Electric Sun
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Re: Electric Sun
These are some of Charles Chandler's best threads about the Electric Sun mostly.
CC: The Sun's Density Gradient (1/23/12-8/12/13)
http://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/phpBB3/v ... =10&t=5613
MM: Strengths and weaknesses of various EU solar models (3/27-29/12)
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... f=3&t=5869
LK: Electric Sun Discussions (5/15-10/17/12)
https://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/php ... =10&t=6124
LK: Please Review CC's Electric Sun Model (10/23/12-1/30/13)
https://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/php ... php?t=7342
LK: Anode Sun vs Cathode Sun (2/9/13-11/20/15)
http://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/phpBB3/v ... &start=150
PP: The Anode Sun Vs The Plasmoid Model (3/5-5/8/13)
https://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/php ... 10&t=11164
CC: CFDL solar model passes another test (8/22/14-1/9/15)
https://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/phpBB3/ ... hp?t=15230
LK: Most Thorough Model (11/2/14-5/10/19)
https://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/php ... 10&t=15374
CC: The Sun's Density Gradient (1/23/12-8/12/13)
http://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/phpBB3/v ... =10&t=5613
MM: Strengths and weaknesses of various EU solar models (3/27-29/12)
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... f=3&t=5869
LK: Electric Sun Discussions (5/15-10/17/12)
https://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/php ... =10&t=6124
LK: Please Review CC's Electric Sun Model (10/23/12-1/30/13)
https://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/php ... php?t=7342
LK: Anode Sun vs Cathode Sun (2/9/13-11/20/15)
http://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/phpBB3/v ... &start=150
PP: The Anode Sun Vs The Plasmoid Model (3/5-5/8/13)
https://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/php ... 10&t=11164
CC: CFDL solar model passes another test (8/22/14-1/9/15)
https://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/phpBB3/ ... hp?t=15230
LK: Most Thorough Model (11/2/14-5/10/19)
https://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/php ... 10&t=15374
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On the Electric Universe - Resources board, I have posted a copy of Wal Thornhill's summary of Juergen's model of an externally powered Sun.
This article originally appeared in the on line journal Thoth V3 #6
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/ph ... ?f=5&t=747
This article originally appeared in the on line journal Thoth V3 #6
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/ph ... ?f=5&t=747
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Nick, do you want to have a friendly debate on the issue?
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On C Chandlers website http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=6031
there is a list of topics under THE SUN.
There is no section on the chromosphere.
Wal Thornhill barely mentions the chromosphere
In the Juergen's summary, or elsewhere,
and has the sun discharging right through it.
The discussion from 2012 just leaves out the chromosphere.
The EU anode/cathode brouhaha ignores the chromosphere.
The hour long video with Wal and Dr Scott I watched recently leaves out the chromosphere.
NASA has very little to say about the chromosphere.
All the mainstream sites have little to say about the chromosphere.
When someone, EU or otherwise, explains the three separate plasma parts of the sun,
self constructed by the plasma, then I will be very interested.
there is a list of topics under THE SUN.
There is no section on the chromosphere.
Wal Thornhill barely mentions the chromosphere
In the Juergen's summary, or elsewhere,
and has the sun discharging right through it.
The discussion from 2012 just leaves out the chromosphere.
The EU anode/cathode brouhaha ignores the chromosphere.
The hour long video with Wal and Dr Scott I watched recently leaves out the chromosphere.
NASA has very little to say about the chromosphere.
All the mainstream sites have little to say about the chromosphere.
When someone, EU or otherwise, explains the three separate plasma parts of the sun,
self constructed by the plasma, then I will be very interested.
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Lloyd, the format of this forum is not conducive to a formal debate...if that is where you are going. We have tried that several times over the years and it just does not work. Since, as you have pointed out we are on the NIAMI board, you are free to comment upon or contest anything here.
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Jacmac,
In The Electric Sky, p.110, Scott describes the Chromosphere as a double layer(s) or containing double layers.
I don't know if that is what you are looking for.
In The Electric Sky, p.110, Scott describes the Chromosphere as a double layer(s) or containing double layers.
Scott wrote:Sometimes a magnetic field on the surface of the Sun forms an "omega" shaped loop. This loop extends out through the double sheath layer (DL) of the chromosphere.
I don't know if that is what you are looking for.
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Sounds like you think the Sun or its chromosphere is a living creature. You can always start a thread and see if anyone else wants to discuss that idea. It doesn't interest me.JM: The chromosphere is a spherical Double Layer
https://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/phpBB3 ... .php?t=657
On Jan 24, 2022 JacMac said:
_The plasma is using its double layer ability and its three part structure to ANCHOR ITSELF to whatever is within the sun.
_The plasma, being LIFE LIKE, can organize itself into being a sun.
_I think this "MOST IMPORTANT PROPERTY OF PLASMA" has been almost forgotten by the EU community at large.
_There is mostly emphasis on an electric circuit and the DISCHARGE of the sun, and not enough on the sun's life-like ability to collect itself around a suitable object, organize a structure that can self regulate, and light up the heavens.
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Nick, what about Discussion? Charles, Michael Mozina, Brant and I had discussions here in 2012 that seemed pretty productive.
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Jacmac:
Wikipedia shows us the red colour of the chromosphere during a solar eclipse, but the wavelength is at she short end of the UV according to SOHO, so how does it appear red? Earths atmosphere of course is doing the conversion. SOHO shows a yellow sun at 450nm which actually is blue, but I have yet to see any proof that the Sun directly emits any visible light at all.NASA has very little to say about the chromosphere.
All the mainstream sites have little to say about the chromosphere.
“I think 99 times and find nothing. I stop thinking, swim in silence, and the truth comes to me.” -Albert Einstein
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nick:
Dr. Scott says that in two (I think) places in his 1st book, and places a double layer (DL) clearly in his diagram of the
voltage vs distance chart on page 48 of his new book, The Interconnected Cosmos.
My point about the chromosphere is that it is largely ignored by the EU.
Dr. Scott does not talk about it in the text about the page 48 diagram.
Lloyd:
it reminded him of blood plasma and the "life like" properties of both.
I do ,however, think it would be productive to investigate further the ability of plasma in space to self regulate, and create the sun.
But for now I would like to ask you directly. What do you think of my support for your statement that
Do you see the connection I make between the term anode, and your power cable statement ?
Note: I'm not looking for agreement, just ,do you follow my argument ?
yes Nick, thanks. I know that, but I wanted to keep my list short.I don't know if that is what you are looking for.
Dr. Scott says that in two (I think) places in his 1st book, and places a double layer (DL) clearly in his diagram of the
voltage vs distance chart on page 48 of his new book, The Interconnected Cosmos.
My point about the chromosphere is that it is largely ignored by the EU.
Dr. Scott does not talk about it in the text about the page 48 diagram.
Lloyd:
Please don't go there. My use of "life like" comes from the person who gave plasma it's name; Irving Langmuir in about 1925....7 ?Sounds like you think the Sun or its chromosphere is a living creature.
it reminded him of blood plasma and the "life like" properties of both.
I do ,however, think it would be productive to investigate further the ability of plasma in space to self regulate, and create the sun.
But for now I would like to ask you directly. What do you think of my support for your statement that
?There's no power cable from some unknown generator to the Sun.
Do you see the connection I make between the term anode, and your power cable statement ?
Note: I'm not looking for agreement, just ,do you follow my argument ?
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@JacMac, no, I don't get your argument.
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Thanks Lloyd.
You asked: Where is the power cable to the sun ?
I basically said that your question was legitimate because the EU uses a CIRCUIT model for the sun.
Looking at a most elemental circuit for example: a D C voltage source and a light bulb.
When you connect the bulb (the load ) to the external voltage source you need two wires.
One to each side of the voltage source. Where you make the connection might be called the circuit nodes ( or electrodes ); an anode and a cathode.
A plasma in a Crooks tube has an anode end and a cathode end; each connected by wires to the external voltage source.
A plasma in a SAFIRE chamber has an anode part and a cathode part; each connected by wire to the external voltage source.
Therefore, a solar system that has an anode and a cathode requires, BY THE MEANING OF THE TERMS, each of those two parts to be connected to the outside voltage source. Therefore your question is valid based on the EU CIRCUIT model; and valid BASED ON USING THE TERMS ANODE AND CATHODE.
Do you follow this ?
From My google page:
You asked: Where is the power cable to the sun ?
I basically said that your question was legitimate because the EU uses a CIRCUIT model for the sun.
Looking at a most elemental circuit for example: a D C voltage source and a light bulb.
When you connect the bulb (the load ) to the external voltage source you need two wires.
One to each side of the voltage source. Where you make the connection might be called the circuit nodes ( or electrodes ); an anode and a cathode.
A plasma in a Crooks tube has an anode end and a cathode end; each connected by wires to the external voltage source.
A plasma in a SAFIRE chamber has an anode part and a cathode part; each connected by wire to the external voltage source.
Therefore, a solar system that has an anode and a cathode requires, BY THE MEANING OF THE TERMS, each of those two parts to be connected to the outside voltage source. Therefore your question is valid based on the EU CIRCUIT model; and valid BASED ON USING THE TERMS ANODE AND CATHODE.
Do you follow this ?
From My google page:
What is anode and cathode with examples?
Image result for define anode and cathode
An anode is an electrode through which the conventional current enters into a polarized electrical device. This contrasts with a cathode, an electrode through which conventional current leaves an electrical device.
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Charles critiqued Scott's Anode Sun model at http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=7855
I don't have time to comment yet, except to say that the Sun is more like a Lightbulb with an internal Battery. So its energy source is internal via compressive ionization due to gravitational maintenance of separation of charges in double layers. In the core the ions are compressed enough by gravity to push the electrons into an upper double layer. The Sun is slowly discharging electrons into the interplanetary medium. So the surface of the Sun is a cathode. The accelerating electrons pull protons along, but aren't able to recombine until they slow down enough near the orbit of Saturn.
I don't have time to comment yet, except to say that the Sun is more like a Lightbulb with an internal Battery. So its energy source is internal via compressive ionization due to gravitational maintenance of separation of charges in double layers. In the core the ions are compressed enough by gravity to push the electrons into an upper double layer. The Sun is slowly discharging electrons into the interplanetary medium. So the surface of the Sun is a cathode. The accelerating electrons pull protons along, but aren't able to recombine until they slow down enough near the orbit of Saturn.
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Ok, so you don't think the sun is externally powered.
Then whether or not there is a solar circuit is MOOT.
Thanks Lloyd.
Then whether or not there is a solar circuit is MOOT.
Thanks Lloyd.
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Charles explained that there is no evidence of a solar circuit externally. There is no megalightning discharging from the heliopause to the Sun's surface.
How are batteries made? By separation of opposite charges. Imploding interstellar filaments compress opposite charge streams into plasma spheres of charge-separated double layers (i.e. stars). As these spheres slowly discharge they give off heat and light energy.
How are batteries made? By separation of opposite charges. Imploding interstellar filaments compress opposite charge streams into plasma spheres of charge-separated double layers (i.e. stars). As these spheres slowly discharge they give off heat and light energy.
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