John Taylor Gatto on Life and Education

[junglelord]

John Taylor Gatto is an American retired school teacher of 29 years 8 months and author of several books on education.
He was NYC teacher of the year. He is an activist critical of compulsory schooling and the hegemonic nature of discourse on education and the education professions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x-6G7tO ... om/?p=6945

At ten years old I understood all this stuff. At ten years old I determined to teach myself for ever.
Organized education is ment to make you fit in....not to develop your talents or your journey.

Rockerfeller and JP Morgan developed this system to a large extent.


Wonder what happened to Tesla and education?


No need to guess anymore.....

[junglelord]

John Taylor Gatto speaks about our schools brainwashing our society starting when we are children. A different look at the modern education system in most of the western world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz9_o76z ... re=related

[altonhare]

JL linked here so I thought I'd comment.

I'm generally in agreement that public school is in a sad state on all fronts. I don't know if I ascribe to a "grand conspiracy", I think the standardization of public school is a function of ultra specialization and the push for ever-increasing efficiency at all costs. I fully intend to teach my own children everything they need to know.

Fortunately children in America have alternatives to public school. My sister was completely home schooled and was accepted to a major university. In general one doesn't have to go through the standard public school system, it's *not* compulsory. If people's children are learning habits/behaviors/etc. that their parents don't like then the parents can remove their children from that situation. It is entirely the choice of the parents and they bear significant responsibility, not just the state. The state is offering a service that you can either accept or reject. If parents believe that public school is "necessary" that is at least a significant failing of their own. Certainly additional thinking, research, and attention on the part of parents would have made them aware of something they disapproved of.

It's true that each of us has to pay taxes, which partly go to funding public school. When the situation gets so bad that almost nobody approves of some service the government is offering, but the gov't still demands taxes/compensation, then this generally results in a revolution/rebellion a la the Boston Tea Party.

[junglelord]

America ranks last on the education profile itself....the dumbing down of america is complete.
The people who are mentioned, Rockafeller, J. P. Morgan, are both responsible for both the education system and the federal reserve, as well as the omisson of Tesla....you do the math.

[altonhare]

America ranks last on the education profile itself....the dumbing down of america is complete.
The people who are mentioned, Rockafeller, J. P. Morgan, are both responsible for both the education system and the federal reserve, as well as the omisson of Tesla....you do the math.

Since America ranks last, it is the responsibility of its citizens to evacuate the public school system and set up their own. People have personal responsibility.

Nobody is forcing anyone to be "dumbed down". Mountains of information on multitudes of topics are contained in public and private libraries, bookstores, and on the internet. If some particular topics have been suppressed/censored by the state then that is wrong and they should pay the consequences. It is the responsibility of those with evidence of this behavior to make their case known to everyone and expose this misbehavior.

Unfortunately it's not a perfect world, and sometimes injustices go unpunished. But it seems to me that anyone with a brain can go into a library and, with effort and motivation, acquire the knowledge needed to practice any discipline of science. This is an opportunity people did not have in the not-too-distant past. Every person may not have access to The Secret to Life or similar level bodies of knowledge, but that which has the highest value will always be hoarded and protected by the few who hold it. That's just the way things are.

[junglelord]

All schooling at home or at government run agencies, both follow the same course outline.
So how is it that your not participating in the brain washing?
You mention librarys.... at what point did technolgical information become available to the public that was top secret?
You really think the modern physics is worth learning??????
How about modern cosmology????
So how far and how deep do the lies go?
Back to the problem at hand, that 98% of the population go to public school.
They are last place in world standings.
And you see no problem with that?

Glad I am not american.

[altonhare]

Back to the problem at hand, that 98% of the population go to public school.
They are last place in world standings.
And you see no problem with that?

Glad I am not american.

Since America ranks last, it is the responsibility of its citizens to evacuate the public school system and set up their own. People have personal responsibility.

I'm generally in agreement that public school is in a sad state on all fronts. I don't know if I ascribe to a "grand conspiracy", I think the standardization of public school is a function of ultra specialization and the push for ever-increasing efficiency at all costs. I fully intend to teach my own children everything they need to know.

[altonhare]

All schooling at home or at government run agencies, both follow the same course outline.
So how is it that your not participating in the brain washing?
You mention librarys.... at what point did technolgical information become available to the public that was top secret?
You really think the modern physics is worth learning??????
How about modern cosmology????
So how far and how deep do the lies go?
Back to the problem at hand, that 98% of the population go to public school.
They are last place in world standings.
And you see no problem with that?

Glad I am not american.

You seem to be implying that people somehow have a RIGHT to another person's knowledge/genius. The fact is, what you don't learn on your own, you learn by the good-will and charity of others. If you're not Tesla and can't figure out what he knew on your own, then the only way you understand what Tesla did is because he bequeathed it to posterity. He was not compelled to release a single iota of his knowledge.

The fact is, some people are smarter and more brilliant, others are stronger, and still others are more charismatic. What one gains by one's own effort and talent is not owed to anyone else. If the government seized Tesla's secrets, well nobody had a right to them anyway, including the gov't. Those that comprise the parts of the gov't that know "top secret" information got themselves there either through their own means or by finding those with the means and the good will.

If public school sucks it is the responsibility of the parents to teach their children about the world. If the parents want their child to know physics then they better know physics! If they don't, they're now at the mercy of those who do know physics. Hopefully they have friends with the good will to bequeath their time and physics knowledge upon the children.

There is no evidence that, in the history of mankind, there was once perfect equality or perfect access to all knowledge. On the contrary, in most ancient cultures the masses were generally disallowed from reading and learning. In these times the erudite hoarded their knowledge and took advantage of their superior position and personal talent. And they had every right to do so!

If you're not Arnold (or someone with similar physical talent) you don't have a RIGHT to bench 500 lbs. If you're not Tesla (or someone with similar mental talent) you don't have a RIGHT to know the fundamental nature of the universe. These people did not achieve what they achieved because they had a right to, they achieved it because they were ABLE. Many people achieve far beyond their personal means because they live in communities where generally accepted practice is to share. If a person stops sharing what s/he has then the group shuns them. The person had every right to hoard their i.e. knowledge.

[junglelord]

If you're not Arnold (or someone with similar physical talent) you don't have a RIGHT to bench 500 lbs. If you're not Tesla (or someone with similar mental talent) you don't have a RIGHT to know the fundamental nature of the universe.

Might makes right, now you have given the secret of the universe to the industrial military complex....good going.

[altonhare]

If you're not Arnold (or someone with similar physical talent) you don't have a RIGHT to bench 500 lbs. If you're not Tesla (or someone with similar mental talent) you don't have a RIGHT to know the fundamental nature of the universe.

Might makes right, now you have given the secret of the universe to the industrial military complex....good going.

I never had the secret of the universe, how could I give it?

[junglelord]

Your own definitions support the 12 point leverage system and above top secret clearence.
If you think they do not know the secret of the universe, then we differ.
I think they know exactly how to fly a UFO, how to build them, and how to keep it out of your hands.

The problem with might makes right is this. Rockets are not smart enough to be aware of civilians and children. The targeting of civilians, whether by Hamas or by Israel, is potentially a war crime. Every human life is precious. But the numbers speak for themselves: Nearly 700 Palestinians, most of them civilians, have been killed since the conflict broke out at the end of last year. In contrast, there have been around a dozen Israelis killed, many of them soldiers. Negotiation is a much more effective way to deal with rockets and other forms of violence. The industrial-military complex has other agendas.

If you think its good the way things are, then your one funny guy.

Physics is a wash, education is a wash, media is a wash, and your brain scrubbed clean.

All charge is distribued, all distributed charge and magnetic fields are curved. ES charge is what we all call EM. EM is the strong nuclear force. There is no weak force, it is an interaction between ES and EM geometry. Frequency is a two domain operation, linear and distributed, distributed being quantum resonance. Fornier transforms are so revealing because frequency is the proper dimensional approach. Resonance of the EU is instant via longitudinal scalar waves in the aether.

you cannot see that, and I know why.

[lizzie]

Alton Hare said: You seem to be implying that people somehow have a RIGHT to another person's knowledge/genius. The fact is, what you don't learn on your own, you learn by the good-will and charity of others. If you're not Tesla and can't figure out what he knew on your own, then the only way you understand what Tesla did is because he bequeathed it to posterity. He was not compelled to release a single iota of his knowledge.

I believe Junglelord is saying that all people should have equal access to information.

Why do I get the impression that Alton Hare places himself in that category of “a person with genius.”

Tesla chose to share his knowledge. I wonder if Alton Hare would be as generous as Tesla was. Time will tell whether Alton Hare has the same kind of genius as Tesla. In the meantime, I'm not holding my breath.

[altonhare]

I believe Junglelord is saying that all people should have equal access to information.

I agree, they should. But nobody has a right to it. The only information anyone has a "right" to is what they discover themselves.

If you're brilliant enough you can rediscover everything Tesla did. If you're not you can't. If Tesla gives you all his work you get it for free because he specifically decided to give it to *you*.

Why do I get the impression that Alton Hare places himself in that category of “a person with genius.”

Probably because you think I'm conceited.

Tesla chose to share his knowledge.

Did he choose to share it with you specifically? Or JL? Or me? He published works and wrote things down. No particular person had a right to them.

[Grey Cloud]

Read Thomas Jefferson's views on education (or any subject for that matter). One of my heroes.
The word 'educate' comes from a Greek word which means 'to draw out'. Education in the modern sense means to cram in.

[lizzie]

Gray Cloud said: Education in the modern sense means to cram in.

Education in the modern sense means to cram in false teachings, misinformation, and utter nonsense. it seems that the more of this nonsense (no sense) that you "cram in", the more "educated" you think you are.

P.S. My nonsense is superior to your nonsense because quite obviously I attended a far superior institution of higher unlearning that you did, but perhaps not quite as superior an the institution of higher unlearning attended by Alton Hare.