helium universe

[stevebtaylor]

this model states that helium is the critical ingredient in the development of the universe.

from the electrical nature and temperature of the universe to the construction of the elements and
biological molecules, helium is the essential building block. without helium the universe could not exist in its present form.

every creation story needs to start somewhere. this one starts with the basic nature of the universe being the same then as it is now. charge and field are inseparable. adding or subtracting energy will not separate a charge from its field. the interactions between the two opposite charges and their fields combine to form the physical universe.
the electron and the proton together form the hydrogen atom. this atom actually exists in two basic forms.
one is the low-energy atom of hydrogen. the other, the high-energy form is the neutron. it is composed of an electron and a proton tightly bound together. that is what a neutron is.
all matter consists of combinations of these two forms.

within hydrogen gas, the basic combinations of molecules, isotopes and ions form naturally as a result of charge and field interactions. this includes the deuteron, the ion precursor to helium. the formation of helium decides the temperature and electrical nature of the universe.

the temperature at which helium becomes a superconductor of electricity is about the same as the microwave background radiation.

helium at its critical temperature is what creates the electrical universe.

[solrey]

Hey there stevebtaylor. Sorry, but I see several major flaws here.

First and foremost is that liquid helium at 2.17k is a superfluid, which mimics the flow of electricity through a superconductor. It's used experimentally as a fluid analog to study certain aspects of superconductivity.
Liquid Helium Mimics a Superconductor

Second is that helium isn't a conductor unless it's in the plasma state. Which leads to the fact that plasmas are not superconductive. Plasmas have >0 resistance and therefore they will support electric and magnetic fields. If plasmas were superconductive they would not support electric or magnetic fields. Superconductors are diamagnetic which means they repel magnetic fields as opposed to being attracted to magnetic fields like ferromagnetic or even paramagnetic mediums. This is all well known experimentally. Helium is also the least chemically reactive of the noble gases which means it's essentially inert.

Lastly, but not leastly, EU theory is not valid in a superconducting medium.

additionally, the temperature of the CMB is 2.725 K which is higher than the 2.17 K at which helium becomes a superfluid anyways so saying "about the same temperature" is like close... but no cigar.
cheers

[stevebtaylor]

hey solrey, there was no reference to superfluids in the post
according to wikipedia entry for helium to quote the article, plasma properties,

"most extra-terrestrial helium is found in a plasma state, with properties quite different of those of atomic helium. in a plasma helium's electrons are not bound to its nucleus, resulting in a very high electrical conductivity, even when the gas is only partially ionized. the charged particles are highly influenced by magnetic and electrical fields"

this refers, of course, to the helium ion or alpha particle.

as for the CBR values, they are still close. the universe is electrical, and universally so.

beginning with an electrical universe at optimum temperature and still being in an electrical universe at optimum temperature points to an eternal universe. is this not valid EU theory.

[solrey]

Hi stevebtaylor.

hey solrey, there was no reference to superfluids in the post

I know that, but it's relevant to what you said:

the temperature at which helium becomes a superconductor of electricity is about the same as the microwave background radiation.

To which I pointed out why that is a false statement. Helium is not a superconductor of electricity, period. Helium at the lambda point for superfluidity, 2.17K which is just below the CMB at 2.72K, is a superfluid and not a superconductor but only mimics aspects of superconductivity while in the superfluid state. The zero viscosity of a superfluid is analogous to the zero electrical resistance of a superconductor. Helium is not even a superconductor when in the plasma state because plasma is not superconductive.

Which, btw, the ionization potential of helium is 24.6eV, the highest of all the elements (hydrogen and oxygen are both 13.6eV for example) which means He requires more energy to become plasma than most any other element.

The plasma properties you quoted from wiki, , apply to all plasma, not just helium.

most extra-terrestrial helium is found in a plasma state

Yeah, so is everything else. The universe is 99.9% plasma after all.

You also said:

helium at its critical temperature is what creates the electrical universe.

Here's why that statement is meaningless. The critical temperature is just the "temperature above which a gas cannot be liquefied, regardless of the pressure applied." The critical temperature of helium is 5.2K so at the CMB "temperature" of 2.7K helium can be in the liquid state at, roughly guessing, .25 atmospheres. I suppose that's good to know if you really need to make liquid helium in a cave on mars north pole or something.

as for the CBR values, they are still close.

So which "critical temperature" close to the CMB are you talking about? The critical temperature for superfluidity at the lambda point of 2.17K or the critical temperature vapor-liquid point of 5.2K? Surely not the ionization potential translated to a "critical temperature" which would be over 1,000 K.

beginning with an electrical universe at optimum temperature and still being in an electrical universe at optimum temperature points to an eternal universe. is this not valid EU theory.

Yes to the eternal part. As for the helium and "optimum temperature" thing...not so much.

cheers

[altonhare]

Helium is also the least chemically reactive of the noble gases which means it's essentially inert.

Chemistry check, neon is the least reactive noble gas in addition to being the least reactive known element.

Fluorinated compounds of helium, argon, xenon, and radon have been observed experimentally. No compounds of neon have ever been observed.

Of course this isn't even remotely essential to your argument against OP, which is rock solid. The OP is off base.

[stevebtaylor]

the last two sentences are rewritten as follows.

the temperature at which helium ion has a very high electrical conductivity is about the same as the CMB radiation.

helium in this temperature range is what creates the electrical universe.

and to clear up the optimum temperature part,

beginning with an electrical universe that is at an optimum low temperature for the high electrical conductivity of helium ion in plasma and still being in that state of low temperature and high electrical conductivity of helium ion in plasma points to an eternal electric universe.

[solrey]

Hi Steve.

the last two sentences are rewritten as follows.

the temperature at which helium ion has a very high electrical conductivity is about the same as the CMB radiation.

Fair enough. But that doesn't really change the basic premise.
Can you provide a reference/citation for that claim? I think you might be mis-interpreting something. I have yet to find any experimental or theoretical evidence showing proof for cryogenic ionization/conductivity of helium at CMB temperatures. The only relation to electrical conductivity I'm aware of is in liquid heliums use as a coolant for superconductor materials or as a superfluid used to study certain internal characteristics of those same superconductor materials.

this refers, of course, to the helium ion or alpha particle.

Not necessarily. Helium has two electron shells. Singly ionized helium still has one electron shell so is not an alpha particle. Fully ionized helium as a bare nucleus is technically like an alpha particle, but the ionized helium nucleus is in a much higher energy state than an alpha particle. Nuclear decay, which produces alpha particles, and nuclear fusion are the only two known ways that helium is produced.
Helium is a by-product, not a main ingredient. Although it's the second most abundant element in the universe there is at least three times more hydrogen. Free individual protons and electrons are what powers an electric universe and the simplest combination of those is the hydrogen atom. Why try to over-complicate an otherwise simple and elegant solution?


Hi altonhare,
Thanks for that chemistry check. You're right, helium is actually the second least reactive noble gas.

No compounds of neon have ever been observed.

Stable or unstable?
I think an unstable compound of helium and ionized neon is made in a glow discharge, such as in a helium-neon laser. Otherwise, yeah, no stable neutral compounds of neon have been observed...so far.

cheers

[stevebtaylor]

solrey,
the basic premise is my own. it fits into the concept of cold creation. the universe, by this model, did not begin hot.

here is a reference, helium in auroral plasma is from the wikipedia article, it isnt much, is it?
journal of geophysical research vol 81 no1 pp111-115, 1976

i was/am under the impression that the helium that was produced experimentally by atomic decay and/or breaking atoms apart produced the deuteron ion first, what i consider the precurser to helium. it is expensive and impractical as a helium source.

the reason helium is the source of the electrical universe is because, in this model, it has a plasma nucleus. it is the first atom whose atomic binding architecture is a ring. this is a circular path that both proton and electron can flow in, i.e. plasma. the flow can be as slow as the proton-neutron particle exchange and/or the electron buzzing around internally. or, as a gas, the helium nucleus should be in in tumbling motion right down to low kelvin values. this causes the plasma universe.