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The Suggested Squatterman Petroglyph in the Legends of the North American Indians, or:
The Hero Twin/Monster Slayer Myths
by Paulina West

Georgia and South Carolina Tribes

• The Creek Nation:
  By-the-Door and Thrown-Away are mythical twins whose mother was slain by a monster, and are known as "rowdy monster slayers."
  
  The Miccosukee Tribe:
  The Little Thunders are twin thunder gods.
  
  Cherokee Nation:
  As shared previously in the above Cherokee legend, the Thunderers or "Little People" were involved in slaying the old sun. The Thunderers are sky beings with power over lightning and thunder.
  Another powerful thunderbeing is the Tlanuwa, a giant thunderbird, known also for its battles with the horned serpent Uktena. If anyone remembers, we discussed the imagery of the horned serpent. A probable Electric Universe interpretation of the Horned Serpent is that it is a description of what's known as a return lightning bolt originating from the ground below, with characteristic branching lightning as it extends upward to meet the lightning discharges, striking from the intense plasma formation in the sky.
  
  The Chickasaw Tribe:
  Sint-Holo is the great horned serpent and avowed enemy of the Thunder spirits.

Suggested Squatterman Petroglyph in the Legends of the North American Indians, or:
The Hero Twin/Monster Slayer Myths
cont'd

New Jersey and Rhode Island Tribes

• The Lenape/Delaware Tribes:
  Mexaxcuk is the name of the Horned Serpent.
  Thunderbeings, or Pethakhuwayoh, are enemies of the horned serpents. These thunderbeings are sometimes portrayed as giant thunderbirds, and sometimes as sky beings with human attributes or forms, and they have power over lightning and thunder.
  In the Lenape Creation Story, Nanapush and Makimani are the names of the Twin Thunderbeings. Their mother was killed in childbirth. Nanapush is the brother who brought positive things into the world, while Makimani is responsible for bringing bad things into the world.

Here are two neighboring tribes that may share either a linguistic family, or have similar legends and names for things.

• The Narrenganset People:
  There are no surviving legends of the Thunderbeings, but they seem to have been "anthropomorphic sky beings like the Thunderers of the Lenape. Some relate them to Thunderbirds."
  The Narrenganset mythological character Wetucks "shares similarities with Nanabush." He is known as a culture hero or "transformer."
  If he is similar or equivalent to Nanabush, his original twin brother may have been Hobomock, or the spirit of death. This may be another regional instance of Twin Thunders, one good and one bad.

• The Niantic Tribe:
  Moshup is a hero or "transformer" figure. His wife Squant is a "Little Person" and has great magical powers. Hobomock is the manito of death and destructive opposition to the Great Spirit, or Cauntantowit. This may be another regional instance of Hero Twins who are separated in their roles of good brother/bad brother.

Earlier I said that the Hero Twins/Monster Slayers have many counterparts in the legends of the North American Indian Tribes. These are just a few examples from two different regions, New England and the Southeastern US, just to make good on the statement. There is no effort to include the legends themselves, just the names of the characters. There can sometimes be many surviving names of characters in legends, but few actual myths. I have not included other major characters in the legends such as the Creator and Rabbit or Coyote. I also previously cautioned about some of the folklore in which the Little People are not sky beings, but little dwarf-type figures. The horned serpents also have folklore in which they simply pull people down into the waters of lakes.





ref: native-languages.org
I have relied on the outstanding research and work of native-languages.org to find short descriptions and proper names of the Thunderbeings in these four states. The site is owned and operated by Native American researchers. The publisher has the very clearly stated view that "Shamans" and "Shamanism" are European fancies, not Native American words or roles. Despite a few broken links, it is a wonderful resource which I recommend.

I found a t-shirt of the Cherokee battle between a Thunderer/Little Person and the Uktena/Snake with Antlers:

https://ibb.co/F4CDqVJg

This is a vintage t-shirt from a Chrokee Indian museum.

Size Large, if anyone needs a last minute Christmas present.

Here's image of art over my fridge!
The Squatterman is Navaho sand painting I found in a Trading Post store in Nevada.
I placed it over the traditional east Indian dancing Shiva, which seems to me, since steeping myself in EU symbolism, to be an image of Saturn Sun Triple Constellation Saturn-Venus-Mars...anthropomorphised as the Celestial Being

https://ibb.co/wZCBt45J

That is gorgeous! thanks for the beautiful image of Siva and the interpretation suggesting an alignment of celestial bodies, philalethes!

Here is a Thunderbolts Picture of the Day about the legends surrounding the destruction of cities in India by unimaginably huge electric discharges, in which Stephen Smith also explores the high temperatures required to glassify sand:

• Mohenjo Daro
  
  • image: Some of the skeletons found at Mohenjo Daro
  
  October 22, 2013
  
  "Some have suggested ancient technology glassified these Indus Valley ruins but electricity is a more plausible explanation.
  
  Mesopotamia and the Fertile Crescent region are thought to be the “birthplace” of civilization and the central focus for human culture dating back to the beginning of recorded history. No one knows for sure just how old the generalized composite that we call “society” really is – both because of archeological deficiencies and because of radiometric disconformity – but one of the oldest sites is located in the Indus Valley of Pakistan and appears to date from around 3000-2500 BCE.
  
  There are many ways to date ancient artifacts and there are just as many ways to interpret the results from those techniques. It is not the purpose of this paper to address the difficulties inherent with using carbon 14, tree-rings, stratigraphic distribution, or any other methodology when attempting to place artifacts or habitations within a chronological sequence. Other articles have addressed those issues, as well as previous Picture of the Day discussions about radioactive decay rates and how external, ionizing sources can change isotope ratios.
  
  There is one intriguing aspect to Mohenjo-Daro that sets it apart from most ancient ruins. It is the one anomaly among several at the site that has caused some researchers to suggest that there might have been forces unleashed in the past that are comparable to modern weapons. Walls, pottery and other items found in the city have been turned into a kind of ceramic glass, indicating that they were exposed to thermal energy equivalent to 1500 Celsius. Evidence of ionizing radiation has also been found in some burial sites.
  
  The oldest myths of the Hindu religion, itself one of the oldest religions in the world, speak of gods flying in vehicles composed of dazzling light and intricately carved platforms called vimanas, that waged war with one another using energy beams of incredible power. In the Hindu religious text known as the Mahabharata, there is a description of one such vehicle:
  
  • “Gurkha flying in his swift and powerful Vimana hurled against the three cities of the Vrishis and Andhakas a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and fire, as brilliant as ten thousands suns, rose in all its splendor. It was the unknown weapon, the Iron Thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and Andhakas.”
  There are many speculations about what the vimanas were or what the Iron Thunderbolt might have been. Some of the more imaginative examples see UFO’s and alien spacecraft waging war against the backdrop of primitive humanity, leaving behind a mythological image of gods and demons in conflict. Since the old races were unable to comprehend the idea of technologies on such a vast scale, the only alternative was to invest the phenomena that they observed with divine power.
  
  Rather than presupposing a visitation from a super race of extraterrestrials, it is more probable that natural events – although orders of magnitude beyond what we experience today – imprinted themselves on the psyches of our ancestors and inspired the reports of gods in the sky.
  
  Several past Pictures of the Day dealt with gigantic geological formations all over the world and with craters exceeding 100 kilometers in diameter. In some cases, the craters are associated with glass spherules or large chunks of pure silica lying in broken pieces all over the desert floor. The fact that the Egyptians considered the “desert glass” from the Great Sand Sea to be sacred and used it to adorn their religious icons is significant because the vitrified walls of Mohenjo-Daro are also said to originate in the wars of the gods, or theomachia.
  
  What could account for fields of broken glass shards like those in Egypt, large sheets of glass like “Darwin glass” from Australia, and the fused pottery and melted ramparts of Mohenjo-Daro? In all these cases, it was probably gigantic plasma discharges in the form of lightning bolts and electric arcs that melted the ruins and fused the soils into glass. The timeframe is probably impossible to determine with any accuracy at this late date, but it seems evident that humanity had reached a high level of sophistication before being exposed to these cataclysmic events."
  
  Stephen Smith

Now what is very interesting here is that Anthony Peratt discovered the Squatterman Petroglyph through extremely high current z-pinches. You can try to introduce a magnet after the current is flowing, but the electrical discharge itself comes from the largest capacitor bank on the planet.

The legends surrounding the Hero Twins do correlate very well with the Squatterman Petroglyphs in their most important aspects as follows:

• 1 their representation in the Native American Tribal art as dynamic geometric forms

• 2 their match with the Squatterman Petroglyphs themselves, which do at times appear as twins

• 3 their actions in the myths which reflect the bolts of lightning both emanating from them towards the earth and also returning to them from the earth, in the form of "horned serpents" or "antlered serpents". These may be interpreted in the Electric Universe model as the return strokes branching back upward to the plasma form

I would like to share examples of the Twin Squatterman Petroglyphs from the rock art of the Columbia Plateau:
https://ibb.co/Jj2sK7Dt

In the book Coyote Was Going There edited by Jarold Ramsey, on page 41, there is a basket woven by a Wasco Indian, which pictures a pair of geometric human-like forms.

• https://i.ibb.co/MD52WhrD/DSCI1372.jpg
  Wasco basket courtesy of Thomas Burke Memorial Washington State Museum

On another topic here I have been exploring the legends of Northwest Indian Tribes which talk about a period in pre-historic times when there was a change of Suns. That is, there are legends that describe the death of an old Sun and the replacement by a new Sun. One of the legends is from the Wasco Tribe:

• This is a tale from a small tribe that lived along the mighty Columbia River, in three villages close to what is now the Dalles, and the Deschutes River. Today the Wasco tribe lives on the Warm Springs Indian Reservation with many other tribes of Oregon.
  
  Two Brothers Become Sun and Moon
  "A woman and her two sons lived below the Dalles."
  
  "...The mother told the boys to make bows and arrows, saying, 'I'll give you five quivers, and you can fill them. I'll trim robes for you with shells, then I'll tell you what to do.' The boys made arrows.
  
  She trimmed them beautiful robes, then said, 'I want to send you to kill Sun.' In those days the sun never moved out of his tracks, always stood directly overhead, and no living being could go far and live --so great was the heat.
  
  The mother said, 'When you kill the Sun, you can stay up there. One of you can be the Sun, the other Moon.' The boys were delighted. They started off and travelled south. When they got a little east of where Prineville now is, they wrestled with each other. Spider boy got thrown, and at that spot a great many camas roots came up. At every village to which they came, they told the people where they were going; and all were glad, for all were tired of Sun and his terrible heat. Finally the boys turned and travelled east, till they were nearly overcome by the heat.
  
  At last they came to a place from which, looking to the left, they could see a great ball of shining fire. They looked to the right, and there was a second ball of shining fire. They had gone up in the air, and had come to Moon's house. It was on the left side of Sun's house, not far away." "...Moon's daughter was very lame...The boys were amused when they saw her walk."
  
  "Moon's house was full of light, bright and dazzling. The boys ate, and then went out and came as near Sun's house as they could. It was so bright and hot that they couldn't get very near. They took their arrows and began to shoot at old Sun, who sat in his house. With their last arrow they killed the old man. Immediately there was no more strong light.
  
  They pulled out their arrows and said, 'We cannot both be Sun, we must kill Moon.' They killed Moon. Then they argued as to which should be Sun.
  
  The elder said, 'I will. I am older than you are. You can be Moon and take his daughter.' The younger brother agreed to this.
  
  Now the people below were very anxious to know where the two boys were who had travelled to the east. As the heat grew less and less, they said, 'It must be that the boys have done as they said.' The mother knew that they had been able to accomplish all they wished for. Now they went through the sky, and Moon followed Sun."

Hines, Donald M.. Celilo Tales, 1996.


What I would like to suggest is that the legends surrounding the Hero Twins and their depiction in art as looking very much like petroglyph forms, will lead to a better understanding of the events associated with these figures. In the case of NW and Canadian tribes, many of their legends retain stories of the sun darkening, aging, and being killed, and then being replaced by another sun. I thought the Wasco basket may be a depiction of the Two Brothers.

Thanks for the Twins meme.
According to Cardona et al, "ANU" was old Sumerian name for Saturn as the God Star overhead.
The World Tree or Umbilicus, Squatterman, Jack's Beanstalk , Jacob's Ladder, etc., seems a severed or lost highway for souls to return Home; hence another reason we sense a disconnect that the Old Ones had as they "walked with God."
The thing I couldn't place into this symbolic lexicon was that Anu had TWO sons, Enlil and Enki (Ea).
This twin phenom might relate to that mythos.

philalethes says, "The thing I couldn't place into this symbolic lexicon was that Anu had TWO sons, Enlil and Enki (Ea).
This twin phenom might relate to that mythos. "

That might be a match, and I hope you will keep us posted! If you find anything that links their representations to the plasma petroglyph clearly, I would love to hear more. Thanks again philalethes. It sent me down a very interesting avenue for a few hours (: