A ball of gas?

[kc0itf]

http://www.physorg.com/news177164239.html

Do you see a ball of gas????

Wish these people would learn some proper scientific terminology!!!

[mharratsc]

Quote Me from PhysOrg article:

This article misses the physics relevant to the observations.
At those temperatures, that 'gas' is ionized- a plasma. It is obeying Maxwell's Laws, not thermodynamic ones.
It also explains the patently obvious cellular structure appearance- hence why the 1st state of matter was dubbed 'plasma' to begin with- it very strongly resembles blood plasma.
I can state with some conviction, that I do not see a single 'bubble' in any of those graphics...

BTW- if those are magnetic fields surrounding plasma, where do they suppose the electric currents are flowing? They MUST be there after all- unless Maxwell's Laws have been repealed?

I smell a paradigm shift in the wind...

Mike H.

Heh heh heh...


Mike H.

[jjohnson]

"Bubbles" in a plasma environment like a star. O-o-kay...

The theory of the boiling hot sun. Miles would have fun with this type of propaganda, too. I think that astronomers must have a "Don't look and don't tell" policy.

Way to go on the reply, Mike. Tell 'em to get a copy of Dr. Donald Scott's (PhD, IEEE, award-winning educator) book for an introduction to how practical people, not mathematical cosmological theorists, think things work.

I'm saying it again - we need some values on the current density incident on the Sun, based on observations by measurement platforms in space (drift currents, accelerated currents, counterflow electrons to the solar 'wind') to yield a value for the incident current value, from which there should be calculations of where the energy comes from to heat the local photospheric plasma up to arc mode and generate the net radiant emmission - which has been measured and seems widely accepted. Don Scott notes that we do not know the voltage differential from the heliosheath collecting surface down to the solar 'surface', so a simple calculation (estimate) simply can't replace real electron flow measurements at a known distance from the sun, like around Earth, say.

I read that the solar 'wind' consists of both electrons and ions, mostly hydrogen ions, but other elements too, all going in the same (radially outward) direction. Why does this pressure not prevent inward electron drift from occurring? The EU idea is that we have a galactic current supplying the sun, but how does that current flow not get swept up in the accelerating outflow from the Sun? Is the solar 'wind' not radial everywhere (like maybe not so much at the polar regions of the Sun?) and that's where the driving current enters? Does the heliosheath collect current evenly all over its surface without regard to solar orientation, or is more collected over one pole - the 'entry' pole for lack of a better term - and the large voltage potential can accelerate a lot of electrons onto the sun in that fashion or geometry? Let's make up a better filled-in picture of the geometry and the circuitry of this. The arcing all over the surface may not be from a huge infall of current all over that surface - it may instead be excited by the sub-surface electron flows in the Sun building up large voltages which then are released as lightning and radiating Birkelend "ropes" all over the surface, at tufts and around spots and everywhere else the surface is seen in glow mode. No doubt to me that it's all complex and chaotic and, as usual, obeys the laws governing particle motion in fields and energy transport and release perfectly! We just have to plausibly demonstrate how.