The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

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fosborn
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Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

Unread post by fosborn » Fri Oct 25, 2024 7:24 pm

BeAChooser wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 5:14 am Beware. Particle Physicists are thinking about wasting a whole lot more of your money. Look what one of them wants to build ...

https://gizmodo.com/collider-in-the-sea ... 2000508442
Is one of the elephants in the room, the repeatability of giant collider experiments?
. Maybe it's cheaper to retract all the published material that can't be independently tested? ;)
AI Overview...
The reproducibility crisis, also known as the replication crisis, is a problem in which many scientific studies are difficult or impossible to reproduce. This undermines the credibility of scientific findings and the scientific method itself.
Some reasons for the reproducibility crisis include:
Inappropriate practices
These include HARKing (Hypothesizing After the Results are Known), p-hacking, and selective reporting of positive results.
Lack of raw data
Researchers may not provide raw data, which makes it difficult to confirm that the results are based on actual data.
Publication bias
Systematic reviews can reveal that only positive studies are getting published, while negative findings are being left out.
Lack of regulations
There may not be enough regulations and checks to ensure that studies are reproducible.
The reproducibility crisis affects many fields, including social sciences and biomedical research. For example, in a 2016 survey, 70% of researchers reported that they had tried and failed to reproduce another scientist's experiments.
To address the reproducibility crisis, some suggest that researchers should be more careful when drawing strong conclusions. Others suggest that there should be independent, statistically rigorous confirmation of a paper's central hypothesis before publication.
Replication crisis - Wikipedia
Replication crisis/Wikipedia
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The replication crisis is an ongoing methodological crisis in which the results of many scientific studies are difficult or impossible to reproduce.
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Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

Unread post by BeAChooser » Tue Apr 01, 2025 10:47 pm

https://www.philstar.com/lifestyle/on-t ... -explained
Europe's physics lab CERN is planning to build a particle-smasher even bigger than its Large Hadron Collider to continue searching for answers to some of the universe's tiniest yet most profound mysteries.

The Future Circular Collider (FCC) has not yet received a political green light or funding. Even if approved, the vast project would not start operations until the 2040s — or be completed until the end of the century.

CERN's Large Hadron Collider (LHC), which famously discovered the "God particle" Higgs boson and is currently the world's powerful particle accelerator, is expected to have run its course by the 2040s.

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The future collider would be more than three times this size, stretching around 91 kilometers, also under the two countries.

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A feasibility study is under way for the FCC, which CERN estimated earlier this year will cost around $17 billion (P973 billion).
OK ... here's question: What has the LHC accomplished? How has it benefited all those who paid for it? Can they name, for example, any device, procedure or invention benefiting us that was created using the physics the LHC discovered? What about the number one discovery that the LHC always boast about … the Higgs Boson? Forbes Magazine asked the question in 2012 “How much does it cost to find a Higgs Boson?”? Their answer was over $13 billion dollars ($20 billion today). Now you’d think that if there were any tangible benefits to taxpayers derived from CERNs activities, they'd be able to point to something from their primary boast, the LHC. Especially if they’re now trying to sell a bigger, better … much more expensive … accelerator. But here’s what CERN's website says about that …

https://home.cern/science/physics/higgs-boson/why
How does the Higgs boson impact everyday life?

On the surface, it may seem that the Higgs boson does not affect everyday life. Not directly, anyway: it is a short-lived particle that does not make up the matter we are made of and interact with, and can only be observed in the extreme conditions created in particle accelerators.
Hmmmm. That doesn’t sound encouraging and indeed the article next blathers about how “curiosity has fueled the advancement of science” and how that has revolutionized everyday life. Well that's true, but how has the LHC and in particular, the Higgs Boson, revolutionized our lives? And here's what CERN says next ...
because of the nature of science, we do not know to what extent discoveries made now will impact our future. In other words, it may only be a matter of time before the Higgs boson directly influences society.
In other words, they're admitting that the Higgs Boson hasn't benefited us so far. But obviously they want to keep us shelling out money, so CERN lists the World Wide Web (which they claim to have invented) and the advancement of touchscreen technology when they created a simple interface to one of their accelerators as accomplishments affecting everyday life as benefits we've gotten from supporting their work. But those accomplishments had nothing to do with any physics discovered by their accelerators and any big project might have led to them. Plus, they all occurred long before the LHC came along. So as far as Higgs Boson is concerned ... it's strike two.

But not giving up, CERN next boasts about their role in the development of PET scans, radiation monitoring, and protecting cultural heritage with particle physics detectors. But again, PET scans were invented in the 70’s, long before the LHC, and the other two relatively minor accomplishments were derived without the aid of the LHC too. Obviously they know that so the article concludes by saying there are plenty more benefits … that
new technologies are continuously being developed from particle accelerators such as the LHC, despite their primary goal of searching for particles like the Higgs boson. These all have benefits to many different areas of society and will only continue expanding as research advances.


But if the LHC had actually discovered any of them, don’t you think they would just have said so in this article instead of waving hands? In short, the LHC has made a lot of scientists and equipment manufacturers wealthy, and given supportive mainstream and science/technology media something to write about and make money with, but it hasn't accomplished anything tangible for those who paid the enormous prices for it and it’s studies. And if the best CERN can come up with is to claim it’s “only a matter time” before a use can be found for the Higgs Boson, then that’s CERN’s way of admitting they can’t say when that will be and their webpage is just hopium filled propaganda to keep the money flowing to them … to keep them employed. And I think that's the SOLE purpose of the FCC as well ... to keep them and their business associates lucratively employed for many more decades to come ... ON OUR DIME.

When are taxpayers going to turn off the spiget giving away their hard earned income to grifters in this and so many other areas?

Just saying …

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Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

Unread post by BeAChooser » Sat Apr 05, 2025 3:08 am

https://cacm.acm.org/news/exascale-supe ... rk-energy/
U.S. National Laboratories (Argonne, Lawrence Livermore, and Oak Ridge) possess three of the world’s fastest exascale supercomputers (as of the November 2024 Top500 ranking), which are capable of performing one quintillion (a billion billion) operations per second. One of the highest priorities (among many) for these supercomputers is mapping and characterizing the 95% of the universe that is unseen but inferred to be there—namely, dark matter (~27%) and dark energy (~68%).
So one of the highest priorities for exascale supercomputer use is looking for gnomes that can only be inferred and whose value (to the people paying for all these machines and research efforts) they’ve been unable to define in ANY tangible way (see my many posts on that)? Seriously?

Can you imagine the cost of all this nonsense to taxpayers? The cost of just building LLNL’s Exascale super computer was $600 million. Oak Ridge’s Frontier exascale supercomputer also cost $600 million. Argonnes’ exascale supercomputer cost $500 million. And the cost of operating these computer is upwards of a $100 million a year EACH. Never mind all the other costs involved in the gnome industry.

If you ask me, the ONLY people benefiting from this government largess are those building the computers, running the computers, managing the gnome studies, employed by the gnome studies, writing speculative gnome study papers, and then publishing countless articles about the gnomes to keep the public shelling out money year after year after year after year ... into eternity. This is such a huge scam that DOGE should investigate, if you ask me.

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Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

Unread post by BeAChooser » Tue May 13, 2025 3:27 am

Darn. More bad news for mainstream astrophysics …

https://phys.org/news/2025-05-results-h ... -dark.html
Results of the HAYSTAC Phase II search for dark matter axions

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In a recent paper published in Physical Review Letters, the HAYSTAC collaboration has reported the results of the broadest search for axions performed to date, utilizing a technique known as quantum squeezing, which is designed to reduce quantum noise (i.e., random fluctuations that adversely affect their haloscope's measurements).

… skipping down to the bottom of the article …

While they did not detect any signals that could be linked to axions, the team was able to search a larger parameter space.
If Grok is right, that’s another $2.4 million dollars (at least) down the drain. Does that mean they’re giving up? Don’t be ridiculous …
In the future, they plan to continue improving the HAYSTAC equipment and continue their search for axion dark matter, while also working on other dark matter searches using haloscopes and equipment at Yale.

"We have several ideas on pushing the experiment to search for axions with higher masses, and we are working on several quantum technology-inspired ideas to improve the detection techniques," said Danielle Speller, co-author of the paper.
K'ching K'ching

And when one experiment fails … there are always others …

https://interestingengineering.com/scie ... ark-matter
Scientists have tried numerous ways to catch this mysterious form of matter, but it has managed to allude researchers almost every time. However, the latest results from MADMAX (MAgnetized Disc and Mirror Axion eXperiment) suggest we’re closer than ever to detecting dark matter.
Gosh that sounds encouraging!

And what results suggest we’re closer than ever to detecting DM?

Well, later in the article it states …
Although the researchers did not find a signal, they were able to rule out the presence of dark photons in this mass range at an unprecedented level of sensitivity, many many times better than previous efforts at similar frequencies.
So once again, failure is success! 

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