Why I believed in Black Holes!

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Why I believed in Black Holes!

Unread postby junglelord » Sat May 10, 2008 7:23 am

I began playing drums at ten. By the time I was 16 in 1976, being canadian, I became heavily influenced by the Canadian rock trio Rush, and especially by their drummer Neil Peart aka the professor. Neil would write a song called Cygnus X-1, a song about the first discovered blackhole. It was also at the age of 16 I got the book Einstein’s Universe. My belief in black holes was born!

These are the lyrics. The first two verses are done as voice through a synthesizer, very cool.

CYGNUS X-1
In the constellation of cygnus
There lurks a mysterious, invisible force
The black hole
Of cygnus x-1

Six stars of the northern cross
In mourning for their sisters loss
In a final flash of glory
Nevermore to grace the night....

1
Invisible
To telescopic eye
Infinity
The star that would not die

All who dare
To cross her course
Are swallowed by
A fearsome force

Through the void
To be destroyed
Or is there something more?
Atomized ---- at the core
Or through the astral door ----
To soar....

2
I set a course just east of lyra
And northwest of pegasus
Flew into the light of deneb
Sailed across the milky way

On my ship, the rocinante
Wheeling through the galaxies,
Headed for the heart of cygnus
Headlong into mystery

The x-ray is her siren song
My ship cannot resist her long
Nearer to my deadly goal
Until the black hole ----
Gains control....

3
Spinning, whirling,
Still descending
Like a spiral sea,
Unending

Sound and fury
Drowns my heart
Every nerve
Is torn apart....

Neil Peart/Rush


This is Cygnus X-1 by Rush STUDIO VERSION from the album Farewell to KIngs, 1976, come for a musical journey down a black hole
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3FzGAy1gck

This is a live segment! Just a partial portion (Ends with Working Man) but so cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to-PAFG25uI

And the R30 tour intro which has a Cygnus X-1 segment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P02vqvM8rwA

Thats my kind of music, my kind of drumming, I even got a 24 karat gold Rush R30 anniversay snare, weighs about 40 pds.

I name all of my snare drums...this is Fat Boy cause its the name neil had for his and because its so heavy.

FAT BOY
DW Neil Peart Edge
Drum Workshop introduced a special Collector's Series Edge snare drum.
DW Edge 30TH Anniversary Neil Peart snare
14X6 Brass center/Maple Rings
24 Karat Gold hardware
10 lugs
The Neil Peart Edge snare drum features
DW’s exclusive brass and maple Edge design.
that includes Rush’s famous “Starman” logo and
is finished to match Neil’s own kit in Black Mirra
Lacquer finish with 24-karat gold hardware and
DW's new Delta ball-bearing throw-off.

Image


You can see my snare drum and drum collection here (except my electonic drums, no picture of them on that thread).
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/show ... hp?t=37672
:D :D
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Re: Why I believed in Black Holes!

Unread postby Plasmatic » Sat May 10, 2008 11:24 am

This is not a myspace page JL. Putting a title with black holes in it doesnt make this relevent at all to the forum.
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Re: Why I believed in Black Holes!

Unread postby junglelord » Sat May 10, 2008 12:15 pm

Yes it does. Black holes are not real. That is a mad idea. I came here believing in black holes. I mearly wanted to tell people why I had such a mad idea for years and how it came about personally for me.

Some people like Dave Smith always knew the universe was electric and always knew black holes were not real.

I was not so intuitive.
:D

My intent was for the thread to be a discussion of why anyone believed in black holes for so long, if they did, and maybe a personal story like mine.

After all the EU pulled us out of that classical mess.

I am now a great man.
:D
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Casting Out the Nines from PHI into Indigs reveals the Cosmic Harmonic Code.
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Re: Why I believed in Black Holes!

Unread postby redeye » Mon May 12, 2008 8:46 am

This is not a myspace page JL. Putting a title with black holes in it doesnt make this relevent at all to the forum.


I don't know...Rush are kind of a "conceptual" band, you tend to get a lot more than just music when you buy a Rush album. As a result people are strongly invested in them and identify themselves as "Rush fans".

Likewise, Blackholes. A complicated concept and requires some brainbending to get your head around it. The process of understanding the black hole concept changes the way you think and by the end you can't help but be invested in it. I believe that is why so many people are so blind when it comes to this particular piece of metaphysics.

Anyway...

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Re: Why I believed in Black Holes!

Unread postby junglelord » Mon May 12, 2008 1:07 pm

Neil Peart wrote the preceeding album, 2112, based on his study of Ayn Rand.
;)

Understanding Ayn Rand via the music of Rush, Lyrics of Neil Peart to be exact.
http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.8. ... 37804.html
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Re: Why I believed in Black Holes!

Unread postby rangerover777 » Mon May 12, 2008 1:30 pm

Good for you Junglelord,

First that you are playing drums and second that you don’t believe in black holes.

Science have a long way, before understanding this blurry pictures of black holes.
I think what Black Holes really do, is to attract theories and wrong conclusions, spin
them in an spiral orbit, swallow them and toss them away…

There are so many things to understand right here under our noses to figure out,
much before getting to black holes or at least what appear to be a black hole.

Though, there are a few questions about black holes I never understood :
1. The common explanation is that matter can become so dense that even light cannot
escape it’s gravitation grip. So how can such a matter be made of atoms ?
We may need to have atoms with 1/1,000,000,000 the size of the atoms we know of.
2. If black hole have it’s own tremendous mass, what this mass is made of ?
There is no limit to how much matter could be dense ?
3. If light cannot escape and x-rays can escape, how converted matter become X-rays ?
And if it’s true that it emits X-rays, what happen with this emission ? Does it become
matter somewhere else (like light) ?
4. If there are black holes in the center of galaxies, are not they part of the mechanism
of the galaxy ? In other words, like we have the sun in the center of the solar system,
black holes can have the same function ? Like being the axis for the whole galaxy ?

It may be that black holes exists as an observation, but not sufficiently explained yet.


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Re: Why I believed in Black Holes!

Unread postby junglelord » Mon May 12, 2008 3:15 pm

I certainly had an affinity for black holes due to the connection at 16 years of age and the Einsteins Universe book and the song Cygnus X-1. Because I had this love affair with Einstein and Peart....well love is blind!
:lol:
It took the EU to wake me up.
8-)
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Casting Out the Nines from PHI into Indigs reveals the Cosmic Harmonic Code.
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Re: Why I believed in Black Holes!

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Mon May 12, 2008 3:34 pm

Black Holes, Ayn Rand and Rush.
Junglelord wrote:
It took the EU to wake me up.

From a nightmare by the look of it.
If I have the least bit of knowledge
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.
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Re: Why I believed in Black Holes!

Unread postby junglelord » Mon May 12, 2008 4:51 pm

Black Holes, I can take em or leave em, I left them
Ayn Rand, never cared for it.
I will always love Rush, Einstein, and the EU
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Casting Out the Nines from PHI into Indigs reveals the Cosmic Harmonic Code.
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