GPS has already proved it. To an observer on earth does a clock on board a GPS satellite tick the same rate as one on Earth? The answer is no. Does that same clock say light travels at c at its receptors? The answer is yes. So c is two different velocities at the same time, or a hundred if you have one hundred differently situated clocks??? Ridiculous. It appears the same for every observer because the receptors where light is measured are at the same location as the clock and shares the same vibrational rate as the clock. This is why no matter your velocity c is always c as the atoms in the clock, receptor and all sharing that location or velocity all vibrate at the same rate. Yet GPS has shown that to every other observer they tick at different rates.Goldminer wrote:If you truly believe your statement here, please supply some proof. IMHO, you seem to be confused as to exactly what Einstein did to confuse the situation.sjw40364 wrote:As I posted in Silly Einstein, debates about clocks are useless as they ARE NOT ticking at the same rate:
sjw40364 wrote:This discrepency[sic] of time occurs because Einstein has fooled most people. He has convinced them that it has nothing to do with the technical nature of the clocks or the time of propagation of any signal..
No, the doubt remains.sjw40364 wrote:sjw40364 wrote:It IS due to the technical nature of the clocks which GPS has proven beyond a doubt.
So, where is your source for your claim that "Clocks (i.e. atoms) occilate[sic] at different rates depending on thier[sic] nearness to an EM source, the quantity of matter present or thier[sic] acceleration?" This statement of yours, which you just keep repeating, seems to be just something you imagine to be true.sjw40364 wrote:sjw40364 wrote:Clocks (i.e. atoms) occilate[sic] at different rates depending on thier[sic] nearness to an EM source, the quantity of matter present or thier[sic] acceleration. Clocks in orbit do not tick the same rate because the atoms are not ocillating[sic] at the same rate. If you are present it appears the clock has not changed because every atom in your body is also occilating[sic] at a different rate than before (consistent with the clock near you, but different than a clock situated on earth). Does anyone actually believe that the atoms in our bodies do not occilate[sic] differently depending on surounding[sic] conditions? This affects your senses (sight, etc). Clocks A and B do not agree because they are occilating[sic] at different rates. if you are near A the atoms in your body are occilating[sic] at the same change as A and so it appears to be correct while B is incorrect. If near B the opposite.
Particularly the part about: "nearness to an EM source." What do you want us to believe about that? Do you mean your cell phone? The Sun?
When people begin to "shout" in all caps, I just turn the page.sjw40364 wrote:sjw40364 wrote:People need to stop trying to bend space and just accept the simple fact that atoms occilate[sic] at different rates depending on how they are situated with respect to others. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CONSTANT ANYWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE!
The clocks change rates with distance from an EM source which lessens energy input or velocity which increases energy input. You notice no difference at each clock because all your detectors at those clocks share that energy field. The only other alternative is that light magically changes speed to remain at the same velocity when yours changes. Magic or clocks are not constant, which to choose?