Collective Electrodynamics

[junglelord]

A thread in dedication to our member StevenO, a EE, who brought our attention to Carver Mead, Feynman and the book Collective Electrodynamics.

QM pales in comparison to CE.

This is a partial reply from StevenO based on a PM, I sent him

Dear Dean

Thanks for your trust in my knowledge. My little knowledge just comes from studying many TOE for a few years before reaching the conclusion that all of them were based on incorrect assumptions combined with misunderstanding or incorrect application of Maxwell theory. I found only Mead provided a real synthesis of knowledge and have tried hard to understand his booklet, though that took two years. It is hard to get a broad overview of the state of physics, since everybody working in that field is extremely specialized these days. We need people like great Feynman and Mead that can see the forest through the trees to explain use how much the basics have moved forward.
Also, we really don't know everything about electricity yet, see for instance the recent realization of the memristor and the hard time we have to model plasma behaviour. My quest to fully understand EM also led me to EU (although EU was already the basic theory in the times of Tesla, before Einstein).

Certainly the collective experinece of myself as a electronic technologist, StevenO as a EE, and Dave Smith as a Electric Generating Station Manager, and all of us say electricity is still not fully understood. Feynman is clear about the state of confusion in physics and that most really do not have knowledge, just information.

May the book Collective Electrodynamics give us a path to that knowledge. I recommend that any one interested in Electronics, and the EU read this seminal work.

http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0 ... T0#PPA6,M1

I am sure StevenO can enlighten us and we can learn alot about physics, electricity and the universe if we read CE.

[junglelord]

Excellent quote from Collective Electrodynamics by Carver Mead and the need to re evaluate physics based on Quantum State Systems that are Classical Mechanic size and EM wave function as a four vector scalar product.

Gee where did we hear that before?

It is my firm belief that the last seven decades of the 20th century will be characterized in history as the dark ages of theoretical physics.

Early in this period, a line was drawn between Classical Physics, containing mechanics, electricity, and magnetism, and Modern Physics, containing relativity and quantum theory. The connection between the two domains was supposed to be The Correspondence Principle by Bohr. The behavior of a quantum system must approach that of a classical mechanical system in the limit of large quantum numbers. It is the purpose of this monograph to redefine that boundary, and to state a more correct correspondence principle.

As a quantum system contains more and more elements, it exhibits Collective behaviors that differ more and more widely from the behaviors of a mechanical system. In the limit of a large number of elements, these behaviors correspond to electromagnetic phenomenon. Thus, physics can indeed be divided into two disciplines: the first preoccupied with the behavior of incoherent systems, and the second concerned with the coherent quantum phenomenon. In what follows, I show that electromagnetism falls squarely in the second category.

Modern science began with mechanics, in many ways, we are still captive to mechanical ideas.
Classical mechanics is an inappropriate starting point for physics because it is not fundamental; rather it is the incoherent aggregation of the enormous number of quantum elements.

Feynamn wrote
There are many changes and concepts that are important when we go from classical to quantum mechanics. Instead of forces we deal with the way interactions change the wavelengths of waves.

To make contact with the fundamental nature of matter, we must work in a coherent context in which the underlying quantum reality has not been corrupted by incoherent averaging process.

Traditional treatments of quantum mechanics universally confused results that follow from the wave nature of matter with those that follow from the statistical nature of the experiment. In the usual picture, these aspects are inextricably intertwined. Einstein himself had a massive case of this confusion, at a cost in the debate with Bohr. Had he stuck to his hunch that the fundamental laws are continuous, he would have fared better; but to do that he would have needed a model quantum system in which statistics play a vanishingly small role. At that time, no such system was known. Today we have many such systems. Of these, none is more accessible than the superconductor itself; it is a quantum phenomenon/system on a grand scale. And, all by itself, provides us strikingly direct access to a near perfect coherent system/state.

Despite the muddle and fuss over theory, the past 70 years have been an age of enlightenment on the experimental front. On the astounding experimental discoveries made during that period, a number are particularly important for the present discussion:

1933, Persistent Current in Superconducting Ring

1933 Expulsion of Magnetic Field by Superconductor

1954 Maser

1960 Atomic Laser

1961 Quantized Flux in Superconducting Ring

1962 Semiconductor Laser

1964 Superconducting Quantum Interface Device

1980 Integer Quantum Hall Effect

1981, Fractional Quantum Hall Effect

1995 Bose-Einstein Condensate

Each of these discoveries has made a profound difference in the way we view the physical world. Each represents a coherent, collective state of matter. Each embodies a fundamental quantum principle, which is exhibited on a macroscopic scale. Each has been investigated exclusively simply by electromagnetic means.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We can start at a different place, go at the subject in a completely different way, and build a much clearer and simple or conceptual base. The difficult step, with hindsight is to go back far enough to get a really fresh start.

Collective Electrodynamics is the result of asking the question. If we could have looked forward from the mid 1800s with these experimental facts in our hands, would we have built a theory we have today?

I have concluded that we would not.

This approach does not produce a new theory in the sense that it contains startling new equations, for it does not. The result that arise for standard electromagnetic problems are identical to those found in any text on the subject. To be sure, many embarrassing questions that arise in the standard treatments of electromagnetism have natural answers in the collective text, as I have noted in the preface.

Collective electrodynamics is important in a completely different way, for it shows us that quantities you usually think of as being very different are, in fact, the same, that electromagnetic phenomenon are simple and direct manifestations of quantum phenomenon. This is the first step towards reformulating quantum concepts in a clear and comprehensible manner, but it is only a first step, and does not claim to be more.

The material in this little volume has been for me a personal quest. I began nearly 50 years ago. That came about as a direct result of my interactions with Richard Feynman. He and I both arrived at Caltech in 1952-he as a new professor of physics, and I as a freshman undergraduate. My passionate interest was electronics, and I avidly consumed any material I could find on the subject: courses, seminars, books, etc. As a consequence, I was dragged through several versions of standard electromagnetic theory: E, B, D and H, curls of curls, the whole 9 yards. The only bright light in the subject was the vector potential, to which I was always attracted because, somehow, it made sense to me. It seemed a shame that the courses I attended didn't make more use of it. In my junior year, I took a course in mathematical physics from Feynman-what a treat! This man could think conceptually about physics, not just regurgitate dry formalism. After one quarter of Feynman, the class was spoiled for any other professor. Feynman liked the vector potential to; for him it was a link between electromagnetism and quantum mechanics.

As he put it, "In the general theory of quantum electrodynamics, one takes the vector and scaler potentials as fundamental quantities in a set of equations that replace the Maxwell equations."

I learned enough about it from him to know that someday, I wanted to do all of my electromagnetic theory that way.

By 1960, I had completed a thesis on transistor physics and had become a brand-new faculty member in my own right. Fascinated by Leo Esaki's work on tunnel diodes, I started my own research on electron tunneling through thin insulating films. Tunneling is interesting because it is a purely quantum phenomenon. Electrons below the zero energy level in a vacuum, or in the forbidden gap of a semiconductor or insulator, have wave functions that died out exponentially with distance. I was working with insulators sufficiently fanned that the wave function of electrons on one side had significant amplitude on the opposite side. The result was a current that decreased exponentially with the thickness of the insulator. From the results, I could work out how the exponential depended on energy. My results didn't fit with the conventional theory, which treated the insulator is the what were a vacuum. But the insulator was not a vacuum, and the calculations were giving us important information about how the wave function behaved in the forbidden gap. Feynman' was enthusiastic about this tunneling work. We shared a graduate student, Karvel Thornber, who used Feynamn's path integral methods to work out a more detailed model of the insulator.

True vintage Feynman was when he waxed eloquent about the vector potential. This quote contains a delightful discussion about what a field is and what makes one feels more "real" than another.

"What we mean here by a real field is this a real field is a mathematical function we use for avoiding the idea of action at a distance. A real field is then a set of numbers, we specify in such a way that what happens at out point depends only on the numbers at that point. In our sense then, that the A-field is real, E and B are slowly disappearing from the modern expression of physical laws. They are being replaced by A and PHI.

He develops the equations of electrodynamics and four-vector form-the approach that I have adopted in this monograph.

I can remember feeling very angry with Feynman when I sat in on this particular lecture. Why hadn't he started this way in the first place, and saved us all the mess of a B field, which, as he said was not real anyway. When I asked him about it, he said something vague like:

there are a bunch of classical interactions that you can't get at in any simple way without Maxwell's equations. You need the v X B term.

I don't remember his exact words here, only the just of the discussion. Sure enough, when volume 2 of the lectures was published, the equation F = q(E+ v X B) appears in the column labeled "true always"

The equation is true for the toy electric motor, he shows. It is not true in general. For a real electric motor, the B field is concentrated in the iron rather than in the copper in which the current is flowing, and the equation gives a wrong answer by a factor of more than 100! That failure is due to the failure of B to be "real", precisely in Feynman's sense. Somehow he had separated science in two worlds: quantum and classical.

For him, the vector potential was primary in the quantum world, where as E and B were necessary for the classical world. These two worlds had not yet come together. I was an active researcher and solid-state physics at that time, they use the quantum nature of electrons and solids every day. He electrodynamics deals with how electrons interact with other electrons. The classical interactions Feynman was talking about was between electrons in metals, in which the density of electrons is so high that quantum interaction is by far the dominant effect. If we know how the vector potential comes into the phase of the electron wave function, and at the electron wave function dominates the behavior of metals, then why can't we do all of electromagnetic theory that way? Why didn't he use his knowledge of quantum electrodynamics to "take the vector and scaler potentials as fundamental qualities in the set of equations that replace the Maxwell equations", as he himself has said? I was mystified; this cryptic answer prodded me to start working on the problem. But every time I thought I had an approach, I got stuck.

Bill Fairbank had given a seminar on quantized flux and superconducting rings that impressed me very much. The solid-state physics club is much smaller in those days, and because I was working on electron tunneling, I was close to the people working on tunneling between superconductors. Their results were breaking in just the same timeframe, and Feynaman gave a lecture about this topic to the sophomores. As I listened to that lecture, my thoughts finally clicked: this is how we can make the connection! A superconductor is a quantum system on the classical scale, and that fact allows us to carry out Feynman's grand scheme. But I couldn't get this approach to go all the way through at that time, so we just sat in the back of my mind all those years, vaguely tickling me.

Meanwhile my work on tunneling was being recognized, and Gordon Moore asked me whether tunneling would be a major limitation on how small we could make transistors and an integrated circuit? That question took me on a detour that was to last nearly 30 years, but it also led me into another collaboration with Feynaman, this time on the subject of computation. Here's how it happened: in 1968, I was invited to give a talk at a workshop on semiconductor devices. In those days, you could get everyone who is doing cutting edge work into one room, so the workshops were where all the action was. I'd been thinking about Gordon Moore's question, and decided to make it the subject of my talk. As I prepared for this event, I began to have serious doubts about my sanity. My calculations were telling me, contrary to all the current lore in the field, we could scale down the technologies such that everything got better. The circuits got more complex, they ran faster, and they took less power-wow! The talk provoked considerable debate, and at the time most people didn't believe the result. But by the time the next workshop rolled around, a number of other groups had work to the problem for themselves, and we were pretty much all in agreement. The consequences of this result for modern information technology have, of course, been staggering.

Back in 1959, Feynman gave a lecture entitled. There's Plenty of Room at the Bottom, in which he discussed how much smaller things can be made then we ordinarily imagine. That talk at a made a big impression on me; I thought about it often, and it would sometimes come up in our discussions on the tunneling work. When I told him about the scaling law for electronic devices, Feynman got jazzed. He came to my seminars on the subject, and always raised a storm of good questions and comments. I was working with the graduate student, Bruce Hoeneisen: by 1971, we had worked out the details of how transistors would look and work when they are a factor of 100 smaller in linear dimensions then the limits set by the prevailing orthodoxy. Because of the scaling work, I became completely absorbed with how the exponential increase in complexity of integrated circuits would change the way that we think about computing.
http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0 ... 0#PPR16,M1

[junglelord]

I am truly surprised that this thread has not had more action. If we are to understand the EM theory fully, we need to leave behind the particle model and the Heaviside reduction forumla, which is inaccurately called "Maxwells Formula", which irritates me to no end.


It is not Maxwells Formula, not in anyway, shape or form.


Infact a full review of this seminal work by Mead will take you forward to a proper understanding of the quantum world via a view of Maxwell and Mead with four variables of freedom and a intrinsic Scalar product. This is critical to leaving behind the particle world that is supported by the Heaviside reduction "dumbdown". Mead is clear that quantum mechanics is not the proper approach, yet we cannot understand the quantum world without a quantum model. Meanwhile we have quantum devices of macroscopic size running all the time. Theory is not lockstep with technology, infact technology is almost 100 years ahead of theory. The introduction of the heaviside work as the "Formula by Maxwell" is the biggest denominator in the inability of theory to keep abreast with technology. The missing Scalar product, the longitudinal set, is the major key to the next level of technology and theory. There is a reason Telsa is not in my electronics books from college. There is a reason that people dispute wireless transmission with transverse theory....

Did you catch that?

Wireless transmission, is Longitudinal....not Transverse.

Its so easy to watch the History Channel show on Telsa and walk away thinking, he was crazy. Too bad no one pointed out that he never intended to transmit transverse energy wireless. What does this have too do with Stars? Stars receive their enery wireless (albiet in a vacuum). They receive this energy in a way that is not explained with transverse waves even given the vacuum. Wireless transmission is an important process to understand and currently we lack that understanding with Heavisides transverse two vector theory.

The last key to the understand of the quantum world is that Einstein never disqualified the Aether.

Four degrees of freedom for the EM wave, an intrinsic scalar product, reverse time waves, aether. Take these four items and watch how EM Theory opens up. Did you realize that for the sun, or any star, to be constantly fed energy from the galactic core, it must arrive in and maintain itself as a longitudinal reverse time wave? It is not transverse transmission that feeds the star. If one is too understand the transmission of electricity in space one needs a proper understanding of these vital principles. The explosive power of longitudinal reverse time wave functions have been explored by the Russians with the Woodpecker Radar. The sun and stars get their power in a standing wave explosive fashion, that is longitudinal and scalar and nonlinear operation with a reverse time wave component. The explosive Z Pinch relationship of longitudinal energy is well observed in the Tesla Magnifying Transmitter.

Longitudinal transmisson, four degrees of variablity, reverse time waves, and aether. EM is a much more complete theory with this information updated to help us understand the quantum devices we build and the EU we live in.

The last part of the quote in the post above mentions the scaling of information and how that relates to information and the space that contains that information, this will lead you into the holographic prinicples of comprehension and that Information is as vital to the TOE formula as is Energy and Matter. Aether theory is compatable with this Holographic Prinicple and the idea that Information is a fundamental building block of reality.

Aether theory is compatable with the observations of Spiral Forms and indeed is a spiral form itself. Holographic spiral forms are the basic key to understanding the universe from big to small. It is the archetype structure. Spiral forms are longitudinal scalar structures with reverse time wave functions that are aether driven. Tensegrity unifes the structural approach so that structure and function cannot be seperated at any level of reality.

The key to understanding the universe is with the ability to explain step by step, how one level of reality changes into the next with a series of repeating holographic steps. Aether structural tensegrity principles apply throughout the different leveles of construct. Therefore Tensegrity is the structural engineering principle that drives the relationship of structure and function at all levels. Continuious tension with discontinuous compression is the form of the universe and the human body with a holographic function. That is why the nerve cell looks like the galactic web.
http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover ... verse.html
this is fully compatable with the quantum aether structure model of APM.

[junglelord]

On Amazon.com, there is a book review for Collective Electrodynamics that almost looks like a worthy starting point ...one would have to take account of this seminal work to make the next step to quantum structure via APM. Notice the reverse wave function is a very important concept to include as this quote leads directly into the links I have made recently about Holographic principles, entropy, and reverse time EM.

Despite his preface upbraiding physicists for their work of the past 50-75 years, the main text makes reasonable claims based upon well-founded experimental and theoretical results. The book endorses earlier work of Einstein, Feynmann, Reimann, Lorentz, Maxwell, Planck, and others while making computational and conceptual adjustments to accommodate modern experimental results.

Also in the text, Bohr and other die-hard quantum statisticians are continually under attack for their poo-pooing of possible phenomena, algorithms, and concepts behind the observed quantum behavior. Bohr and his clan, apparently, claimed that the statistics made up the whole baseball team of quantum physics--and that we should not, and could not, look further. In refuting this micro-labotomic approach of Bohr, Dr. Mead makes reference to systems--macroscopic in size--that exhibit quantum behaviors. While he mentions lasers, masers, semiconductors, superconductors, and other systems in the text, the primary results of the book hinge upon experimental results from the field of superconductors.

He points out that physics can be split into several areas: Classical Mechanics explains un-coherent, uncharged systems such as cannon balls, planets, vehicles, etc.

Classical Electrodynamics explains un-coherent, charged systems such as conductors, currents, and their fields.

Thermodynamics explains how macroscopic statistics, such as temperature and entropy, guide the time evolution of systems.

Modern Quantum Mechanics tries to explain coherent, charged systems.

Here 'coherent' refers to quantum coherency, where many particles/atoms march to the same drum such as the photons in a laser, or the electrons in a superconductor, or any isolated one or two particles. Another description of coherency is that the states are quantum entangled; their time-evolution depends upon each other.

The thrust of Carver's book: QM applies to all matter--not just small systems or isolated particles--is well made. He brings up experimental data from superconductors to illustrate that the phenomenon of coherent quantum entanglement can, and does, occur at macroscopic scales; and that such behavior is very quantum. Thus he proves, quite convincingly, that quantum mechanics applies to all coherent systems.

He then closes by making some very important points. (1) He shows that quantum behavior of such systems can be expressed in quantum language (wave function), relativistic language (four-vectors), or electrodynamics (vector potential, scalar potential) in an equivalent fashion. This is important, as it proves that a superconductor is macroscopic, exhibits quantum behavior, and that these quantitative results agree with those found from the other approaches. (2) He makes the point that the quantum and relativistic equations show that electromagnetic phenomena consist of two parts: one traveling forward in time; the other backward in time. Feynmann and others have said this for a long time, and he shows how thermodynamics (or un-coherent behavior) forces what we see as only time-evolution in one direction in un-coherent systems. (3) He illustrates, modeling single atoms as tiny superconducting resonators, that two atoms that are coherently linked will start exchanging energy. This causes an exponential, positive-feedback loop that ends with each atom in a quantum eigenstate. Thus quantum collapse is neither discontinuous, nor instantaneous; and in fact makes a lot of sense. (4) He explains, using four-vectors, that all points on a light-cone are near each other in four space. This point--together with (2)--shows that there's no causality contradiction between relativity and quantum mechanics.

For example, he explains that two entangled particles, such as photons light years apart, can affect each other immediately if one falls into an eigenstate, since the four-dimensional distance between them (R1 dot R2) is zero. Although separated in three space, they're neighbors in four space. Through these demonstrations and proofs, he successfully suggests that there is a way to further develop the 'behavior of charged, coherent systems' such that quantum mechanics and relativity will agree--but the conceptual changes he suggests are necessary and must be further developed. Also, he admits that a better, more appropriate mathematical and computational methods will be needed, since the complexity of coherent systems runs as n^2.

Pleasantly, then, the book makes elegant, defensible, mathematical and conceptual steps to resolve some nagging points of understanding. Also, the narrative gives the best introduction to electrodynamics and quantum mechanics that I've ever seen. Since the theoretical criticisms and experimental data are quite valid, his proposed resolutions are eye-opening and valuable. The methods he suggests greatly simply thinking about complicated quantum/classical problems.

New approaches for future theoretical research are also suggested. Despite the dark tone in the preface, the book is positive, enlightening, and well anchored to accepted, modern experimental results and theoretical work. It's a short book, about 125 pages, and well worth the read. Familiarity with classical and quantum physics, and special relativity, is required to get the most out of it. As you can tell, I enjoyed it tremendously.

[Solar]

I read the Mead interview a few days ago, as well as the Amazon review upon looking for the booklet CE. The preface to the initial interview explaining Mead's career is what I found most intriguing about the gentleman. That kind of 'hands on' experience lead to "computational and conceptual adjustments to accommodate modern experimental results" - and the man seems brave enough to have made those 'adjustments' and they apparently run counter to many aspects of theory. That interview also pointed out the rarity of such a wealth of that kind of experience to contrast with theory.

That is a serious problem imho and speaks to Hannes Alfven's 'warning' that lab work is vital. Mead's lab work was/is his rather lengthly career. We have a cadre of theoretical physicist running afoot and it often appears that as opposed to letting the data from probes and lab work 'explain' some of the ways of cosmology; the habit is to presuppose what will be there. Thus the constant and almost relentless stream of 'surprises'.

Although I think I understand much of the concepts you've put forth above and am interested in those relationships as well as Aetherometry, APM, Tesla, Meyl etc I constantly wonder 'How can they be made practical?' - especially to a novice just becoming interested in the EU. (just sharing a personal thought there)

I feel like they're the dynamic 'other side' of the EU in the same manner that the aether is the 'other side' of the transverse relationship.

At any rate I'll be getting a copy of CE because, from my own career, I can relate to the 'hands on' approach that Mead has had and I'd like to see how that influenced his ideas towards theory.

[junglelord]

I think they can be made practical to us and everyone with many different technologies. Quantum computers and spintronics over unity magnetic motors come immediatly to mind. Aether technology provides the basis for "over-unity" devices like the Abnormal Glow Pulsed Plasma Vacuum Tube by Aetherometry, wireless communication via longitudinal current with Tesla/Meyl/Dollard research, Reverse Time wave technology that is used today is often in the hands of the military, Plasma craft that is researched by Lockheed being made public, quantum sized macrodevices yet to be created, possibly a quantum unity plasma powered ship that can resonate at specific frequencies....


yes it would be a new and incredible world at our fingertips.

For now I would like to make a new theory that is based on the observations of Mead. Quantum coherency and EM are a directly related phenomenon. This is a huge piece of the puzzle. This observation leads us to the next level of understanding. Therefore one must become fully comfortable with Cooper-pairs (dual opposite spiral electron pairs) and all aspects of quantum devices. The thread started by StefanR on superconductors was a world of information on the holographic aspects of which I speak and how EM is governed by quantum coherency. His thread led to a direct observation of the spiral longitudinal archetype form at the quantum level via the EM wave. This is direct evidence that the structural aspects of the quantum world are spiral, especially when dealing with EM. Again its important to note the reverse time wave component and holographic functions of these longitudinal scalar nonlinear spiral forms as well as the fact that they exhibit tensegrity relationships of structural form.

These are scaleable, that is my contention, just like quantum devices are scaleable. I think this should start some bells ringing...it did for Mead when he thought about it....I am merely bringing it full circle. This all leads to quantum structure models, this leads to APM. This explains why we have holographic principles, tensegrity principles, Spiral forms, at all levels of reality. You cannot seperate structure from function. You build a understandable and reasonable TOE with this guiding principle....structure and function cannot be seperated.

[colesakick@yahoo.com]

Wow, I’m just all a twitter over the content of this thread! Years ago I was going to write a book (Intellectually Honest Science) wherein I was going to discuss how academic boycotts owing to orthodox bias has cost us all from learning about and tying together EU with Dave Thomson’s Aether Physics Model. Germane to this logical association is the consequent existence of biological life and all the forms that are observed in nature.

At the heart of all things material is the nonmaterial yet geometry possessing, electromagnetic (and time) pulsating dipoles termed aether units. As is pointed out above, each aether unit is a holographic, information (consciousness?) storing unit (allowing for action at a distance owing to that all units “know/experiences” what any single unit “knows/experiences.“ Not surprising then is the discovery (by the Russian Academy of Sciences (Peter Gariaev et al) that DNA is also a holographic, information storing and information transmitting (via solitonic and photonic emissions) structure. DNA, they assert in their paper “the DNA-Wave Biocomputer” (CASYS 12th Annual Conference and BCS magazine both published this paper http://www.bcs.org.uk/siggroup/cyber/dna.htm) the following:

“… that the chromosome continuum of multicellular organisms is analogous to a static-dynamical multiplex time-space holographic grating, which comprises the space-time of an organism in a convoluted form.”

“. . . This variation says that the genetic wave information from DNA preparations, recorded within the polarizations of connected photons, being quantum-nonlocal, constitutes a broadband radio wave spectrum correlated - by means of polarizations - with the photons. Here, the main information channel, at least in regard to DNA, is the parameter of polarization, which is nonlocal and is the same for both photons and the radio waves. A characteristic feature is, that the Fourier-image of the radio spectra is dynamical, depending essentially on the type of matter interrogated. It can therefore be asserted, that this phenomenon concerns a new type of a computer (and biocomputer) memory, and also a new type of EPR spectroscopy, namely one featuring photon-radiowave-polarization. The fundamental notion is, that the photon-radio-wave features of different objects (ie the Fourier-spectra of the radio waves of crystals, water, metals, DNA, etc) are stored for definite but varying times by means of laser mirrors, such that the "mirror spectra" concern chaotic attractors with a complex dynamic fractal dynamics, recurring in time. These experiments are therefore not only unique in themselves, they are a first example, that a novel static storage/recording environment (laser mirrors) exists, capable of directly recording the space-time dynamical behaviour of objects. Further the phenomena, detected by these experiments, establishes the existence of an essentially new type of radio signal, where the information will be encoded by polarizations of electromagnetic vectors. This will be the basis of a new type of video recording, and will create a new form of cinema as well. . . .”

“. . . The 5th level is the chromosome-holographic: at this level, a gene has a holographic memory, which is typically distributed, associative, and nonlocal, where the holograms "are read" by electromagnetic and/or acoustic fields. These carry the gene-wave information out beyond the limits of the chromosome structure. Thus, at this and subsequent levels, the nonlocality takes on its dualistic material-wave role, as may also be true for the holographic memory of the cerebral cortex.
The 6th level concerns the genome's quantum nonlocality. Up to the 6th level, the nonlocality of bio-information is realized within the space of an organism. This 6th level has, however, a special nature; not only because it is realized at the quantum level, but also because it works both through the space of a biosystem and in a biosystem's own time frame. Billions of an organism's cells can therefore "know" about each other instantaneously, allowing such a cell set to regulate and coordinate its metabolism and its own functions.Thus, nonlocality can be postulated to be the key factor explaining the astonishing evolutionary achievement of multicellular biosystems. This factor says that bioinformatic events, can be instantaneously co-ordinated, taking place "here and there simultaneously", and that in such situations the concept of "cause and effect" loses any sense. This is of a great importance! Intercellular diffusion of signal substances and of the nervous processes are far too inertial for this purpose. Even if it is conceded that intercellular transmissions take place electro-magnetically at light speeds, this would still be insufficient to explain how highly evolved, highly complex biosystems work in real time. The apparatus of quantum nonlocality and holography, is in authors' view, indispensable to a proper explanation of such real time working. The 6th level therefore says, genes can act as true quantum objects, and that, it is the phenomemon of quantum non-locality, that ensures organism's supercoherency, information superredundancy, superknowledge, cohesion and, as a totality or whole, the organism's integrity (viability). . . “

Even though my friend who co-wrote the above paper (Peter Mercer) can’t be talked out of his “wave-particle duality” perspective (at least not for now) so as to put these data in terms of the APM, those of us who can conceptualize the APM can see what’s really being described here and the significance it has to the content of this thread (namely, though you didn’t put it in these terms, that the micro domain (aether/non-material reality) gives rise to the macro domain (material reality) via fractal recursiveness such that the larger reflects the nature/structure of the smaller) (the book Secrets of the Aether goes over fractals as a natural consequence of aether structure)

A careful reading of the paper linked above agrees strongly with what’s being said here and I strongly recommend a careful and thorough reading of it by all who are the least bit stimulated by this thread, but especially you junglelord! (do I know you by another name Sir?)

[seasmith]

colesakick@ WROTE:

Even though my friend who co-wrote the above paper (Peter Mercer) can’t be talked out of his “wave-particle duality” perspective (at least not for now)

No Comprendo::::

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British mathematician and physicist


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Rail travel at high speed is not possible because passengers, unable to breathe, would die of asphyxia.

- Dr. Dionysus Lardner (1793-1859)
Professor of Natural Philosophy and Astronomy


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Airplanes are interesting toys but of no military value.

- Marshal Ferdinand Foch,
French military strategist and World War I commander.


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It is an idle dream to imagine that automobiles will take the place of railways in the long distance movement of passengers.

- American Railroad Congress, 1913


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Men might as well project a voyage to the Moon as attempt to employ steam navigation against the stormy North Atlantic Ocean.

- Dr. Dionysus Lardner (1793-1859)
Professor of Natural Philosophy and Astronomy


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Computers


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There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their home.

- Ken Olson, President of Digital Corporation, 1977


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The Internet will catastrophically collapse in 1996.’

- Robert Metcalfe, internet inventor



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Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons.

- Popular Mechanics, 1949


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We have reached the limits of what is possible with computers.

- John Von Neumann, 1949


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I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.

- Thomas J. Watson Snr., IBM Chairman, 1943

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Space Exploration


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There is no hope for the fanciful idea of reaching the Moon because of insurmountable barriers to escaping the Earth's gravity.

- Dr. Forest Ray Moulton, University of
Chicago astronomer, 1932.

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To place a man in a multi-stage rocket and project him into the controlling gravitational field of the moon where the passengers can make scientific observations, perhaps land alive, and then return to earth--all that constitutes a wild dream worthy of Jules Verne. I am bold enough to say that such a man-made voyage will never occur regardless of all future advances.

- Lee DeForest,
American radio pioneer, 1926.

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Medicine and Health


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‘The abdomen, the chest and the brain will forever be shut from the intrusion of the wise and humane surgeon.’

- Sir John Eric Ericson, Surgeon to Queen Victoria, 1873


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Louis Pasteur’s theory of germs is a ridiculous fiction.

- Pierre Pachet
Professor Physiology, Toulouse, 1872


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The abolishment of pain in surgery is a chimera. It is absurd to go on seeking it... Knife and pain are two words in surgery that must forever be associated in the consciousness of the patient.

- Dr. Alfred Velpeau (1839), French surgeon

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There is growing evidence that smoking has pharmacological effects that are of real value to smokers.

- President of Philip Morris, Inc., 1962

Your cigarettes will never become popular.

- F. G. Alton, 1870
cigar maker, turning down Mr. John Player

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Nuclear Power


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...any one who expects a source of power from the transformation of these atoms is talking moonshine...

- Ernest Rutherford (1933)


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There is no likelihood man can ever tap the power of the atom. The glib supposition of utilizing atomic energy when our coal has run out is a completely unscientific Utopian dream, a childish bug-a-boo. Nature has introduced a few fool-proof devices into the great majority of elements that constitute the bulk of the world, and they have no energy to give up in the process of disintegration.

- Robert A. Millikan (1863-1953)
speech to the Chemists' Club (New York)


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There is not the slightest indication that [nuclear energy] will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will.

- Albert Einstein, 1932.


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All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk.

- Ronald Reagan, 1980


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General Science


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‘With regard to the electric light, much has been said for and against it, but I think I may say without contradiction that when the Paris Exhibition closes, electric light will close with it, and no more will be heard of it.’

- Erasmus Wilson
Oxford University professor, 1878


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I am tired of all this thing called science.... We have spent millions in that sort of thing for the last few years, and it is time it should be stopped.

- Simon Cameron,
U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania, 1861
demanding the funding of the Smithsonian Institution be cut off


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The so-called theories of Einstein are merely the ravings of a mind polluted with liberal, democratic nonsense which is utterly unacceptable to German men of science.

- Dr. Walter Gross, 1940

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There is a young madman proposing to light the streets of London - with what do you suppose - with smoke!

- Sir Walter Scott (1771-1832)
On a proposal to light cities with gaslight

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Approximately 80% of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation. So let's not go overboard in setting and enforcing tough emissions standards for man-made sources.

- Ronald Reagan, 1980


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I see no good reasons why the views given in this volume should shock the religious feelings of anyone.

- Darwin (writing in Origin of Species), 1859


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The machine gun is a much overrated weapon; two per battalion is more than sufficient.

- General Douglas Haig, 1915


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http://www.null-hypothesis.co.uk/scienc ... k_disaster


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[junglelord]

He points out that physics can be split into several areas: Classical Mechanics explains un-coherent, uncharged systems such as cannon balls, planets, vehicles, etc.

Classical Electrodynamics explains un-coherent, charged systems such as conductors, currents, and their fields.

Thermodynamics explains how macroscopic statistics, such as temperature and entropy, guide the time evolution of systems.

Modern Quantum Mechanics tries to explain coherent, charged systems.

Here 'coherent' refers to quantum coherency, where many particles/atoms march to the same drum such as the photons in a laser, or the electrons in a superconductor, or any isolated one or two particles. Another description of coherency is that the states are quantum entangled; their time-evolution depends upon each other.

The thrust of Carver's book: QM applies to all matter--not just small systems or isolated particles--is well made. He brings up experimental data from superconductors to illustrate that the phenomenon of coherent quantum entanglement can, and does, occur at macroscopic scales; and that such behavior is very quantum. Thus he proves, quite convincingly, that quantum mechanics applies to all coherent systems.

He then closes by making some very important points. (1) He shows that quantum behavior of such systems can be expressed in quantum language (wave function), relativistic language (four-vectors), or electrodynamics (vector potential, scalar potential) in an equivalent fashion. This is important, as it proves that a superconductor is macroscopic, exhibits quantum behavior, and that these quantitative results agree with those found from the other approaches. (2) He makes the point that the quantum and relativistic equations show that electromagnetic phenomena consist of two parts: one traveling forward in time; the other backward in time. Feynmann and others have said this for a long time, and he shows how thermodynamics (or un-coherent behavior) forces what we see as only time-evolution in one direction in un-coherent systems. (3) He illustrates, modeling single atoms as tiny superconducting resonators, that two atoms that are coherently linked will start exchanging energy. This causes an exponential, positive-feedback loop that ends with each atom in a quantum eigenstate. Thus quantum collapse is neither discontinuous, nor instantaneous; and in fact makes a lot of sense. (4) He explains, using four-vectors, that all points on a light-cone are near each other in four space. This point--together with (2)--shows that there's no causality contradiction between relativity and quantum mechanics.

For example, he explains that two entangled particles, such as photons light years apart, can affect each other immediately if one falls into an eigenstate, since the four-dimensional distance between them (R1 dot R2) is zero. Although separated in three space, they're neighbors in four space. Through these demonstrations and proofs, he successfully suggests that there is a way to further develop the 'behavior of charged, coherent systems' such that quantum mechanics and relativity will agree--but the conceptual changes he suggests are necessary and must be further developed. Also, he admits that a better, more appropriate mathematical and computational methods will be needed, since the complexity of coherent systems runs as n^2.

Pleasantly, then, the book makes elegant, defensible, mathematical and conceptual steps to resolve some nagging points of understanding. Also, the narrative gives the best introduction to electrodynamics and quantum mechanics that I've ever seen. Since the theoretical criticisms and experimental data are quite valid, his proposed resolutions are eye-opening and valuable. The methods he suggests greatly simply thinking about complicated quantum/classical problems.

As the levels of coherency increase and the levels of reality descend, we see the quantum state is most like the aether state, expresses itself most like the aether state and has functions that most resemble the aether state. This is only to be expected. Therefore one does not approach aether models with any of the more uncoherent or uncharged views of reality as forms of rebuttal or comprehension. Many are trapped in levels of physics that are not coherent or charged, views of reality like Classic Mechanics, others in the Heaviside reduction of Classic Electrodynamics which does not approximate the quantum world due to being uncoherent and is unentangled. One needs the quantum expression to understand the aether expression, coherent and charged, entangled, four degrees of freedom, scalar longitudinal products, nonlinear forward and reverse time functions, informational holographic relationships, quantum spin numbers, quantum structure, collective behaviour, implicit order, archetype fractal levels of reality.

Indeed the concept that smashing atoms will reveal what they are made of is nonsequatar as well if one wants to comprehend the quantum world. Quantum constants is much more intellectual then atom smashing when trying to understand the quantum world. Indeed quantum structure is best understood intact, not smashed. Structure and function cannot be seperated. One does not study structure after it is broken, and since the quantum world is not broken why try to figure it out that way? Just because we can identify subatomic paticles with atom collisions, does not mean we will understand them that way.....therefore superconductors tell us much more about reality then particle accelerators and atom smashers. To understand the quantum EM we read Collective Electrodynamics and you will walk circles around theories derived from particle physics and quarks....

[colesakick@yahoo.com]

I put a copy in my shopping cart and will read it with glee. I lost my ATM card and have to wait for a new one to come before I can complete the order (too bad not everyone takes Paypal).

Did you read the DNA-Wave Biocomputer paper, I know you will enjoy it a great deal.

You basically answered the nocomprendo guy above, thanks for the clarification. Hope he gets it.

[junglelord]

I actually have thesis work in that direction, some of it is at my blog....DNA biophysics, tensegrity biophysics, fascial liquid crystal biophysics....
http://plasmaresources.com/structureand ... ress/?p=21

Indeed it was after years of interdisiplineary study of EM, electronics, biology, anatomy, fascia, tensegrity, quantum behaviour that I came to the conclusion that the liquid crystal fasical tensegrity matrix was a convery of information in a way that is not considered in mainstream physics but has been expressed in the Holographic Universe which was a fundamental expression of this "information", and that indeed holographic information itself was as fundamental as energy and matter and is directly related to the coherent entangled charged quantum EM state.

Dave Thomson says that PHI and phi are intrinsic aether fundamentals.
My work in biophysics recognizes this important fact and is first introduced with Quantum Coherency which by its very nature is entangled.

Quantum Coherency
A property of laser light, is recognized in physics and is called Frohlick oscillations. In a regular source of light such as a light bulb, photons of light are emitted in no regular pattern or frequency but instead many different frequencies or colors of light are emitted in a random pattern in short wave emissions and hence we see only the sum total of the wave or white light. In a laser light is stimulated and emitted at a specific frequency and in time in a temporal sense. Instead of small packets of individual photon emission a laser has long wave continunity of photon emission in both a frequency and phase coherence that appears as if the photons have melted together.

What this means is that we have a monochromic light that is in phase as well as frequency. Emissions of similar energy from the body have been measured by scientist, indicating that at times of love, healing, nurturing, these emissions are created, possibly generated by the heart harmonic due to the Golden Mean Ratio wave that is generated at such times. The golden mean ratio is a mathmatical property of ever increasing harmonics that is transendental like the number phi and has been expressed as a function of the prime number code.

The emission of laser light is also linked to the effects of Soliton Waves as they relate to the Golden Mean Ratio via a tensgrity crystalline structure and self generating reorder on higher scales of frequency and therefore complexity. It is also well recognized that sound (Cymatics) will vibrate a medium into specific waveform patterns with higher frequencies creating more complex geometric patterns that evolve from the wave interaction with the medium.

Consider the Jitterbug ability of the cytoskeleton tensegrity structure that organizes along Sacred Geometry forms and how thought itself can create changes in the structure of the body via the EM wave of the heart and quantum coherent states of PHI (Golden Mean Ratio) as they convey that information to the body via the liquid crystal tensegrity matrix. You stand how you feel….depressed people slouch. People in “new” love stand very tall…fascia after all is the organ of support.


It is said that God created the universe by Sound and the Word, and the self replicating sacred geometry of platonic solids and atomic structure must organize as a coherent pattern to exist via vibrations, without vibrations there is nothing.

[junglelord]

I missed a bit of my ending in the last post....

It is said that God created the universe by Sound and the Word, and the self replicating sacred geometry of platonic solids and atomic structure must organize as a coherent pattern to exist via vibrations, without vibrations there is nothing. Heartmath software show standing spiral wave harmonics of PHI that are the feelings of true love, indicate that specific emotions create transcendental harmonics of standing waves. That is quantum coherency at its highest order for good reason.

[shrunkensimon]

Forgive me if i've asked you this already Jungle, but do you have any insights on connecting sacred geometry, going purely from conscious forms/patterns, into material forms/simple atomic structures such as the proton, neutron or electron?

I found this website yesterday, and it is along the lines of what i just asked you. Some interesting stuff there that may be of use to you, although its quite possible you've found it already! http://www.blazelabs.com/f-p-swave.asp

Also, do you feel that there is a "creation of matter" process occuring at "blackholes" for instance? This is something i have pondered upon for a long time, but have yet to see any proper writings or insights on the matter/have not found any yet.

Thanks

[StevenO]

I missed a bit of my ending in the last post....

It is said that God created the universe by Sound and the Word, and the self replicating sacred geometry of platonic solids and atomic structure must organize as a coherent pattern to exist via vibrations, without vibrations there is nothing. Heartmath software show standing spiral wave harmonics of PHI that are the feelings of true love, indicate that specific emotions create transcendental harmonics of standing waves. That is quantum coherency at its highest order for good reason.

Hi Dean,

Coherent patterns in itself are a second order effects. Something has to power the first order effect. You mention vibrations. If that is vibration as a one dimensional repetitive motion I could fully agree, but also constant motion/expansion/compression have the same effect. It are all examples of constant motion.

Dewey Larson, a link pointed out by Lloyd in the "What is charge" forum actually extends the relations as pointed out be Xavier Borg into a consistent ToE based on the simple premise that every point (unit as he calls it) is in constant motion (expansion) and that the space and time dimensions are eachother reciprocal. I'm still fully digesting it, but it is completely in line with Xavier Borg dimensional analysis.

So, how come that each point in the universe is in constant motion? My theory is that the universe can only come into existence by the breaking of a universal symmetry. Because of this symmetry breaking each point into the universe is actually "broken" (have no better word available), so instead of a unit value (1) each point actually has two values, which together must form a unit again. Each point itself represents two scalar values in two connected dimensions, which we have labeled the 'space' and 'time' dimensions. However it should be clear that each space dimension is intrinsically connected with a corresponding time dimension. The only function that support a universal motion (in the form of expansion) is the exponential function. This is why Dewey Larson calls 'universal expansion' the constant motion driving our universe. it explains why photons represent a scalar motion and why the basic functions in nature are based on the exponential function, like the diffusion equation, the Schrodinger equation and the Gaussian function. It also explains the fractal progression of nature. Also be aware that if the universe is contained upon itself a universal expansion or compression is not different from a constant motion.

Probably this explanation creates more questions than answers, but I'm still digesting the Dewey Larson material in combination with Xavier Borgs theories. I hope it will provide as much insight as Mead...

[StevenO]

Though Dewey Larson (http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/dbl/) has virtually no followers, his basic philosophy was shared by the Australian philosopher Samuel Alexander:

His work

Two key concepts for Alexander are those of an 'emergent quality' and the idea of emergent evolution:

As existents within Space-Time, minds enter into various relations of a perfectly general character with other things and with one another. These account for the familiar features of mental life: knowing, freedom, values and the like. In the hierarchy of qualities the next higher quality to the highest attained is deity. God is the whole universe engaged in process towards the emergence of this new quality, and religion is the sentiment in us that we are drawn towards him, and caught in the movement of the world to a higher level of existence.

– Space, Time and Deity [1920] Vol. II, p. 428

His task, as in any metaphysical theory, was to account for every aspect of existing reality in the simplest and most economical basis. Alexander's idea was to start with space and time, each of which he regarded as inconceivable without the other, in fact mutually equivalent. Out of this, pure spacetime emerges, through a process Alexander describes simply as 'motion', the stuff and matter that make up our material world:

Space-Time, the universe in its primordial form, is the stuff out of which all existents are made. It is Space-Time with the characters which we have found it to reveal to experience. But it has no 'quality' save that of being spatio-temporal or motion.

– Space, Time and Deity [1920] Vol. I, p. 342

Motion is not a succession of point-instants, but rather a point-instant is the limiting case of a motion.

– ibid p. 321

Point-instants are real but their separateness from one another is conceptual. They are in fact the elements of motion and in their reality are inseparable from the universe of motion; they are elements in a continuum.

– ibid p. 325

For Time makes Space distinct and Space makes Time distinct... Space or Time, may be regarded as supplying the element of diversity to the element of identity supplied by the other.

– ibid p. 195

Alexander absolutizes spacetime, and even speaks of it as a "stuff’ of which things are made. At the same time he also says that spacetime can be called "Motions"—not motion in the singular, but complexes of motions with kaleidoscopic changes within a continuum. So one might say that for Alexander motion is primitive, and space and time are defined through relations between motions.

Alexander asked the question:

How far a science of order could be founded on this bare conception of ordered parts of Space-Time I do not know. But at any rate the more comprehensive theorems of speculative mathematics at the present time do not thus proceed. They appear to use the conception of Space and Time not as being stuffs, as we have taken them to be, within which there are relations of the parts of Space and Time themselves, but as relational in the sense that they are relations between things or entities. This is the antithesis between absolute and relational

– Space and Time." - ibid p. 168

The question went largely unanswered and his work is mostly ignored (or, at best, little known) these days.

Alexander was a contemporary of Alfred North Whitehead, whom he influenced, and mentored others who went on to become major figures in 20th century British philosophy.