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Electric Solar Model

Post by old timer » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:22 am

Stars appear to form and exist along cosmic filaments interpreted to be Birkeland currents. Regarding our sun, have Birkeland currents been detected? Has any energy inflow to our sun been detected? If not, why not?

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Re: Electric Solar Model

Post by jacmac » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:12 am

Excellent question. Speaking as an EU believer, it is THE question.

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Re: Electric Solar Model

Post by Zyxzevn » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:28 am

old timer wrote:Stars appear to form and exist along cosmic filaments interpreted to be Birkeland currents. Regarding our sun, have Birkeland currents been detected? Has any energy inflow to our sun been detected? If not, why not?
Yes, they have been detected.
The NASA misidentifies them as ""magnetic flux currents", which is due to their misunderstanding
of basic magnetism. They believe that magnetic fields have physical field-lines.

So, yes, we can measure birkeland-currents between the sun and the planets.
You may like my post on the sun and magnetic reconnection or Mozina's post Magnetic reconnection.

The sun creates enormous currents through space, just like a plasma ball that you can buy in the shop.
That is besides the constant solar wind.
These currents can reach towards earth, and even though the current may seem weak,
the distance between the sun and the earth does not matter so much. Like your electric power
at home does not degrade much with the distance to the electric generator many miles away.
More ** from zyxzevn at: Paradigm change and C@

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Re: Electric Solar Model

Post by Michael Mozina » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:07 pm

old timer wrote:Stars appear to form and exist along cosmic filaments interpreted to be Birkeland currents. Regarding our sun, have Birkeland currents been detected? Has any energy inflow to our sun been detected? If not, why not?
FYI, there are at least three primary "electric solar models" to choose from, with variations on each theme, only one of which technically requires a large "inflow" of electrical current. Keep in mind that the term "current" applies to both moving ions and moving electrons.

https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/s ... dec_themis
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/mathematical-phys ... netic-rope

The current transfer from the sun to the planets is typically along "magnetic ropes", or "magnetic flux tubes" by the way, at least that's the lingo that NASA uses. Magnetic ropes are current carrying "Bennett Pinches" in plasma according to Hannes Alfven, and they allow for two way current transfer to occur over vast distances.

The term "strahl" is also a very important term with respect to solar physics. That is another way that real electrical current transfers are taking place.

http://www.srl.caltech.edu/ACE/ACENews/ACENews56.html

Birkeland's model and Alfven's solar model would likely predict an electrical "interaction" (inbound electron flow exchange) with the rest of the circuitry of the galaxy to occur mostly at the poles. Alfven's model is actually a "homopolar generator" model and like Birkeland's cathode solar model, Alfven's electric sun model is mostly internally powered. They wouldn't require much external current to flow into or through the sun.

Juergen's anode solar model was/is based upon the concept that at least some of the energy release from the sun comes from it's interaction with the external circuity of the universe, but the fusion processes near the surface would produce local energy releases too. Jeurgen's model is probably the most "flexible" model in the sense that it can be modified to fit about any internal/external power configuration process that we might observe/desire, and any neutrino output that one might require.

Internally powered electric sun models on the other hand would necessarily predict the same exact number of neutrinos as the standard solar model, and they wouldn't require much in the way of inbound electron flow near the poles. Jeurgen's model would tend to allow you to predict almost any neutrino output which was handy during the 'missing neutrino" days, but not much of an advantage anymore.

IMO, since the "strahl" is mostly outbound, that particular observation of high speed electrons streaming away from the sun most strongly favors Birkeland's cathode solar model rather than an anode electric sun model. I would however be curious how anode solar model proponents would explain that particular observation.

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sune ... trahl.html
https://phys.org/news/2013-11-electron- ... e-sun.html

The sun is definitely electrically interacting with the heliosphere, mostly through the solar "strahl". As you can see, sometimes NASA does actually use the term 'electron beam", whereas Birkeland used the term "cathode ray".

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Re: Electric Solar Model

Post by Solar » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:09 pm

In this case,the LIC cloud column density towards the star Sirius led to the conclusion that the Sun has entered the LIC cloud within the last 2,000-8,000 years, and that the Sun is about ~0.1 pc from the surface in the downwind direction (Frisch, 1994) When the upper limits of the Ca II column density towards Aql (Vallergra et al., 1993) and the LIC Fe II column density towards Cen (Lallement et al., 1995) are included, then we are forced to conclude that the Sun is located in a filament of difuse interstellar gas with a total thickness <0.7 pc. This filament is illustrated in Figure 4.- LISM STRUCTURE-FRAGMENTED SUPERBUBBLE SHELL?
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