Creationism, Myth and Catastrophism

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light? If you have a personal favorite theory, that is in someway related to the Electric Universe, this is where it can be posted.
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Re: Creationism, Myth and Catastrophism

Unread post by Lloyd » Sun Aug 04, 2024 3:01 am

On July 26 I posted WASHINGTON SCABLANDS FLOOD at https://cataclysmicearthhistory.substac ... ands-flood . This is the opening statement.
A Randall Carlson video showed last year or earlier that the Washington Scablands were flooded not just from the Lake Missoula, Montana direction, but also from the direction of Canada. This PBS video supports that claim. Below is a transcript of the video starting at the 6 minute mark. That flood and several others likely occurred during or near the time of the Younger Dryas impacts. I may combine this post with COLUMBIA RIVER BASALT GROUP ( https://cataclysmicearthhistory.substac ... salt-group ).
There are numerous lidar images, including some showing where the flood from Canada joined the flood from Montana. I think in the Columbia River Basalt Group post I figured that the volcanism in Washington, i.e. the flood basalt, likely occurred at least in part during the Younger Dryas floods, because some of the volcanism seems to have interacted with the flooding. The flood basalt seems likely to have originated during the Great Flood several centuries earlier. But the rhinoceros-shaped hole in lava in which rhinoceros bones were found must have freshly deposited during the YD flood, because the large mammals don't seem to have been around during the Great Flood.

On July 30 I posted GLACIAL MELTWATER FLOODS? at https://cataclysmicearthhistory.substac ... ter-floods . Allan & Delair wrote an article c. 1995, based on their book, When the Earth Nearly Died, similar to Velikosky's book, Earth in Upheaval. Both books describe the findings of lots of animal and plant remains found in caves, rock fissures, Arctic muck etc all around the globe. Many of them appear to have been slammed against the ground or against bedrock in tidal waves, so the bones, trees etc are broken up and mingled together along with soil, sand, gravel etc. Some animals in caves appear to have gone there to hide from the floodwaters, but were drowned there. I gather that ice-filled flood waters from melting glaciers are what killed and mangled the animals and plants. These puzzle pieces have been around for quite a while and I'm gradually putting them together. So now I think it's pretty safe to say that most of what's described occurred during the Younger Drays floods. Allan and Delair dated the events to 11,500 years ago (Cardona said 10,000 years ago) and Velikovsky dated them to 3,500 years ago and later. I date them to 4,600 years ago. I hope to review Velikovsky's dating before long, because it sounded like some of the things he dated might be correct too.
This is the opening statement for that post.
I’m comparing Allan & Delair’s findings with Velikovsky’s. Cardona’s books had suggested that the Saturn nova occurred at the Younger Dryas and now it looks like these earlier authors honed in on the same time frame. They didn’t suggest involvement with Saturn. Cardona and Velikovsky both considered Venus & Mars to be major players. Allan & Delair apparently considered Mars to have been a target of devastation, like Earth. Their article is called Major World Catastrophe at https://www.catastrophism.com/intro/sea ... zoom_query. I’m including most of it below and abbreviating it MWC. Velikovsky’s book Earth in Upheaval is available at https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/arch ... heaval.pdf, but it has a number of spelling errors due to bad scanning. I’m abbreviating it EIU. Prepare to be shocked by the amount of violently slaughtered creatures entombed in caves, rock fissures and sediments in much of the world. This is something the mainstream ignores. First, though, I’ll sort of set the stage.
https://earthsurface.readthedocs.io/en/ ... vglace.png
The map above isn’t totally accurate. The Ice Age ice sheets likely didn’t cover the northernmost portions of Greenland, Canada and Siberia, but likely did cover most of the U.S. Rockies, which isn’t shown.
GLACIAL MELTWATER FLOODS
I think most of the following data supports the idea that the Ice Age occurred after the Great Flood and that the Ice Age ended with another major cataclysm involving asteroid impacts etc, which caused rapid melting of the Ice Sheets. A lot of large sheets of ice, some carrying large amounts of rock and debris, flowing rapidly across landscapes, seems to account for most of the findings described below.
I've added both posts to my online book at https://zzzzzzz.substack.com/p/cataclys ... th-history .

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Re: Creationism, Myth and Catastrophism

Unread post by jacmac » Mon Aug 05, 2024 4:13 pm

Because I was familiar with Velikovsky's Worlds In Collision, I had put off reading Earth In Upheaval for years.
When I finally got to it a couple of years ago I was stunned. The sheer amount of findings all over the world and the evidence of extreme violent events makes the narrative very compelling for anyone with an open mind.

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Unread post by nick c » Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:09 pm

Because I was familiar with Velikovsky's Worlds In Collision, I had put off reading Earth In Upheaval for years.
When I finally got to it a couple of years ago I was stunned. The sheer amount of findings all over the world and the evidence of extreme violent events makes the narrative very compelling for anyone with an open mind.
jacmac,

It must be remembered that Velikovsky's original intention was for Worlds In Collision and Earth In Upheaval to be two sections of the same book, but the amount of material warranted a separate publication.

I always recommend to someone who expresses interest in Velikovsky. to read Earth In Upheaval first. It puts into context what is to come in Worlds In Collision.

And to top it off, Velikovsky formulates his theory of Cataclysmic Evolution in the end of Earth In Upheaval which is simply brilliant!

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Re: Creationism, Myth and Catastrophism

Unread post by Aardwolf » Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:29 pm

Lloyd wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 4:53 pmI'm questioning Ted Holden's conclusion that the heaviest land animal possible would be 20,000 or 24,000 pounds. He may be right, but I'm allowed to question such claims anyway. I think he said the largest dinosaur would have weighed 180,000 pounds, but online somewhere it said the largest weighed about 70,000 or 80,000 pounds, if I remember right. - - Ted's explanation of the giraffe's blood pressure danger doesn't seem to have taken tensegrity into account. I'm not ignoring Ted's claims, or yours, but I also don't want to ignore tensegrity. Some sites I quoted above claim that tensegrity explains how dinosaurs could have gotten so large, so I'd like to see if they have proof of that, or if they're just making assumptions.
Titanosaurs are regularly estimated to be 150,000-200,000 pounds. Takes about 5 min online to find dozens of examples. The tensegrity argument is just wishful thinking by parties desperate to fit these animals into a currently sized and gravitationally equivalent Earth. No amount of creative structural math is going to get an animal 15 times the size of an elephant walking about in this gravity.

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Re: Creationism, Myth and Catastrophism

Unread post by Lloyd » Sat Aug 10, 2024 2:08 am

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Aardwolf said: Titanosaurs are regularly estimated to be 150,000-200,000 pounds.
That's what A.I. says now. I thought it said smaller when I asked a few weeks ago.

HUMANS FROM GANYMEDE TO EARTH.
Hi Ted. At https://steemit.com/cosmology/@gungasna ... ede-update you started out by saying this.
A couple of more thoughts which are not included in the book "Ganymede Hypothesis" available on Amazon...

Pico Island in the Portuguese Azores is the highest point of land in the Atlantic and the center of the 'Atlantic Bulge', and would have been the point directly under Saturn in the ancient Saturnian alignment. Opposite that on the globe is the middle of the Pacific ocean, which is where those first humans on Earth would have splashed down after being taken off of Ganymede via a water bridge or similar electrical/hydraulic phenomenon.

Those first humans needed three things:
They needed to be taken to dry land; sure they were semi-aquatic but they would not have survived in the middle of the Pacific on their own. I assume they were taken to Australia by whales and dolphins.
2, and 3. They needed Earth at the time to be warm enoiugh that they wouldn't just freeze or die of exposure in the middle of the Pacific and they needed the Purple Dawn environment to have brightened at least temporarily (for a few hundred or a few thousand years) so that they could get used to the Purple Dawn gradually when conditions returned to normal.

What I believe to be the case is that the xfer of humans coincided with the Eemian climate optimum and a deep prehistoric "golden age" in which Saturn had morphed from a purple to a glow-mode dwarf star. It seems likely that climate optimums and golden ages occur in pairs; the Eemian and a golden age corresponding to it having been brought about by that first near approach of the Saturnian system to the Jupiter/sun system
DINOSAURS. I've read small parts of your ideas for the past 15 years or so. Your claims about dinosaurs having been too heavy to live in Earth's present gravity seem to be correct, although I recently started questioning whether biotensegrity would make it possible for them to move in present gravity. That seems unlikely, but several people online make that claim, so I'd like to hear their evidence, but don't know how to contact them. I'd be interested in your evidence against it, if you have some. My suspicion is that electrical effects made Earth more buoyant.

GREAT FLOOD. In my free online book, Cataclysmic Earth History, I discuss briefly why most dating methods are highly inaccurate, and I conclude that all of Earth's sedimentary rock strata were deposited mostly during the Great Flood, with some deposited some centuries afterward. And I date the Flood at c. 3,300 BC, based mainly on the Septuagint Bible and somewhat on the rate of decay of helium from zircons and similar findings and on the oldest tree being about 4,700 years old.

ROCK SOLID EVIDENCE. The best evidence, I think, that the sedimentary strata were deposited mostly during the Flood, is probably 3 things: the lack of erosion and bioturbation between strata, other than mainly sheet erosion between megasequences, and the fact that the strata are mainly shale, sandstone and limestone and the only likely way they could have been sorted out into separate strata is via flooding, with sand falling out first as the flow rate decreased, mud settled out second as the flow decreased more and lime settled out last.

PANGAEA. Pangaea was all lowland, so it didnt require very great tsunamis to cover it all. Asteroid impacts and/or a closely elliptically orbiting body likely caused the tsunamis. An exceptionally large asteroid broke up Pangaea, causing rapid continental drift. The asteroid hit just off the east coast of Africa. The movement of the continents over the Moho layer caused the rapid formation of mountain ranges.

ICE AGE. The ice sheets formed after the Flood, causing the Ice Age. It ended c. 700 years later with more asteroid impacts mostly on the ice sheets, which caused rapid glacial meltwater floods. That was the Younger Dryas event, which I date to c. 2,600 BC.

PANGAEA VS. GANYMEDE. So I don't know why humans needed to be on another planet before the Great Flood. Pangaea had a very suitable climate. It didn't extend any farther than about 50 degrees north or south of the equator. I don't know why Saturn needed to be above the Azores. It could have been above the center of Pangaea (around Egypt I reckon), and it could have been responsible for attracting the land mass to that one side of the Earth. I haven't concluded that yet. It's just a theory. Egypt would have been at the north pole, but the pole could have shifted during the Great Flood.

NOAH'S ARK. There seems to be pretty good evidence that Noah's ark was real and that civilization spread from where the ark landed in Turkey after the Flood.

Do you care to discuss?

VENUS & JUPITER
Ted said: At least two or three of the most basic ideas of the catastrophic literature of the founders of the Thunderbolts Project have turned out to be very easily provably wrong. That includes the claim of Velikovsky having been wrong about Venus having originated with Jupiter rather than Saturn, and the idea of Jupiter ever having ever been hidden from human view behind Saturn.
Do you want to elaborate on that here?

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Re: Creationism, Myth and Catastrophism

Unread post by Aardwolf » Mon Aug 12, 2024 12:41 am

Lloyd wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 2:08 am 300434
Aardwolf said: Titanosaurs are regularly estimated to be 150,000-200,000 pounds.
That's what A.I. says now. I thought it said smaller when I asked a few weeks ago.
Not sure what it's got to do with AI. Risky business using AI for research considering it's propensity to hallucinate and generate random nonsense.

I was talking about actual research papers similar to below from 2004, and they have been saying pretty much the same thing for decades hence the range 150,000 to 200,000 pounds;

http://www.miketaylor.org.uk/tmp/papers ... y-size.pdf

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Unread post by Lloyd » Mon Aug 12, 2024 3:00 am

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DINOSAURS AFTER THE GREAT FLOOD

PROOF Dinosaurs lived with man and still exist! 2021
https://www.bitchute.com/video/KDx74Qd0EU1V

Extraordinary Evidence that Dinosaurs Lived with Man - Dr. Don Patten
https://www.bitchute.com/video/10eWtL3wvjAV

The Dinosaur Debate Is Over! Dinosaurs Lived with man & lived recently! Tons of Evidence!
https://www.bitchute.com/video/P5ThvYKOVU6c

Ancient Discoveries That Prove Beyond Doubt Man Lived With Dinosaurs
https://www.bitchute.com/video/T66sEcYmoLz4

Man lived Contemporaneously with the Terrible Lizards
https://www.bitchute.com/video/LHXQvMDIaK5X
49' Ashley bone bed SC

Dinosaurs and Man Living Together [AT THE SAME TIME]
https://rumble.com/vd0zsh-dinosaurs-and ... -time.html

Forbidden History, King Arthur Died in America, Dinosaurs Walked with Man
https://rumble.com/v1y1wrr-forbidden-hi ... h-man.html
1h7' ancient Saturnian observation deck in KY?

I skimmed through a few of the above videos. There seems to be way more evidence of dinosaurs up until a few centuries ago than I expected. One ancient image shows something like adult brachiosaurs standing on the hind legs. If it required humans observing such dinosaurs in order to correctly show them standing, it suggests that humans observed them not many centuries ago. It was said that science has found that they did sometimes stand up like that.

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Unread post by Lloyd » Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:02 am

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ANCIENT MEGALITHIC STRUCTURES WERE FOR AGRICULTURE & MINING?

Andrew Hall: Megalithic Chemistry at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qUkG34GKHc
Andrew Hall says in this Thunderbolts video from yesterday that Drumm has the best answers about the purpose of ancient megalithic structures, which is that they were chemical factories for making crop fertilizers and mining acids. He said the atmosphere was much more electrified and the structures were designed to attract electricity to power the manufacturing. He recommends Drumm's video channel at https://www.youtube.com/@thelandofchem/videos . He said the iron connectors on stone blocks were designed to conduct electricity better between blocks and that they were too weak to hold the structures together. He said the Moon used to orbit the Earth in 2 days per orbit and that the Moon's orbit was over the river valleys of the early civilizations and it aided electrification of megalithic structures.

I watched this video so far: Episode 131: ANCIENT TECHNOLOGY - Lightning, Iron Veins, and Silica Microspheres at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yDaYWAadM0 . He says Robert Schoch (who gave a talk at one of the EU conferences) found that there are lightning scars on the Giza plateau. I don't remember if he mentioned any scars on the pyramids. But it looks like fair evidence of electrification. There are lots more videos to see, so I hope to skim through them soon too. He showed that there are iron veins and silica microspheres in the lightning trenches. I think they thought those elements came from minerals in water flow, but it looks to me more likely they're from transmutation.

In this TB thread from 2008, Recovered: Transmutation on Stars, Planets etc at https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/ ... .php?t=209 , I had listed possible means of transmutation of elements. Here's what it said for iron and silicon.
Fe_26:56 = Sc+B _________* Si+4Li, Cl+3Li, Cr+He
Fe'26:54 = ______________* 2Si-2H, Ni-He
Si_14:28 = Ca-C, C+O ____* Al+H, Mg+He, S-He
The Giza plateau is said to be covered primarily with limestone, which is CaCO3. So silicon can possibly be derived from fissioning of calcium (leaving carbon), or from carbon fusing with oxygen. Iron54 is only about 6% of all iron isotopes. It could be derived from fusing of 2 silicons with loss of 2 hydrogens or 2 protons. Or the more common iron56 could be derived from fusing 1 silicon with 4 lithiums. Lithium is uncommon, but it might be a common pathway to other elements. 1 carbon plus 2 neutrons can yield 2 lithiums. Lightning produces up to 5,000 neutrons per cubic meter of air, so the neutrons would be more likely available during lightning strikes, because neutrons decay into protons within about 15 minutes. So 2 carbons plus 4 neutrons could produce 4 lithiums, which added to 1 silicon could fuse into 1 iron56.

If Drumm is right about the purpose of megalithic structures being for agriculture and mining, that would surely be a good indication that ancient civilizations were pretty advanced. I think Talbott and maybe Cardona considered the purpose of the pyramids to be to resemble a former Earth mound under the polar column. I imagine that might be an additional purpose.

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Unread post by Lloyd » Tue Aug 13, 2024 3:58 am

FUNCTIONAL ANCIENT MEGALITHS VIDEOS INDEX
THE LAND OF CHEM Video Channel

This is a followup to the previous post. I went and made an index or table of contents of all of the videos of The Land of Chem Youtube channel.
The Index is at https://cataclysmicearthhistory.substac ... hs-channel .
The Channel is at https://www.youtube.com/@thelandofchem/videos .
The Index is much better organized and easier to access at a glance. The titles are clickable. They're in chronological order, so you can start at the beginning and read the titles through to the end. So if you check out the Index and the Channel list, I think you'll see that the Index is more useful.
I could have made the Index even better by listing just one video title per line, but that will take a lot of time, if I ever get around to doing it.

GEOFFREY DRUMM'S TIMELINE & MINE
This Episode has Drumm's Ancient Timeline, so I'm listing it below along with my own dating in brackets. He's probably influenced by Robert Schoch.
Episode Twenty Five: The Timeline Of The Egyptian Pyramids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ0ysk83ZDY
10,000 BC Younger Dryas Impact Global Flooding
{2,600 BC (My Date)
10,000 BC Gobekli Tepe
{2,800+/-400 BC (My Date)
9,500 BC Neolithic Period in Middle East
{2,800+/-400 BC (My Date)
8,500 BC Sahara Wet Period
{2,800+/-500 BC (My Date)
7,500 BC Egyptian Pyramids in Operation
{2,700+/-300 BC (My Date)
6,000 BC Dessication of the Sahara
{2,400+/-200 BC (My Date)
5,600 BC Black Sea Flood
{2,600 BC (My Date)
3,000 BC Burkle Crater Indian Ocean
{2,400+/-200 BC (My Date)
3,000 BC Proto-Dynastic Egypt
{2,700+/-300 BC (My Date)

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Unread post by Lloyd » Wed Aug 14, 2024 2:29 am

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ANCIENT CHEMICAL TECH

The Land of Chem video channel (that Andrew Hall recommended in his recent TB video) seems to be answering a lot of questions about how advanced ancient civilizations were and where they got their knowledge. And the Natron Theory is adding to that quite a bit. I just discovered the Natron Theory today on a video. If you do a search at https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... ron+theory you'll see a bunch of pretty recent videos on it. This is the video I just saw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEWjYSNUEbo . Marcell Foti, a Hungarian, has a website, https://natrontheory.com/ which the video discussed. The video is pretty long and you might get more out of the website. I only skimmed through the video, but I read the whole site. It doesn't take long. I'm surprised that they found ancient Egyptian scenes of apparently making stone softening chemicals.

I think I mentioned yesterday here that Geoffrey Drumm (the owner of The Land of Chem channel and author of a book of the same name) figures that Atlantis was in North America, which was decimated & flooded during the Younger Dryas events, so the Atlanteans moved away in all directions, ending up in Peru, Japan, India, Egypt, Britain, Ireland etc., where they all started local civilizations with megalithic structures mainly for producing chemicals for ag, mining, etc. I plan to look through his videos more to see if any of them show good evidence of a former advanced civilization in North America before the Younger Dryas. The author of the Ancient Architects channel and/or Randall Carlson have suggested that Atlantis was in the Atlantic either west of Ireland, or in the Azores when the oceans were much lower and much more land was habitable there. At least one pyramid has been found underwater in the Azores (west of western Africa). So I imagine the Atlanteans could have spread out from the Azores about as easily as from North America.

Anyway, the research findings on similar megalithic structures around the Earth which seem to have been used for somewhat advanced chemical manufacturing now seem to converging on proof of a former advanced culture that spread around the world, probably due to cataclysms. That's pretty exciting to me.

SEE THE PATTERN - E.U. VIDEOS
I have an index of EU videos links from the See The Pattern channel at https://cataclysmicearthhistory.substac ... rse-videos .
I reorganized the video titles in 11 Categories. All video titles in each category are clickable.
The categories are:
e EARTH, ATMOSPHERE, BIOSPHERE, CRUST, HUMANS
ss SOLAR SYSTEM OBJECTS: SUN, PLANETS, MOONS, COMETS, ASTEROIDS
p EXOPLANETS
s STARS, INTERSTELLAR OBJECTS
q QUASARS, BLACK HOLES
g GALAXIES
a ARP, QUASARS, GALAXIES, REDSHIFT
b BIRKELAND CURRENTS
f PHYSICS
n NEWS (miscellaneous)
u THE UNIVERSE
The author seems to believe in Expanding Earth, which titles are in category e.
Transmutation titles are in category f (physics).
Plasma physics is mostly in category f, b & maybe u.
BIBLIOGRAPHY. I have a pretty good bibliography at this link: https://zzzzzzz.substack.com/p/cataclys ... ient-myths
It includes See the Pattern and The Land of Chem video links.

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Unread post by kmcook » Wed Aug 14, 2024 6:12 am

Another geopolymer advocate for ancient stonework is Prof. Joseph Davidovits - who has published several books on 'stone making'.
I picked up one of his 2009 - "Why the Pharaohs built the Pyramids with Fake Stones") ISBN 9782951482043

His website - for a couple of hours introductory browsing - is:
https://www.davidovits.info/english/archaeology/

Be good to do some revision and catchup via the videos you've tagged here Lloyd, with thanks.

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Unread post by nick c » Wed Aug 14, 2024 5:06 pm

I picked up one of his 2009 - "Why the Pharaohs built the Pyramids with Fake Stones") ISBN 9782951482043
I would be interested to know how the proponents of the "fake stones used to build the pyramids theory" explain the fact that the quarries where the stones came from are well known. In the Aswan quarry there is an ancient Egyptian obelisk which was in the process of being cut out of the quarry, but was abandoned (there appeared a crack that made it useless for its intended purpose). The Aswan quarry was extensively used for granite, including the granite stones used in the pyramids. Most of the blocks in the pyramids are limestone blocks and were quarried on the sight, at Giza,

Why would the Egyptians, if they had the ability to create fake stones, have used these quarries in the first place?

It is amazing enough that the Egyptians were capable of quarrying these large stones.
Look at the gigantic size of the Unfinished Obelisk!!!

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Unread post by Lloyd » Wed Aug 14, 2024 8:40 pm

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SOFTEN STONE WITH ELECTRODES?

The Greatest Mystery, Solved. Recreating Ancient Stone Melding Technology (Part 1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8hRsg8tWXg

He says small holes in ancient megaliths are where electrodes were inserted to heat stone to soften it. He says by changing the polarity they could even reduce the weight to make them easier to lift and move. He shows that a couple electrodes were found in one of the air shafts or something in the Great Pyramid, I guess. I didn't hear him say where the electricity would have come from. Maybe if the atmosphere was highly electrified there was a way to store charge in large batteries of some kind.

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Unread post by Lloyd » Thu Aug 15, 2024 3:06 am

ANCIENT EGYPT INVASION THEORY

I had a brief thought that invasion may explain how knowledge of the functions of the pyramids etc was lost. David Rohl had a convincing video showing that probably after the Tower of Babel disaster in Mesopotamia many of the people sailed up the Red Sea and hauled their ships overland to the Nile River around Memphis or Luxor. I don't recall exactly where offhand. But they took over rulership of Egypt. If the pyramids were built before their arrival, the earlier people may have refused to explain how to operate the structures as chemical factories.

One point against that theory is the supposition that all of the early civilizations started when an advanced people, maybe from Atlantis, spread out around the world and started civilizations with similar megalithic structures and knowledge. So the Mesopotamian conquerors should have had the same knowledge as the first Egyptians. So I guess that idea bites the dust. The invasion theory isn't shot down, just the idea that knowledge of pyramid operation was lost is maybe shot down.


HOW SOPHISTICATED WERE THE ANCIENTS?

Nick says advanced tech wasn't needed to build the structures and to make the incredible objects found from ancient Egypt. Geoffrey Drumm and Marcell Foti agree that it was not as advanced as modern tech, but it was more advanced than mainstream science recognizes. Their chemistry and metallurgy were fairly advanced, apparently. Foti showed that natron gave the ability to soften stone to make it easier to quarry and metallurgy allowed them to figure out how to add arsenic to copper to make it cut stone much easier. And he showed how a water wheel could have powered a two-man handsaw to cut stone without manual labor. Drumm says they knew how to make copper pipes that could move methane and possibly even convert methane to hydrogen. That could have been used to move stone blocks on water. The pyramids could have been built by raising water up as they were being built and floating the blocks on the water.

I guess Nick's main concern is to shorten the ancient timeline to start about 1,000 BC, whereas I go with 3,000 BC or so. I may get around to looking into why Velikovsky claimed that some of the events described in Earth in Upheaval date to 1500 BC or later. I very much doubt that ancient history can be reduced that much, but I'll listen to evidence, though I don't expect to hear anything convincing.

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Unread post by Lloyd » Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:43 am

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ANCIENTS WERE FAIRLY ADVANCED

I wrote that post yesterday at https://cataclysmicearthhistory.substac ... y-advanced .
I combined much of what I've recently posted here from several websites into that post. It looks like natron, common in Egypt, made it much easier for them to soften hard stone and shape it. The similarity of megalithic structures around the globe makes it plausible that the builders all came from a central location, such as the Azores, which may have been Atlantis, since a submerged pyramid was found there. If it was real, Atlantis was likely flooded during the Younger Dryas cataclysmic Flood, which raised sea level rapidly. That was ~2,600 BC. Evidence of softened stone has been found around the world too, so natron was either common in all of those locations, or it was shipped there, or there were other means found to soften stone, possibly even electricity.

YOUTUBE
I'm hoping to start making Youtube videos soon. I'd like to discuss with anyone who may like to participate. Like if anyone wants to read a script on camera. Or if anyone would like to help upload, or help write scripts. My online books and substacks are at https://funday.createaforum.com/improve ... 38/#msg538 .

PS, I like this video: The Underhanded Ways Archaeologists Combat Criticism at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_k0CYBWzng and Bright Insight's recent videos. I don't like Graham Hancock, but he has a right to express his own theories.

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