Gravity makes a COMEBACK in astrophysics (no joke ! )

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Gravity makes a COMEBACK in astrophysics (no joke ! )

Post by bdw000 » Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:58 pm

Check out this article for some really sad news:

http://mytechnologyworld9.blogspot.com/ ... ysics.html
New computer visualization technology developed by the Harvard Initiative in Innovative Computing has helped astrophysicists understand that gravity plays a larger role than previously thought in deep space's vast, star-forming molecular clouds.
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Makes you want to cry.

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Re: Gravity makes a COMEBACK in astrophysics (no joke ! )

Post by junglelord » Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:44 pm

Maybe somebody should tell them about Coluombs Constant, the Permittivity and Permeability of Space, Electrostatic Charge, Electromagnetic Charge, Compton Wavelength, Plancks Constant, Conductivity of the Aether, Distributed Charge models....that would be an even better model of space. Birkeland Currents and Plasma Physics exist with these parameters as well as gravity.
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Re: Gravity makes a COMEBACK in astrophysics (no joke ! )

Post by earls » Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:41 pm

They admit the important part:

"most of the changes in the clouds come from turbulence"

The statement vaguely reminds me of something else I read:

"Planet formation could lie in stellar storms rather than gravitational instability"

http://www.physorg.com/news148315121.html

Storms? Turbulence?

I believe we should start a pool on when it is announced that gravity is (produced, a result of) electromagnetic phenomenon. Perhaps we should start with the year? My guess? 2014. What can I say, I'm an optimist. Within five years... The data is becoming incontrovertible. Everything else is semantics.

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Re: Gravity makes a COMEBACK in astrophysics (no joke ! )

Post by Solar » Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:43 am

Previous technology, Goodman said, doesn't allow for careful consideration of what she described as "hierarchical" structure — essentially regions within regions — and would have obscured specific details in the molecular cloud, such as nested areas of varying density and a physical break from one area to another.
Excuse me; but the characteristic of "... hierarchical structure" and "regions within regions" is a well known electro-plasma dynamic often referred to as "self-organization". A characteristic noted by Erving Langmuir which also led to the predicted recognition by Hannes Alfven that astrophysical plasma would take on a hierarchical "cellular" nature.

The term "molecular clouds" is another way of referring to a 'cellular cloud' of plasma in "dark mode" as may be found in the works of several EU/Plasma Cosmology pioneers.

Now simulations from data can represent the dynamic of 'hierarchically nested' plasma cells which should have individual and "hierarchical" double-layers defining their individual and collective boarders.
These popular models, Kauffmann said, assume that most of the changes in the clouds come from turbulence and that it is only after turbulence pushes molecules close enough that gravity comes into play.
Once denser groupings of molecules are formed and gravity becomes a factor, they attract more and more particles until either something disrupts them or they have enough mass to collapse and form a star.
But it is the process up to the point where the dense groupings form that Goodman and colleagues examined. Their analysis shows that, rather than turbulence being the only significant force pushing these gas molecules around, their gravitational influence on each other is also significant. That finding means that existing models, which leave gravity out until very dense clumps have formed, would over-predict the rate of star formation in these clouds.
Note the vague, unspecified use of the word "turbulence". I would posit that gravity is not making any sort of "comeback" what so ever but that these simulations probably keep gravity in more of a proper perspective in relation to the still overwhelming forces of electricity and plasma which either aren't accounted for or are indirectly referenced using the word "turbulence". This article sounds like a software advertisement as opposed to anything new and original regarding the influence of gravity.

When considered from the Plasma Cosmology perspective and or work from the still emergent field of Plasma Physics once again well known electro-plasma interactions such as "anomalous transport", "bulk flow", [kink]"instabilities", plasma "modes" which may "couple" to other "modes", "toroidicity" relaxation", "dissipation", and yes; plasma are quite unstable and can exhibit an amorphous fluidity that when coupled with long-range electromagnetic interactions can be summed to 'global turbulence' for the particular plasma cell and/or hierarchical region(s) in question.

Lets not forget that plasma oriented 2D and 3D MHD simulations which can be directly related to astrophysical plasma have have been around for quite some time as well:

"Plasma Transport due to the Kelvin-Helmholtz Instability: 2D and 3D MHD Simulations and Cluster observations" (large pdf file that desperately needs a shorter title)

When referring to electricity and plasma the vortex relation of interacting plasma regimes is more properly considered as a "Diocotron instability" anagolous to the Kelvin-Helmholtz instability.

Speaking of celestial storms:A "Tornado" in Space

"A Tornado in Space (2)"

Solar Tornadoes

Peratt Simulation of galay formation

As far as "gravitational instability" goes this is accounted for via the Per Carlqvist Relation wherein "gravity is neglible". It's not discounted.

Traditional gravity based cosmology is an over emphasized 'field of study' within the larger picture.
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Re: Gravity makes a COMEBACK in astrophysics (no joke ! )

Post by bdw000 » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:08 pm

You know, regarding all those "computer simulations" being trotted out as evidence of pet theories, do you think if we produced a "computer simulation" (i.e. cartoon) of the resurrection of Jesus, that all those physicists and astronomers would accept THAT "computer simulation" as evidence that Jesus died for their sins????? :o

The absurdity of it all.

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Re: Gravity makes a COMEBACK in astrophysics (no joke ! )

Post by earls » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:25 pm

Computer simulations are an invaluable tool. While I do subscribe to the "garbage in, garbage out" doctrine, all too often computer simulations are quickly criticized or ignored. While the "results" of any computer simulations maybe as fictional as pixie dust, they provide a beautiful baseline to guide research.

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Re: Gravity makes a COMEBACK in astrophysics (no joke ! )

Post by webolife » Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:19 pm

Earl, I think you meant "pixel" dust... :lol:
I am more in agreement with your garbage-in-garbage-out comment than with the usefulness of guiding research. A picture is worth a thousand words, and a comp sim worth a million. But that does not in any way establish the veracity of a simulation. As is the case with science in general, whatever presuppositions are built into the "hypothesis" will drive the conclusions of the program and/or research. I rather think that computer sims are an instrument of paradigm promotion and/or dismantlement. The real usefulness of a computer sim is propaganda. On the thread topic, I don't think gravity isn't "going" anywhere... but the standard paradigms of nebular condensation and bigbangism could use some real dismantling... ah yes, here is the EU.
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Re: Gravity makes a COMEBACK in astrophysics (no joke ! )

Post by bdw000 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:39 pm

earls wrote:Computer simulations are an invaluable tool. While I do subscribe to the "garbage in, garbage out" doctrine, all too often computer simulations are quickly criticized or ignored. While the "results" of any computer simulations maybe as fictional as pixie dust, they provide a beautiful baseline to guide research.
There is nothing wrong with computer simulations per se, just as long as they are not given the same clout as EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE.

When a computer sim is viewed as EVIDENCE supporting new ideas about reality THAT CANNOT BE TESTED EXPERIMENTALLY, that is where they err terribly. It is all about making unjustifiable claims to knowledge. Possibilites, sure, Knowlege, no way.

Here's something from another thread showing the problem:
Re: Electricity and Plasma, from Micro to Macro and Beyond...
by ZeuZ on Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:03 pm

Plasma scaling is the most interesting aspect about plasma in my opinion. Thats how people get data about planets (or the suns) magnetic fields from using Terellas, a shame that most Terellas have been replaced with computer simulations that dont tend to show the effects that Birkeland and others achieved with actual experiments.
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