifice wasn’t about violence
    ’It’s not that they were violent,’ an archaeologist said about child-sacrificing pre-Christian cultures of Guatemala. 'It was their way of connecting with the celestial bodies.'
  I suppose this subject will cause ears to cock for a while.

• 2.The article on human sacrifice is actually fairly even-handed and does suggest the practice was rare in many regions, or that there is a paucity of actual evidence. For example, the Celts, a very broad Greek slang word for diverse people and languages across a vast region, has no less a historical persona than Julius Caesar to confirm that Celts were ritual takers of human life. The author seems cautious about this. In my view, the actual evidence in caves of human and horse bones sometimes has the sense of archaeologists following the Greek and Roman writers, rather than an actual discovery of ceremonial manstealing and murder. I think the article reflects a circumspection that leaves the questions of past cultures more open. Did Julius Caesar have a vested interest in making his military conquests more acceptable by painting the Barbarians a certain way? Did subsequent archaeologists follow the lead of Greek and Roman authorities, confirming the known writers, so revered during the Enlightenment period? These are questions for another time -- I know we will not come to an actual agreement and I accept the prevailing opinion is different to my own.
  
  I hope that this excellent resource linked by nick c can always provide a grounds for both common interest and for caution on this subject.

Brigit wrote:inre: a.i. results

Yet their cultures and practices are as different as those of the Navajo/Dine are from the Aztecs and Toltecs.

Gaasyendietha:
This Seneca sea serpent is described as a fire-breathing, flying, and swimming creature.
Uktena:
A horned serpent in Cherokee mythology, the Uktena is often portrayed as a powerful, fearsome being that Cherokee heroes must battle.
Piasa Bird:
This Illini dragon is depicted in murals painted by Native Americans on bluffs above the Mississippi River.
Thunderbird:
While not a dragon, the Thunderbird, a giant, colorful bird, is a common and powerful figure in many Native American cultures and can be seen as a mythical equivalent to a dragon.
Quetzalcoatl:
While an Aztec god, not specifically a dragon, Quetzalcoatl, the feathered serpent, is a powerful figure associated with wind, air, and learning, and can be seen as a similar mythical entity.

• "When I read Brasseur’s books on the ancient history of Mexico...[h]e reported that cataclysmic events had been found in Mexican lore, events also described by several Spanish historians of the sixteenth century. These were events of great violence.
  
  Mountains rose and moved; many volcanoes erupted from the North-Pacific Coast of North America all the way to Tierra del Fuego at the southern tip of South America. The ocean rose like a wall and moved, accompanied by terrific winds.
  
  Fiery bodies were seen fighting in the sky. Stones descended from above, followed by rains of naphtha. Men were maddened by the din and the paramount danger. Houses collapsed and were carried away, hurricanes tore out great trees of whole forests with their roots. If such a great catastrophe occurred today, what impression would it leave in the survivors?"

• "Although I still have to study Boulanger’s work carefully, his findings surprise me greatly. I realized that he was the precursor of Freud, and in many respects of myself. I do not know what led Boulanger to his discovery. He writes mostly of the Deluge, but not only does he realize that there were catastrophes, he draws some conclusions about the mental effects they caused.
  
  The recognition of past cataclysms opens new vistas in all fields of inquiry, even in morals and ethics. I wish to draw your attention to a book by Pitirim Sorokin9 in which he discussed calamities like world wars and famine. He discovered that two reactions occur. One reaction is to help (a humanitarian reaction), and the other reaction is to harm (a destructive reaction); he saw evidence for this in the excesses of the Russian Revolution. Sorokin’s idea of dichotomy is illustrated on the one hand by the way the escapees from Egypt interpreted the noises caused by the folding and twisting of strata, noises of the screeching Earth described also by Hesiod — the Israelites heard in them a voice giving ethical commands.
  
  Elsewhere on the tortured Earth, other races responded differently: compare Olympus to Sinai. The Homeric scandals on Olympus occurred at the time of the cataclysms; this was the other reaction. Another example comes from Heraclitus10, who compared the different descriptions of the Pantheon by Plato and by Homer.
  
  We see then, past and present, both reactions to calamity."
  (Emphasis added.)

• "What will the JWST tell us about the origins of life, newborn planets, and subsequent formation of planetary systems?
  
  The L-Type Brown Dwarf is a class of faint star bridging the gap between stars and Jupiter-sized planets, and the most numerous stellar object in the galaxy. Life may be possible inside the glow of a brown dwarf—far more likely than on a planet orbiting outside a star—since the radiant energy arriving on a planet orbiting inside a glowing sphere is evenly distributed over its entire surface.
  
  Wal Thornhill, Thunderbolts Chief Science Advisor, demonstrates why an important science goal for the infrared JWST is an examination of brown dwarfs to verify they are gas-giant sized bodies enclosed in a huge red anode glow. For perspective—if Jupiter’s present invisible plasma sheath were lit up it would appear in the sky the same size of the Sun. Brown Dwarfs are simply small Red Giants."

• "It may well be that Jupiter and Saturn were at one time minor stars" and that "their satellites were formed as a result of minor or planetary nova outbursts."