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Since I have disproved general relativity, and gravitational time dillation with it, people unable to comprehend or admit the simple fact that Einstein was wrong ask me 'but how do you explain that clocks on earth tick slower than clocks in space ? Only general relativity can explain that ! '.

I really don't agree, especially since it can't even explain why objects accelerate in a gravitational field without resorting to Newtonian physics and forces. Which Einstein replaced with his space bending theory, where gravity is treated as a curvature of spacetime and not as an attractive force. But with no gravitational force, you have no gravitational acceleration, because Force = mass * acceleration.
And with time dillation, which some of them claim is what causes gravitational acceleration, you get an increase in the amount of time it takes for an object to travel a metric distance in a relativistic gravitational field, because the time becomes longer and longer for each meter travelled, so the moving speed actually decreases and you get gravitational deceleration which is the exact opposite of acceleration.
So I can disprove GR in like ten different ways and they still won't accept it's bulshit, because the clock ticks faster in space and only gravitational time dillation can cause this.

Except it doesn't.

Because this is caused by the earth's magnetic field. You see, in space the magnetic field is less strong than on earth, as the strength of the magnetic field decreases with distance- just like gravity. And the atomic clocks are based on cesium atoms which are metal and are affected by the magnetic field. In fact, the atomic clock itself contains a magnet which separates low energy cesium atoms from high energy ones. It is therefore very likely that the strength of the earth's magnetic field affects how the atomic clock operates.

But let's forget about atomic clocks for a moment, just imagine a regular mechanical watch. The watch's mechanism consists of many metal components such as wheels, springs, and so on. If you place a magnet near a watch, it will affect how the watch works because all the metals pieces will be magnetised and attracted to each other. So guess what will happen: the watch will not show the correct time anymore, but a lower time. Has the time dillated ? No, just the watch is malfunctioning or lagging because of the magnetic field.
The stronger the magnetic field, the slower it will operate and the more lag it will have. The same thing happens with atomic clocks, which have flowing metal atoms inside. (And also a magnet, which separates the flow of atoms by their low or high energy state.)
Because on earth the magnetic field is stronger than in space, it will affect the flow of the cesium atoms and make the clock run slower, and viceversa. So no, it's not curved spacetime dillation that causes this. And using Occam's razor, the most simple explanation and which uses the least number of entities is the correct one.

And watch makers know of this problem that most watches have, see here for example:
https://www.seikowatches.com/us-en/cust ... ntenance-5

I don't know if Seiko makes atomic watches, but you get the point.

After some further research I have found that magnetic fields can cause the Zeeman effect, which effectively changes the energy levels of atoms, thus directly affecting the transition frequencies and ticking rate of atomic clocks.

ChatGPT wrote: ### Zeeman Effect:
- **Spectral Line Splitting**: The Zeeman effect causes the splitting of spectral lines when atoms are placed in a magnetic field. This splitting results from the interaction between the magnetic field and the magnetic moments of the atomic electrons.
- **Energy Level Shifts**: These interactions shift the energy levels of the atoms, which can affect the frequency of the transitions used in atomic clocks.

### Impact on Atomic Clocks:
- **Frequency Shift**: The shift in energy levels due to the Zeeman effect can lead to a change in the frequency of the atomic transitions used for timekeeping.

The shifts in energy levels due to the Zeeman effect can influence the ticking rate of an atomic clock. In a stronger magnetic field, the energy levels of the atoms are affected more significantly, which can lead to changes in the frequency of the atomic transitions used for timekeeping.

- **Magnetic Field Strength**:
As the strength of the magnetic field increases, the splitting of energy levels becomes more pronounced. This can result in changes to the transition frequencies of the atoms in the clock.
- **Ticking Rate**: If the transition frequencies shift due to the Zeeman effect, the atomic clock may tick slower or faster depending on the direction and magnitude of the shifts.

### Managing Zeeman Shifts:
- **Compensation**: High-precision atomic clocks are designed to compensate for Zeeman shifts. This involves careful calibration and control of the magnetic environment to ensure accurate timekeeping.

In summary, stronger magnetic fields can cause shifts in atomic clock frequencies due to the Zeeman effect, potentially altering the ticking rate.

And besides magnetic fields, they can also be affected by electric fields, which causes the Stark effect, which is very similar to the Zeeman effect. But almost no one ever talks about these in the context of atomic clocks.

Have you EVER heard any scientist say that atomic clocks are affected by magnetic/electric fields and the Zeeman or Stark effect ? No, they all say that their ticking rate is affected by gravitational time dilation from relativistic gravitational fields (GR), and by time dilation from relativistic speed (SR). 'Time dilation' and 'relativity' is their only explanation. Either they are all ignorant, and have no ideea what atomic clocks are affected by, and/or they are stupid and confuse the effects of the earth's magnetic and electric field with those of its gravitational field. Which is very likely since they also confused the effects of refraction with those of gravitation.

And I'm not talking about the scientists who actually design GPS sattelites if not the atomic clocks themselves, like Ron Hatch who clearly stated that GPS proves relativity wrong. If the guy who designed GPS doesnt know how GPS works and that is has nothing to do with relativity and time dilation, then who knows ? Some geniuses like Neil DeGrase, or PureBS spacetime, who cant even build a wrist watch ? Yet they pretend to be the all knowing masters of the universe. All they do is regurgitate the same pure bullshit (PBS) mainstream theories which make no sense and have been proven wrong by real scientists like Edward Dowdye and others, who of course they completely ignore because they are not famous like Einstein and his PBS spacetime theories.

Everything is a process (Cahill), & all processes tick.
There is no such thing as time or time dilation.

crawler wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:44 pm Everything is a process (Cahill), & all processes tick.
There is no such thing as time or time dilation.

ding, ding, ding.

time is how we experience matter in motion. Thus, whenever we measure time, we are always measuring matter in motion.

Matter moves (eg orbits, vibrates) faster at smaller scales and slower at higher scales. Thus time would be measured differently for an observer the size of an electron vs an observer the size of a galaxy. This is why atomic and sub-atomic movements are basically just a blur or "probability" to us.

danda wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 12:49 am

crawler wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 8:44 pm Everything is a process (Cahill), & all processes tick.
There is no such thing as time or time dilation.

ding, ding, ding.

time is how we experience matter in motion. Thus, whenever we measure time, we are always measuring matter in motion.

Matter moves (eg orbits, vibrates) faster at smaller scales and slower at higher scales. Thus time would be measured differently for an observer the size of an electron vs an observer the size of a galaxy. This is why atomic and sub-atomic movements are basically just a blur or "probability" to us.

I reckon that the measurement of time (ie ticking) is usually based on a steady process/clock, eg the orbit of Earth.
Hence size etc of observer etc duznt affect measurement (but lots of things do affect measurement).

Time is simply a measurement of change, usually a known length against an unknown one and as such is a secondary measurement of distance. It is not it's own dimension.