The Baut Black Hole

[Lucas]

Hi

Thought I would share this.

Having read a couple of threads where NEREID threw his/her weight around:

http://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/v ... f=3&t=3406
http://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/v ... =12&t=3806

I thought I would head on over to BAUT and ask them some questions about Black Holes, after all, they have a section called Space/Astronomy questions and answers, and they are the specialists on Black Holes right?

http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php ... blackholes

Having been asked by members to provide links to these alledged mathematical rebuttals of Black Holes I obliged and posted (twice) links to Stephen Crothers papers which have yet to appear on the thread. I also messaged one of the moderators, who so far, has ignored me. I also note that other members have since had their posts approved to appear on my thread. Maybe mine have been lost in cyberspace, gobbled up by a Black Hole?

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Is there a problem with publishing my posts?
I was asked by a member to provide information about this mathematical rebuttal of black holes. I have attempted to provide links to this information on this forum and yet my morning post is still waiting to be published?

Is there a problem?

http://www.ptep-online.com/index_fil...6/PP-05-10.PDF
http://www.sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com/Unicorns.pdf
http://www.sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com/Reynolds.pdf
http://www.sjcrothers.plasmaresource...rticle-1-1.pdf
http://www.sjcrothers.plasmaresource...T-Crothers.pdf
http://www.sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com/REPLY.pdf
http://www.sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com/BB.pdf

Cheers

I suppose my suspicions should have been aroused when it became apparent that you can't post anything on the forum without it first passing moderation, talk about paranoia/censorship, either that, or maybe they are waiting for someone like NEREID to become available to rip the thread to pieces in a spectacular blaze of glory... who knows?

Anyway. NEREID if you read this thread, BAUT has given me the answer to my question, which was, have Black Holes been mathematically refutted. I do believe I can file Black Holes in the same category as magical beasts such as unicorns, just as Mr Crother's suggested.

BAUT ought to be ashamed of itself. This isn't science, it's not even remotely like pseudo-science, it's deception, suppression, control... whatever, it's disgusting.

[Lucas]

Well, in part I must retract my annoyance of BAUT.

Not quite sure how they managed to do it but they have since retrospectively inserted one of my posts into the thread before other member responses.

It's a funny old world...

[Phorce]

It's not just EU and BAUT. It's a sociological phenomenon. Look at Wikipedia where controversial articles are carefully watched by certain characters who carry on in the same fashion. Look at Freud, Jung, Bateson, Reich and many others. They all identify an illness in many people where the life of the mind has become abstracted from reality. A classic example being the refutation of the behaviour of the 99.999% of the Universe that is made up of Plasma. There are similar spectacular refutations of reality in health, politics and other endeavours. Where are all the good psychologists and sociologists around here ?

[Lucas]

Thanks Phorce... for showing an interest.

I was somewhat dismayed with BAUT's behaviour, they answered my question on the strength of some really dubious behaviour and indirectly revealed to me that Mr Crother's was right. I was also somewhat perplexed by NERIEDS response to certain threads here, I assume it's some kind of power trip, although I have seen threads here on the EU forum that point to raids on the 'other' side, so it seems rather tit-for-tat to me.

You raise a really interesting and valid point about the psychology of defending ideas/theories. I've seen it here on EU as well, David Lambright springs to mind. I don't know how valid his claims were, or to what extent they threatened to undermine EU theories, but there was very little compassion or patience when dealing with him.

Sure he came across eccentric, even desperate at times, but he is still a human being...

Cheers

[Nereid]

Lucas, I do not know if you have ever run, or been a moderator or system administrator of, an internet forum or blog. If you have, and if that forum or blog gets even a modest amount of traffic, you'll know that dealing with spam, and spamsters, takes up a huge amount of time.

Different fora and blogs have developed different approaches to dealing with this headache; one way the BAUT Forum deals with it (not, by any means, unique to BAUT) is by preventing a new member from including links in their posts, until their postcount has reached some number (in BAUT's case I think it's 5). This is done automatically, and moderators can manually override it at any time. If they do, it may take more than a day (on most internet forums, and many blogs, moderation etc is entirely voluntary, and the people who perform these tasks nearly always have full-time jobs of their own). As far as I know (AFAIK), someone nearly always lets a newbie know what's happening, and I think that happened to you too.

Concerning Crothers' ideas: as I understand them (and I've read a great deal of what he's written), they are quite technical, involving mathematical aspects of the theory of General Relativity (GR) which are not normally taught until third year or so in undergraduate university physics courses. I myself do not know how anyone who does not have a good grasp of the relevant mathematics can make an informed judgment of his work (if you know of any way to do this, I'd very much like to hear it). With some diligent searching you can find plenty of material on the internet which provide detailed, technical rebuttals of Crothers' ideas; however, I doubt that any of these rebuttals can be understood without a good understanding of the relevant, technical, aspects of GR.

[seasmith]

Mods,

Isn't this Net Talk Forum type material ?

[davesmith_au]

Isn't this Net Talk Forum type material ?

Quite right...

[Lucas]

Mods,

Isn't this Net Talk Forum type material ?

No idea what Net Talk Forum type material is seasmith... perhaps you can elaborate?

I published an experience I had on BAUT regarding a Black Hole thread. Nereid responded?

Black Holes have been discussed here previously:

http://www.thunderbolts.info/mmarchives/090409_ei19.htm
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2009/ ... assive.htm
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/ ... 7tape1.htm
http://www.thunderbolts.info/thunderblo ... others.htm

Also, Mods, in this case davesmith_au, unless it is a different davesmith_au, have been involved in discussions about Black Holes at BAUT here:

http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php ... -.../page2

So what am I doing wrong seasmith?

[Lucas]

After all... the topic of Black Holes does come under this summary doesn't it...?

Has science taken a wrong turn? If so, what corrections are needed? Chronicles of scientific misbehavior. The role of heretic-pioneers and forbidden questions in the sciences. Is peer review working? The perverse "consensus of leading scientists."

Cheers

[davesmith_au]

Lucas, no-one is suggesting anyone did anything wrong. We simply do like to move threads when they are better covered by another board, as in this case:

Many Internet forumshave carried discussion of the Electric Universe hypothesis. Much of that discussion has added more confusion than clarity, due to common misunderstandings of the electrical principles. Here we invite participants to discuss their experiences and to summarize questions that have yet to be answered.

Seasmith was suggesting a thread move, with which I agreed as the BAUT forum is an "internet forum" and there is much confusion and disinformation about EU theory there. This really is the most appropriate thread for this topic.

Dave Smith.
Forum Administrator.