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ancient conditions

Unread postby moses » Thu May 08, 2008 6:18 pm

Other than the shock and trauma associated with the change from the ancient
conditions to today's present state, what else could have changed our DNA,
or changed our chromosomes - as in epigenetic change ? Well, I think that one
obvious factor is diet. If the Earth was warmed mainly by electrical heating and
so there would have been little temperature variation, then the flora then would
have been quite different to today's flora. There is evidence that ancient man
ate predominantly fruit, but maybe this fruit was very different to the wild fruit
one finds today, due to epigenetic changes is the tree's DNA.

So a sudden change in diet would have changed our genetic or/and our epigenetic
make-up. Consequently, perhaps if we changed back to a diet that is similar to
the ancient diet, then perhaps this will produce epigenetic changes in us, and act
as a catalyst to return us to the original genetic set-up. What thinks you ?

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Re: ancient conditions

Unread postby junglelord » Thu May 08, 2008 6:23 pm

Have you ever read the Blood Type Diet?
Blood types developed due to changes in diet.
Pretty cool stuff.
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Re: ancient conditions

Unread postby moses » Fri May 09, 2008 5:52 am

junglelord wrote:Have you ever read the Blood Type Diet?
Blood types developed due to changes in diet.
Pretty cool stuff.

I found this : http://www.dadamo.com/
Dr. D'Adamo's new book The GenoType Diet examines the possibilities of epigenetics and the use of diet to profoundly alter gene function and genetic destiny.

I have not read any of this but this is the same basic principle I propose.
When one realises that humanity went through trauma, and that there was
once very different conditions on Earth, with a very different diet, then one
can begin to understand that another diet could have profound effects.
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Re: ancient conditions

Unread postby kevin » Fri May 09, 2008 7:44 am

What If?,
A change in condition is on a cyclable predictive sequence, where the net incoming ingredients drawn into the condition are variable due to the relevant position of all adjoining blobs of mass.
Thus if space contains an aether, perhaps that aether collects substance/s relevant to what it pass's through, thus as all of these substances arrive here from all directions about this globe, they vary dependent on where they have just been.
thus as the great cycle around 26,000 years trundles around, sudden changes may occur as alignments are lost and made?

All of that may act symbiotically with forming the condition, and upon forming the resultant lifeforms on the capacitor plate face which this globes surface will be.
We are therefore merely a construct of the recent condition.
That condition may also vary about a globe with magnetic qualities resulting in regional variations in the constructed lifeforms, hence people and animals vary from geometric positions upon the globe.
If there are sudden alterations in the condition, it may lead to a whole layer of the surface been dissolved off, or a sudden alteration in pressures about the globe , thus resulting in continents been pushed up and down.
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Re: ancient conditions

Unread postby moses » Fri May 09, 2008 6:24 pm

kevin wrote:We are therefore merely a construct of the recent condition.
kevin

We are old condition + new condition. And if the new condition arises out of a
trauma then the new condition is a diseased state.

We talk about free energy, transmutation, antigravity, matter transference, etc,
but what if any human has the potential to do all these things naturally. There is
evidence from yogis through siddhis that such things are possible. There is DNA
evidence that some of our genes do not come from Earth. We simply do not know
what we are. But we know that the Earth and humanity went through an electrically
driven upheaval that would have altered our genetic set-up, producing a diseased
state resulting in conflict. Therefore devote much of one's energy to reversing the
changes. We can't go back to the way things were, but there are things that we can
do. And diet is an obvious one. However, we have PTSD(post traumatic stress
disorder), and psychotherapeutic techniques seem required.

It is alright studying EU and seeing electrical scarring on Earth and other planets,
but the real issues are the effects associated with that scarring. Once one sees
that humanity has been hit hard and the effects are with us now, in our genes,
then one is motivated to try to do something about it. Diet is an interesting step.

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Re: ancient conditions

Unread postby nick c » Sat May 10, 2008 10:21 am

Hello Mo:
I have a couple of comments and questions.
It is difficult for most of us, to imagine the psychological effects and radical changes our ancestors would have experienced, having perhaps, had an unspecified long period of time to adapt to stable and favorable conditions and then being thrust into a new and hostile environment. Where did we come from? where are we now? and how did we get here? Our pre-catastrophe ancestors must have been very different from us.
The experience of changing climates, radically altered geology and geography, hostile encounters with displaced humans who have been migrating en masse in the search for a new home; resulted in mass exterminations of human populations by both nature and mankind himself. The natural threats are gone, but their memory still resides deep in our souls, reappearing in the form of bizarre, irrational, and ritualistic behaviors.
Science fiction writers can help us understand how our traumatized ancestors must have perceived their condition. The inspirations for movies and books about a post apocalyptic future are the deep seeded memories of the terrors from our past. The gods fought each other and dueled terrible monsters in the sky while puny and helpless humans could do nothing but take shelter and pray for survival. Think of the helpless citizens of Tokyo looking on in horror as a fire breathing Godzilla threatens the existence of the human race. Recall the scene where the humans unsuccessfully try to electrocute Godzilla, he fights with the power lines amid an assault of electrical sparks and bolts.
Think of David Talbott's archetypes:
We must seperate the archetype (concealed reality) from the symbol (analogy or representation of reality).
The Saturn Myth p331
The monster is finally slain by the plan of a modern day St. George. The narrator's (Raymond Burr) closing words can tell us what post-catastrophe man must have felt:
The menace was gone, so was a great man. But the whole world could wake up and live again.

A 'must reading' article on this subject:
"Theomachy in the Theater: On the Fringes of Collective Amnesia"
John V. Myers and Lewis M. Greenberg, Kronos Vol. 1 No. 2



Mo wrote:
There is DNA evidence that some of our genes do not come from Earth. We simply do not know what we are.

Are you refering to sudden unexplained mutations? that is, a sudden leap in the evolution of man that was induced by catastrophic (changing electrical environment) conditions? or something else?
Keeping in mind that not only humans, but the entire biosphere would have been exposed to the same changing environmental conditions.
When, therefore, the earth covered with mud from the recent flood, became heated up by the hot and genial rays of the sun, she brought forth innumerable forms of life, in part of ancient shapes, and in part creatures new and strange.
Ovid, Metamorphoses----quoted from p255, Earth In Upheaval, Velikovsky


Mo wrote:
But we know that the Earth and humanity went through an electrically driven upheaval that would have altered our genetic set-up, producing a diseased state resulting in conflict.

A good question in this regard... is humanities' amnesia (and resultant resistance to acknowledgement of our catastrophic past and compulsion to reenact the trauma-inducing events) passed on to each generation genetically or only culturally? The same could be asked of the archetypes and motifs of mythology. Are the memories ingrained in our DNA? or are they passed on by social institutions, language, etc.? This opens a Lamarckian can of worms. I don't know the answer, but I do think that the modern paradigm has mistreated Lamarck. The EU can open new avenues of research, perhaps we are not done with Lamarck.

Mo wrote:
It is alright studying EU and seeing electrical scarring on Earth and other planets,
but the real issues are the effects associated with that scarring.

Well I agree, for me, these are the issues that are of great concern.
You are correct, the scarring is not only geological, but psychological-on a collective level. The EU is more important than just a change in a scientific paradigm, it is a change in the paradigm of human perception, knowing ourselves.

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Re: ancient conditions

Unread postby moses » Sun May 11, 2008 2:15 am

Our pre-catastrophe ancestors must have been very different from us. Nick.
But more in the form of epigenetic differences rather than genetic differences.
We know trauma changes the epigenetic expression of genes, and diet too.
We know other changers too, but epigenetics is a new subject. If one was
abused early in life, then epigenetic changes result, and so the study of how
to maybe reverse these changes is an obvious research candidate. So, maybe
we will stumble on a way to change the epigenetic effects of the ancient past.
I have my own theories on how to do this, but this goes too far for an EU
group, plus there are obvious risks involved.

"There is DNA evidence that some of our genes do not come from Earth. We simply do not know what we are."
Are you refering to sudden unexplained mutations? that is, a sudden leap in the evolution of man that was induced by catastrophic (changing electrical environment) conditions? or something else? Nick.
If one google 223 genes one gets many hits - here's one:
http://alienaccount.blogspot.com/2006/0 ... genes.html
Not likely to be a result of mutation, in my view. Some bacteria and viruses
have some of these genes, but it is likely they got these from humans, as
other vertebrates don't have these genes. It's a mystery !

A good question in this regard... is humanities' amnesia (and resultant resistance to acknowledgement of our catastrophic past and compulsion to reenact the trauma-inducing events) passed on to each generation genetically or only culturally? The same could be asked of the archetypes and motifs of mythology. Are the memories ingrained in our DNA? or are they passed on by social institutions, language, etc.?
Epigenetic changes can be inherited. Most here would have heard of Akasha, as
a storehouse of all events. This is evidence of the possibility that all memories
are accessible, quite likely via DNA. Maybe even an epigenetic change could
produce access to the Akasha ??

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