Are plants electrical?

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Are plants electrical?

Post by edcrater » Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:05 am

Are plants electrical?

It might sound a silly question, but let me relate a phenomenon I have frequently seen, and you can judge.

Wherever I go in the world, I like to visit the local Botanical Garden. Sometimes these are outside, or in a walled protected area, or in a giant greenhouse, depending on location and circumstances.

The actual phenomenon requires a little imagination. Picture a plant with, say, 6 inch to 12 inch leaves, in a greenhouse where there is no possibility of wind, situated amongst other plants. Indeed, some of the other plants might overhang the plant in question. Thus, the target plant is surrounded by others that would also move if there was an air current. But the target plant will start to wave a leaf, whilst all other plants are quite motionless, and the other leaves on the same plant are motionless too. This can be an extreme motion - an enormous amplitude given the situation. It is almost as if one leaf is behaving as in a gale, whilst the others are totally still. I have watched this happen for as long as 10 minutes. Sometimes, I continue my visit, and come back later to find it is still occurring. Sometimes one leaf will stop, and another will start.

I have seen this phenomenon in South East Asia, Europe and America. It doesn't seem to matter which plant it is either, as long as the leaves are physically capable of free and easy movement.

I speculated that an insect might be causing it, but on the few plants I could get close enough for a good view, there appeared to be no insect present. I thought perhaps a spider might be pulling on silk attached to the leaf, but could see no such thing. Indeed, it would be a stretch to think that any plant on any continent would be subject to the same kind of leaf-waving spider. No; a more universal solution is required.

Could it be static electricity? Could one leaf become 'preferentially charged' and be trying to equalize its charge with other leaves, or even the air?

At one time, I saw mountains as heaps of rock. Now I know they are fulgamites or similar. At one time, I thought craters were impact craters, because the 'scientists' told me so. Now I know better. I recently read about cells and membranes, and how they seem related to electrical phenomena. Animals detect static, and behave peculiarly before thunderstorms. Members will know that I could go on with many more examples.

Maybe plants have an electrical dimension too. Perhaps some gardening experts out there have the answer? Is there an easy solution that doesn't involve electricity? I readily admit I might have missed something obvious. :oops:

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Post by junglelord » Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:16 am

I do not know the answer, but it has been established that EM fields effect plant growth. I think all living materials are capable of ES. That would seem to be plausible. It may not be correct, but I venture a guess it is. The source of the motion would be of interest at any rate. Nice observation, now to get to the bottom of it.
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Post by Osmosis » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:40 am

The wire merely completes the circuit from the battery in the lamp housing, to the small light bulb inside. These can be purchased from a magician's supply, for a few dollars. :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :mrgreen:

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Post by kevin » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:51 am

There was a clue with all the other magic links next to this one, but.
I do consider plants are electrical, and I can dowse the field about them.
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Re: Are plants electrical?

Post by Osmosis » Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:28 am

Hi Kevin,

I figured the clues were evident. I wonder if a sensitive differential voltmeter, similar to an EEG setup, could monitor the electric fields around plants?

Perhaps a botanist is in the EU someplace? :)

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Re: Are plants electrical?

Post by seasmith » Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:33 am

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Edcrater,

Vis this thread and your "Vortices" one,
are you maybe a bit Telekinetic ??

[ Once had a friend, who whenever i traveled with there would be an earthquake, flood, bomb or some such upheaval ]

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Post by substance » Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:45 am

So how does this work? How does the magnetized wire get current from the plant?
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Post by Osmosis » Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:19 pm

Substance,
If this lamp is made the way I suspect; you take a regular bulb and instead of fusing the filament base to it, you insert a small 1.5 volt lamp and AA-size battery cell. The base has two sides of the circuit, one to the lamp and the other to the open cell terminal. When the wire completes the circuit, PHOTONS from the lamp! :idea: :o :o
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Post by substance » Sun Oct 12, 2008 2:58 pm

Oh, nice! Free photons for the world! Of course not minding the AA battery..
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Post by Osmosis » Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:53 pm

Who would have thought, we could get EM waves (so-called photons) from a simple AA cell? :D :D

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Re: Are plants electrical?

Post by edcrater » Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:57 am

seasmith wrote: you maybe a bit Telekinetic ??
Ah, seasmith, I wish I was! I could be a gazillionaire by now. I tried playing golf and willing the ball into the hole, but it didn't work. The 2 vortices events were the only ones in my life, and they were 15 years apart. I can find no evidence for it, unfortunately.

The thing that really gets me about this is that one leaf will wave while all the other leaves that surround it completely are all absolutely motionless. It's quite unnerving to see something inexplicable!

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Post by substance » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:56 am

Hey, edcrater, we don`t have to be puzzled, lets just test this!
For how long did the leave you were observing move? If was just a single rapid move with a few after-wiggles it could be that just some ligament in the plant`s leave weakened and it couldn`t hold itself upright.
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Re: Are plants electrical?

Post by edcrater » Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:02 pm

substance wrote: lets just test this!
For how long did the leave you were observing move? If was just a single rapid move ...

On each occasion, several minutes. The movement is very regular. I can't say I have ever seen one start, because it is the motion that attracts the eye. Was that one just starting, or did I just start SEEING it? Dunno.

The amplitude is quite large - so large that one observes in disbelief. It seems to be generally soft green plants, rather than stiff ones.

I've thought of another point that might help in the diagnosis. Mostly the leaf-waving is "up-and-down". But once I saw a large strong leaf, a banana leaf or similar, some 2 ft long, rotating about its longitudinal axis instead. Maybe the leaf was too stiff for up-and-down motion, so the 'energy' translated into 'rotation'. It was moving through about 60 degrees on a cycle time of about 1-2 seconds. As usual, no other leaves were moving, the air being still.

Also, I have never seen any leaf move "side-to-side".

Also, thinking back [and I've never made any contemporaneous records of any of these events], I don't recall ever seeing a potted plant do it - only those planted 'naturally' in beds. Perhaps a potted plant has a different electrical environment.

The classic situation for it is in a botanical garden greenhouse, where the air is still. It is generally humid too, but I have no idea if that is relevant.

If you want to "test this", I suggest the following:

Go to a botanical garden greenhouse. It needs to be quiet. Kids running around shouting, or herds of tourists, are a no-no. Maybe that disturbs the electrical environment, or sound waves are involved, or turbulence, I know not. Find a still, quiet location, and stand still for a while. When all is quiet, relaxed and still, and has been so for a while, your eye might be attracted to movement. It might be a bird ferreting in the undergrowth, but it might be a leaf waving.

If it is, go closer, slowly and quietly, so as not to startle it. With luck, it will keep waving, ever more strongly until it is quite gross. If you are lucky and the plant is at the front of the bed, you will be able to approach within inches. Get down and examine it underneath, checking for silk-pulling spiders, or other unknown cause. Once you are satisfied, you might touch it, and see if it stops. That would be useful to know. You might also capture it on your video camera, and become famous for posting on youtube.

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Re: Are plants electrical?

Post by StefanR » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:09 am

There are some that move quite violently:

Moving Plants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfRVbthrTMo

or maybe the water transport plays a role ?:
Water transport in plants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1PqUB7Tu3Y

and with sound :
water or wood?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As4T-vnlCHA
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