BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

[ElecGeekMom]

Now they're saying that a methane bubble caused the blowout and explosion at the BP well in the Gulf.

Is it possible that whatever forces are causing the increase in volcanism around the world might also have had an impact on the blowout...perhaps in combination with the lack of control mechanisms?

Anybody here have insight into that sort of thing in the oil and gas industry?

[cherokeeroots]

What forces are causing this increase in volcano activity?

[junglelord]

increase? what increase?


Its all cyclic anyway.

[cherokeeroots]

3/1/10 Solomon Islands 7.2
10/1/10 Offshore of Northern California 6.5
12/1/10 Haiti Region 7.0
10/2/10 Illinois 3.8
27/2/10 Offshore Maule, Chile 8.8
5/3/10 Southwest of Sumatra, Indonesia 6.5
4/4/10 Baja California, Mexico 7.2
6/4/10 Northern Sumatra, Indonesia 7.7
11/4/10 Solomon Islands 6.8
11/4/10 Spain 6.3

I couldn't find the figures for last year??

[WCSally]

I heard some rumor about a terror attack, but if they do not want to acknowledge a hit, the methane bubble might be the tonic required.
Interesting that the Methane is so very, very prominent that it kept them from putting that "dome" fix in place (there is a fluid which it could have been filled with to keep the methane from going buoyant I heard, also --not chemistry attuned here).

Now they are going to try and stuff it, and drill a relief well?? ... Certainly there is Plenty of Oil there!!

I think Well Rigs should be secured to the bottom; like a sub sitting on the bottom, (minding the well head). When the well is over, or needs more work the sub is there, and the suits are there, and the issues and problems of "platforms" all become a thing of the past!! Could not be that much more expensive to build service subs instead of platforms, either!!

Subs would be mobile, also, allowing us to drill the North Sea between us and Russia and thumb our nose at the weather up there ... reusable, and crew safety could be engineered into escape suits -- the same suits they use to service the well head -- with GPS locators in them. Drilling is just a temporary visit from the drill ship.

Need to move the oil? Build tanks which float up and sink back down to be filled again held on anchored guides. They do not need to break surface, or cope with waves, they can stay below the surface.

Tankers could either off load crude (not so great) , or they could swap in empty // swap out full containers into the ship below the surface (safer in rough seas) like OIL CARS for the Ocean. ... If they are designed for neutral buoyancy at a certain depth, all the better for the oil ferry maneuvers. These would also all be GPS tagged.

Now if it is all silly concept, just say so ... I am boat phobic, I don't go on them, so I really have no experience!!

It just seems to me that putting a multi-million dollar lily pad over a bunch of pressure-pipes in the middle of the ocean is worse than playing mumbly peg.

[GaryN]

Pastor Lindsey Williams, who has been telling the world for years that oil is abiotic in origin, was on the radio last night, and says he believes that they drilled into a region where the oil pressure was way above anything previously encountered, and this blew out all their safety equipment, but I don't see any info on actual values.
I think they will have to use the 'nuke' option eventually, seems the Russians have used the method a number of times to seal blowouts. And the USA has no shortage of unused nukes...

[GaryN]

Seems they are sending in the nuke guys,along with other experts. Rumor has it that the well pressure is 160-170,000 PSI, I think most are under 60,000, so maybe the protectors couldn't deal with such pressure, even working correctly.

Don't know who this guy is, but if he's correct, we could be in BIG trouble:

http://video.godlikeproductions.com/vid ... N_WE_THINK

[WCSally]

Seems they are sending in the nuke guys,along with other experts. Rumor has it that the well pressure is 160-170,000 PSI, I think most are under 60,000, so maybe the protectors couldn't deal with such pressure, even working correctly.

Don't know who this guy is, but if he's correct, we could be in BIG trouble:

http://video.godlikeproductions.com/vid ... N_WE_THINK

Oh my. What about putting the larger box over the well head and filling it with molten lead?
NO, liquid lead on crude = fire.

How about a hollow shell in a bell shape, fill the hollow inside the shell with molten lead?

Cut a hole in a retired submarine and sink the hole over the well, then concrete the whole item to the bottom. Faster than making a hollow bell!!

If necessary drop a larger second hollow lead fill-able bell over the first? Might be better than collapsing the crust, --- and hey, isn't a nuke going to do a lot of collapsing anyway? ---- if this is just a big, big pocket of "mostly natural gas" ... and lots of oil with it?
...
We could have the Biggest Texas Barbecue ever seen, and make enough pollution to bring down the temps for a long time to come ... our own volcano sans magma!!

I know a nuke eats up the air (in the air) ... this is water ... right?

Is it really the same? --- esp. if there is lots of methane in the immediate vicinity? .. and that methane is going to come up, very likely if they make a big boom!!
Certain if the crust collapses.

So either they stop up the hole, or the methane burns, or the methane flies ... last two ways we have very, very large issues.

And if it does all go to heck in a hand basket, will we get the following earthquake and tsunami (with the spill on top of it) ... and will they evac or consider evac? ... Texas will not desert Texans, but there is much more than Texas hanging out in the danger zone in this one. (AND .. has anyone told anything to any foreign countries yet?)

[lizzie]

ElecGeekMom said: Anybody here have insight into that sort of thing in the oil and gas industry?

IMHO most of these so-called “disasters” are acts of sabotage carried out by the usual culprits -- the SCRAP merchants -- an elite crime syndicate run out of the City of London -- the same “folks” who brought us 911, the "failed levees" during Hurricane Katarina, the London bombings, etc.

Sabotage of BP Deepwater Horizon drilling rig - cat bonds - catastrophic event
http://www.abeldanger.net/2010/05/sabot ... rizon.html

UKIP – Cameron Crony Saboteurs – Boot on Neck of BP

Hawks CAFE asks you to investigate the role of David Cameron and his crony associates in HM Treasury, the European Union and the U.S. Senior Executive Service, following the apparent sabotage of BP's Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico.

Our KSM agents have evidence that Mr. Cameron and Norman Lamont, a former N.M. Rothschild banker and Cameron's former boss in HM Treasury, transferred Met Office / MOD assets into the custody of the crony members and their customers in the Legal Sector Alliance and authorized the use of the assets to sabotage the Deepwater Horizon, trigger cat-bond insurance frauds and launch a naked short-selling attack on BP's shares.
http://www.legalsectoralliance.com/about/members

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 225#p34950

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 240#p34964

Meet the “Mischief Makers”
http://abeldanger.blogspot.com/2010/02/ ... akers.html

[WCSally]

I have read No Logo + parts of her other books --- and associated on disaster capitalism .. Greatly dismayed that people (are they people?) can think like that!!

But the issue is ... (whether the fat cats are ally fighting each other or not) .. there is a very big problem --- if what is stated in the video is correct.

If the oil is bringing out lots of rocks and the crust could collapse ... or if they blast and the edge of the dome over the whole cracks ... that is staggering, like Yellowstone for the Caribbean! Only it is Yellowstone with massive amounts of flaming Methane and burning oil, or flying methane and floating oil ...

One has to hope for an easy fix.

I was very much in favor of development of Gulf Oil .. ... ... I just did not know it had such complications attached (well head pressure, vast methane deposit, crumbly dome ...??? ... )

[lizzie]

W C Sally said: But the issue is ... Greatly dismayed that people (are they people?) can think like that!! (whether the fat cats are ally fighting each other or not) ... there is a very big problem --- if what is stated in the video is correct.

Well unfortunately there are people who think like that – they are the “merchants of war” – our “elite leaders” or the “respectable pillars of our societies”. They put an enormous amount of time and effort into creating those images of “respectability.” In reality they appear to be nothing more than the Mafioso with "advanced degrees" from Oxford, Yale and Harvard

IMHO the “oil rig disaster” is just a "scaled down" verson of 911 or Katarina. Wherever Halleburton goes, so go the SCRAP merchants. As to the cause of the disaster, it will be whatever the media spins for us since most of them work for the SCRAP merchants.

There is a lawsuit pending so the plaintiffs must think that they have the evidence to prove it. So perhaps it's not a question of "if" but "when" they can prove.

The two investigators are hardly what I would call “lightweights” or “conspiracy theorists”

David Hawkins
http://www.abeldanger.net/2010/01/sourc ... .html#more

Field McConnell
http://www.abeldanger.net/2010/01/field ... .html#more

DRAFT 45 PREAMBLE FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL REMEDY TO PRIVATE-EQUITY RACKETEERING AND TWO-PARTY CORRUPTION IN GLOBAL GUARDIAN 9/11
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Claim for Punitive and Treble Damages for Wrongful Deaths on 9/11/2001 resulting from movement of sex, sabotage and murder-for-hire assets by the racketeering use of interstate or foreign commerce networks, financed by Private Equity, Arbitrage, Insurance and Hedge Fund Frauds between October 1970 and September 2001.

Prove that the defendants are related to Canadian International Development Agency and CAI-Carlyle Private Equity Groups which are allegedly engaged in the extortion of leaders of the Queen’s Privy Council of Canada, the U.S. Departments of Justice and State and the UN Environment Programme and traders in Carbon Emission Credits under the Kyoto Protocol, collectively ‘GLOBAL GUARDIANS’.

Ask courts to stop private-equity use of interstate or foreign commerce to move private assets on public networks or public assets, including assets of pension funds, insurance companies and banks, on private networks and prevent defendants from absconding with assets, hiring assassins and extorting federal and state politicians.

[GaryN]

The world is awash with oil, as the big boys know. The only reason all the exploration goes on is that it is tax deductible. The last thing they want to do is pay their fair share of taxes, so they give the money to their buddies, who then contract some more buddies, a very incestuous affair.

WCSally:

If the oil is bringing out lots of rocks and the crust could collapse ... or if they blast and the edge of the dome over the whole cracks ... that is staggering, like Yellowstone for the Caribbean! Only it is Yellowstone with massive amounts of flaming Methane and burning oil, or flying methane and floating oil ...

I hadn't imagined a collapse with the pressures involved, rather a blowout. Hollywood and computer graphics could have a field day with this idea, big gas clouds, people dying in droves, birds falling out of the sky, a big undersea mound rising and finally an oil eruption, earthquakes and lightning, huge explosions and tidal waves of oil. Yeehaw!
I think they will need to call in the Russians eventually. They have had a lot of experience using nukes to form underground gas storage chambers, large spheres where the rock is transformed to a gas-tight glassy melt. Melting the seabed should fuse the hole closed, and there would be very little shockwave fracturing of the bedrock, which is the present worry about the nuke option. Trust me.
An inside job has to be a consideration. Rumor has it that Goldman Sucks went short the Gulf a couple of days before the event, and a drilling restriction would push up oil prices on the perceived supply shortages to come. Oil is such a filthy, toxic substance, we need to get away from it altogether. Alcohol is the way to go. The Brazilians took Buckminster Fullers advice 30 years ago, and went for ethanol production as a key part of their infrastructure, and better enzymes are making methanol production look attractive too.

[WCSally]

Wow, Lizzie,

I had no idea, but I suppose I can imagine that it could be ... as unhappy a prospect as that is. Thanks for the info!

[WCSally]

... using nukes to form underground gas storage chambers, large spheres where the rock is transformed to a gas-tight glassy melt. Melting the seabed should fuse the hole closed, and there would be very little shockwave fracturing of the bedrock, which is the present worry about the nuke option. Trust me.

Whew, I feel better now!

I have a tendency to see the worst first .. which is not always comforting, and does not always leave the level headed logic in the best position to proceed. [[You are correct, it would make a big (and non violent) item for media, but I don't want to engender protests against off shore drilling]] ...

The Gulf and the Sea between us and Russia up north are chock a block with stuff we need. And if you have seen the film where it compares the water going over Niagara Falls with oil consumption for one day in the US ... (many minutes of many,many thousands of gallons) ... it is clear that without this stuff for at least the short term, we are in a very bad way.

The rest of that not being said .... I am glad that we don't need to worry about a dome fracture!!

Thank you!!

[lizzie]

Abiotic oil: Fact, Disinfo or “Conspiracy Theory”?

Hint:

1) Follow the money
2) Qui bono (who benefits)
3) Who owns the technology (the patents) of the industry

Fossils From Animals And Plants Are Not Necessary For Crude Oil And Natural Gas, Swedish Researchers Find
http://viewzone2.com/abioticoilx.html

Proponents of so-called "abiotic oil" claim that the proof is found in the fact that many capped wells, which were formerly dry of oil, are found to be plentiful again after many years, They claim that the replenished oil is manufactured by natural forces in the Earth's mantle.

Critics of the abiotic theory disagree. They claim that capped wells may appear to refill after a few years, but they are not regenerating. It is simply an effect of oil slowly migrating through pore spaces from areas of high pressure to the low-pressure area of the drill hole. If this oil is drawn out, it will take even longer for the hole to refill again. They hold that oil is a non-renewable resource generated and deposited under special biological and geological conditions.

Until now these believers in "abiotic oil" have been dismissed as professing "bad science" but -- alas -- a new study has proven them correct!

Reported in ScienceDaily, researchers at the Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) in Stockholm have managed to prove that fossils from animals and plants are not necessary for crude oil and natural gas to be generated. The findings are revolutionary since this means, on the one hand, that it will be much easier to find these sources of energy and, on the other hand, that they can be found all over the globe.

The abiotic oil formation theory suggests that crude oil is the result of naturally occurring and possibly ongoing geological processes. This theory was developed in the Soviet Union during the Cold War, as the Union needed to be self sufficient in terms of producing its own energy. The science behind the theory is sound and is based on experimental evidence in both the laboratory and in the field. This theory has helped to identify and therefore develop large numbers of gas and oil deposits. Examples of such fields are the South Khylchuyu field and the controversial Sakhalin II field.

In its simplest form, the theory is that carbon present in the magma beneath the crust reacts with hydrogen to form methane as well as a raft of other mainly alkane hydrocarbons. The reactions are more complicated than this, with several intermediate stages. Particular mineral rocks such as granite and other silicon based rocks act as catalysts, which speed up the reaction without actually becoming involved or consumed in the process.

Experiments have shown that under extreme conditions of heat and pressure it is possible to convert iron oxide, calcium carbonate and water into methane, with hydrocarbons containing up to 10 carbon atoms being produced by Russian scientists last century and confirmed in recent US experiments. The absence of large quantities of free gaseous oxygen in the magma prevents the hydrocarbons from burning and therefore forming the lower energy state molecule carbon dioxide. The conditions present in the Earth's mantle would easily be sufficient for these small hydrocarbon chains to polymerise into the longer chain molecules found in crude oil.

Abiotic Oil
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Oil-Peak ... 5267.shtml

Mikhail Lomonosov was the first to emit in the 18th century the biotic (organic) theory of petroleum origin, considered to be the product of decomposition under certain anaerobic (oxygen free) conditions of pressure and temperature (60 to 120o C) of plant and animal corpses (mainly marine plankton, not large corpses of dinosaurs, how people would think) along the geological eras (hence, the name fossil fuels), accumulating in exhaustible pouches... At temperatures of 120 �C to 220 �C, thermal cracking turned long chained hydrocarbons of oil into the short chained hydrocarbons of natural gas.

One century later, the Russian Dmitri Mendeleev, the creator of the periodic table of elements, and the French chemist Marcellin Berthelot, emitted their theory that the oil forms deep in the inner Earth, sipping constantly to the surface of the planet, like the magma of volcanoes. Lomonosov's theory was confirmed, Mendeleev remained with the merit of the table, but his theory has come so convenient for both oil producers and many people...

The partisans of the abiotic theory talk about world conspiracy, like in the case of astronauts seeing UFOs.

Some say that the biotic theory was accepted when detection and exploitation methods used backward technology at the beginning of the 20th century, which could drill only in sedimentary formations. Later, oil fields were also found in basins with crystalline rocks, where they were believed impossible to find, like White Tiger basin, off Vietnam shores, located on a granite bed, but also Athabasca Tar Sands (Canada), Orinoco Heavy Oil Belt (Venezuela) and the Ghawar Field (Saudi Arabia).

The abiogenic theory has a support in the ubiquity of hydrocarbons in the solar system, and oil may originate from carbon-bearing fluids which migrate upward from the mantle. But those space hydrocarbons are mainly short-chain non-organic molecules, like methane and ethane.

Oil would be located in the pores of the collecting rocks, like water in the pores of a sponge, and it would be all about the speed of extraction: a rapid and massive extraction would apparently exhaust the deposit, but in years, it would be refilled. Russian researchers say they have found oil fields believed to be exhausted after one century of exploitation, and actually soaked with fuel at the border between Georgia and Azerbaijan, but also one well in Grozny (the capital of Chechnya). Similar cases would have been signaled in the Carpathian area and South America.