EM Black Hole, No Gravity Required.

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EM Black Hole, No Gravity Required.

Post by earls » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:24 am

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17980

'"The wave will not come out from the black hole." In their device, the core converts the absorbed light into heat.'

Wait... Absorbed light into heat? So the light won't come out, but the light comes out? ... :D Wow, it does replicate the cosmological black hole to the T! I guess by heat they mean infrared?

Regardless, I'm curious what the surface of their meta-material looks like.

How long until someone says "Hey! This does such a great job at replicating black holes, maybe black holes are like this instead of endless gravity wells!" sigh. :)

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Re: EM Black Hole, No Gravity Required.

Post by Farsight » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:52 am

Here you go then Earls: gravity is there because of a permittivity gradient. Straight up, I'm not kidding you about this.

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Re: EM Black Hole, No Gravity Required.

Post by earls » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:08 am

I'm not sure what you're saying.

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Re: EM Black Hole, No Gravity Required.

Post by jjohnson » Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:04 am

The idea of concentric shells to focus X-ray 'light' is the basis of Chandra and similar observatories, only they use shaped, polished surfaces rather than the 'cloaking' configuration on the surfaces to bring the desired range of EM wavelengths to the focus. A Fresnel lens is a similar cousin, condensing the curved surfaces of a conventional thick lens form into a thin set of concentric rings. The point of any focusing system is to get the 'light' to go precisely where you want it (whether that is to form an image or to hide an image)
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The problem is that any system which is bandwidth limited (i.e., all real systems) cannot focus all frequencies the same, and in fact likely will not 'see' (respond to) a large range of frequencies, usually those below the low cutoff frequency of the device. Hence, you do not get perfect focusing, and thereby lose or waste some of the incident radiation's energy. Second, the absorption part, only theoretical constructs (viz. blackbodies and black holes) can absorb all and not re-emit any of the incident radiant energy. This is why physicists devised the gray body concept, whereby the emissivity of a body is greater than zero - it is a multiplier or index which ranges from 0 to 1, whereby the blackbody's temperature spectrum calculation can be modified to account for radiant losses.

Real absorbers can be made to be very efficient, especially those which use resonant frequency absorption (see articles on how plants' chlorophyll systems trap incoming energy at preferred wavelengths, and use it almost immediately supply energy to their needed chemical reactions). But at some point something which absorbs particularly well in one region will not be so efficient at others. A large antenna farm with spindly, spiky antennas "tuned" to the frequency of incoming microwave radiation can absorb almost all that energy and channel it into waveguides or cables for subsequent processing and use, while you could stand anywhere under those same antennas and be brightly lit by the accompanying optical portion of the incident EM spectrum. If you are going to absorb incoming radio energy for conversion to heat or electricity, the receiver needs to be scaled relative to the wavelength of that radiation. Why do you think Arecibo and Jodrell Bank and the VLA and VLBA are so large compared to say, Hubble's optical/IR mirror or even the Keck telescopes? It's all about wavelength and collection efficiency in this business. Size matters, but knowing what you're doing with it matters more. Ask anyone.

The experimental device is clever, but it is neither a blackbody nor a black hole, which are 'black' for different but still theoretical reasons. If it can convert a broader or more energetic part of the solar spectrum into energy usable by us down here on the ground under a largely opaque atmosphere, i.e., collect with less loss and greater conversion efficiency, then it is of great interest. If it can't, and is only usable in a narrowband spectrum, it is only a toy and a curiosity. The technology surrounding optical applications and control through meta-materials is certainly interesting and growing, however. Whether it can improve solar collection efficiency and reduce collector losses remains to be demonstrated.

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Re: EM Black Hole, No Gravity Required.

Post by Farsight » Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:40 am

earls wrote:I'm not sure what you're saying.
It's horribly simple, Earls. Vacuum impedance is Z0 = √(μ00) where ε0 is your permittivity. Think about an electromagnetic wave:

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The electromagnetic field follows a sinusoidal pattern. Start at zero and it rises to a positive maximum, then goes to a negative minimum, then back to zero. An electric field can't vary unless you've got some sort of current. Here's a diagram of alternating current:

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Now look at electrical impedance. The photon is a quantum of alternating current. And c = √(1/ε0μ0). Gravitational time dilation isn't "time running slower", because we use the motion of light to calibrate our clocks. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second and note where it says:

Since 1967, the second has been defined to be the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom.

If the light's going slower, your second is bigger. Hence gravitational time dilation. A gradient in c . And since permittivity and permeability are intimately related just like all things electric and magnetic, you can't have a gradient in c without a gradient in ε0.

I told you I wasn't kidding. Sounds like an electric universe to me, but maybe not as you guys know it, sorry if I'm barging in here. I'm the relativity+ guy. Check out the Institute of Physics PhysicsWorld website at http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/40665 and look at the bottom right of the page. You might have to try a few pages because it jumps about. It isn't all my own work. I've joined a few dots here and there, but it's mostly a synthesis.

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