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Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

by BeAChooser » Tue May 13, 2025 3:27 am

Darn. More bad news for mainstream astrophysics …

https://phys.org/news/2025-05-results-h ... -dark.html
Results of the HAYSTAC Phase II search for dark matter axions

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In a recent paper published in Physical Review Letters, the HAYSTAC collaboration has reported the results of the broadest search for axions performed to date, utilizing a technique known as quantum squeezing, which is designed to reduce quantum noise (i.e., random fluctuations that adversely affect their haloscope's measurements).

… skipping down to the bottom of the article …

While they did not detect any signals that could be linked to axions, the team was able to search a larger parameter space.
If Grok is right, that’s another $2.4 million dollars (at least) down the drain. Does that mean they’re giving up? Don’t be ridiculous …
In the future, they plan to continue improving the HAYSTAC equipment and continue their search for axion dark matter, while also working on other dark matter searches using haloscopes and equipment at Yale.

"We have several ideas on pushing the experiment to search for axions with higher masses, and we are working on several quantum technology-inspired ideas to improve the detection techniques," said Danielle Speller, co-author of the paper.
K'ching K'ching

And when one experiment fails … there are always others …

https://interestingengineering.com/scie ... ark-matter
Scientists have tried numerous ways to catch this mysterious form of matter, but it has managed to allude researchers almost every time. However, the latest results from MADMAX (MAgnetized Disc and Mirror Axion eXperiment) suggest we’re closer than ever to detecting dark matter.
Gosh that sounds encouraging!

And what results suggest we’re closer than ever to detecting DM?

Well, later in the article it states …
Although the researchers did not find a signal, they were able to rule out the presence of dark photons in this mass range at an unprecedented level of sensitivity, many many times better than previous efforts at similar frequencies.
So once again, failure is success! 

Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

by BeAChooser » Sat Apr 05, 2025 3:08 am

https://cacm.acm.org/news/exascale-supe ... rk-energy/
U.S. National Laboratories (Argonne, Lawrence Livermore, and Oak Ridge) possess three of the world’s fastest exascale supercomputers (as of the November 2024 Top500 ranking), which are capable of performing one quintillion (a billion billion) operations per second. One of the highest priorities (among many) for these supercomputers is mapping and characterizing the 95% of the universe that is unseen but inferred to be there—namely, dark matter (~27%) and dark energy (~68%).
So one of the highest priorities for exascale supercomputer use is looking for gnomes that can only be inferred and whose value (to the people paying for all these machines and research efforts) they’ve been unable to define in ANY tangible way (see my many posts on that)? Seriously?

Can you imagine the cost of all this nonsense to taxpayers? The cost of just building LLNL’s Exascale super computer was $600 million. Oak Ridge’s Frontier exascale supercomputer also cost $600 million. Argonnes’ exascale supercomputer cost $500 million. And the cost of operating these computer is upwards of a $100 million a year EACH. Never mind all the other costs involved in the gnome industry.

If you ask me, the ONLY people benefiting from this government largess are those building the computers, running the computers, managing the gnome studies, employed by the gnome studies, writing speculative gnome study papers, and then publishing countless articles about the gnomes to keep the public shelling out money year after year after year after year ... into eternity. This is such a huge scam that DOGE should investigate, if you ask me.

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Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

by BeAChooser » Tue Apr 01, 2025 10:47 pm

https://www.philstar.com/lifestyle/on-t ... -explained
Europe's physics lab CERN is planning to build a particle-smasher even bigger than its Large Hadron Collider to continue searching for answers to some of the universe's tiniest yet most profound mysteries.

The Future Circular Collider (FCC) has not yet received a political green light or funding. Even if approved, the vast project would not start operations until the 2040s — or be completed until the end of the century.

CERN's Large Hadron Collider (LHC), which famously discovered the "God particle" Higgs boson and is currently the world's powerful particle accelerator, is expected to have run its course by the 2040s.

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The future collider would be more than three times this size, stretching around 91 kilometers, also under the two countries.

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A feasibility study is under way for the FCC, which CERN estimated earlier this year will cost around $17 billion (P973 billion).
OK ... here's question: What has the LHC accomplished? How has it benefited all those who paid for it? Can they name, for example, any device, procedure or invention benefiting us that was created using the physics the LHC discovered? What about the number one discovery that the LHC always boast about … the Higgs Boson? Forbes Magazine asked the question in 2012 “How much does it cost to find a Higgs Boson?”? Their answer was over $13 billion dollars ($20 billion today). Now you’d think that if there were any tangible benefits to taxpayers derived from CERNs activities, they'd be able to point to something from their primary boast, the LHC. Especially if they’re now trying to sell a bigger, better … much more expensive … accelerator. But here’s what CERN's website says about that …

https://home.cern/science/physics/higgs-boson/why
How does the Higgs boson impact everyday life?

On the surface, it may seem that the Higgs boson does not affect everyday life. Not directly, anyway: it is a short-lived particle that does not make up the matter we are made of and interact with, and can only be observed in the extreme conditions created in particle accelerators.
Hmmmm. That doesn’t sound encouraging and indeed the article next blathers about how “curiosity has fueled the advancement of science” and how that has revolutionized everyday life. Well that's true, but how has the LHC and in particular, the Higgs Boson, revolutionized our lives? And here's what CERN says next ...
because of the nature of science, we do not know to what extent discoveries made now will impact our future. In other words, it may only be a matter of time before the Higgs boson directly influences society.
In other words, they're admitting that the Higgs Boson hasn't benefited us so far. But obviously they want to keep us shelling out money, so CERN lists the World Wide Web (which they claim to have invented) and the advancement of touchscreen technology when they created a simple interface to one of their accelerators as accomplishments affecting everyday life as benefits we've gotten from supporting their work. But those accomplishments had nothing to do with any physics discovered by their accelerators and any big project might have led to them. Plus, they all occurred long before the LHC came along. So as far as Higgs Boson is concerned ... it's strike two.

But not giving up, CERN next boasts about their role in the development of PET scans, radiation monitoring, and protecting cultural heritage with particle physics detectors. But again, PET scans were invented in the 70’s, long before the LHC, and the other two relatively minor accomplishments were derived without the aid of the LHC too. Obviously they know that so the article concludes by saying there are plenty more benefits … that
new technologies are continuously being developed from particle accelerators such as the LHC, despite their primary goal of searching for particles like the Higgs boson. These all have benefits to many different areas of society and will only continue expanding as research advances.


But if the LHC had actually discovered any of them, don’t you think they would just have said so in this article instead of waving hands? In short, the LHC has made a lot of scientists and equipment manufacturers wealthy, and given supportive mainstream and science/technology media something to write about and make money with, but it hasn't accomplished anything tangible for those who paid the enormous prices for it and it’s studies. And if the best CERN can come up with is to claim it’s “only a matter time” before a use can be found for the Higgs Boson, then that’s CERN’s way of admitting they can’t say when that will be and their webpage is just hopium filled propaganda to keep the money flowing to them … to keep them employed. And I think that's the SOLE purpose of the FCC as well ... to keep them and their business associates lucratively employed for many more decades to come ... ON OUR DIME.

When are taxpayers going to turn off the spiget giving away their hard earned income to grifters in this and so many other areas?

Just saying …

Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

by fosborn » Fri Oct 25, 2024 7:24 pm

BeAChooser wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 5:14 am Beware. Particle Physicists are thinking about wasting a whole lot more of your money. Look what one of them wants to build ...

https://gizmodo.com/collider-in-the-sea ... 2000508442
Is one of the elephants in the room, the repeatability of giant collider experiments?
. Maybe it's cheaper to retract all the published material that can't be independently tested? ;)
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Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

by BeAChooser » Mon Oct 21, 2024 5:14 am

Beware. Particle Physicists are thinking about wasting a whole lot more of your money. Look what one of them wants to build ...

https://gizmodo.com/collider-in-the-sea ... 2000508442
Peter McIntyre, a physicist and particle accelerator expert at Texas A&M University, and his colleagues think there may be more particles and natural forces in the universe that, like the Higgs boson, can only be discovered through high energy collisions—bigger collisions than the Large Hadron Collider can create. Gizmodo interviewed him about his ambitious proposal for a machine that could make those discoveries: A particle accelerator 2,000 kilometers in circumference floating in the Gulf of Mexico, which McIntyre and his colleagues have dubbed Collider in the Sea.

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I’m proposing to go up to 2,000 kilometers in circumference and make a ring that would inscribe the Gulf of Mexico. I set that scale somewhat arbitrarily by what Mother Earth has sitting there available to us. That 2,000-kilometer circumference would enable you to build a collider that’s 500 tera-electron-volt collision energy. [Editor’s note: For comparison, the Large Hadron Collider produces collisions at 14 TeV.]

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I’ve presented this at international conferences of accelerator builders and no one has come up with a deal breaker in those meetings.

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Gizmodo: How much would the collider in the sea likely cost?

McIntyre: It’s very problematic to throw costs out at this stage of such a thing, but somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 to 30 billion dollars. Which is about the same as the public has spent on the entire field of high energy physics in its history in the whole world.
And for all that money …
Gizmodo: How confident are you that there’s something else that could only be discovered with a bigger collider?

McIntyre: I would have to say I am not confident there are other point-like particles even remotely within reach of a terrestrial accelerator or collider to discover them directly. I would say I’m strongly hopeful, but I am not confident.
And he gives the same reason they give for the endlessly hopeful and endlessly fruitless dark matter search …
Gizmodo: If there’s no guarantee we’ll find a new particle, why is it worth spending tens of billions of dollars to build a collider at this scale?

McIntyre: That’s a piece of epistemology. You can’t say why it’s important until you know what it is.
If you ask me, these people need to be reigned in and forced to actually work for a living. Just saying …

Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

by Phorce » Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:34 pm

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Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

by BeAChooser » Wed Sep 11, 2024 6:10 pm

What a waste of resources …

https://interestingengineering.com/scie ... r-detector
Researchers in the UK have taken a major step forward toward understanding dark matter, a substance that makes up about 85% of the universe’s mass but has so far proven undetectable.

They have started work on building “the world’s largest and most advanced rare-particle detector.” This new instrument will search for dark matter particles and other new physics phenomena that have previously escaped detection.

The project is being led by Imperial College London, in collaboration with the Science and Technology Facilities Council’s (STFC) Boulby Underground Laboratory, which are part of the global Xenon Lux-Zeplin Darwin (XLZD) Consortium.

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The proposed detector is a major leap in dark matter research. It is expected to be ten times the size of the current leading experiment, known as the LZ experiment.

This increase in size will significantly enhance the detector’s sensitivity, meaning it will be able to detect a wider range of potential dark matter particles. 

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“This will allow for a definitive search for the interactions of dark matter particles with masses above a few protons, and also for evidence of particle decays that could help explain why the universe seems to contain ordinary matter but little antimatter, and other rare phenomena that could bring evidence of new physics,” highlighted the press release.

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A team at STFC is working on a new underground science facility at Boulby mine, which might host the XLZD detector.

This facility will be developed in two stages: first, a clean manufacturing facility at about 3600 feet (1,100 meters) depth, followed by a large laboratory hall at around 4300 feet (1,300 meters) depth to house the experiment.

The detector will be an extensive underground structure, similar to a giant “thermos flask,” that will hold up to 100 tons of liquid xenon.
Price tag? Well, they aren’t telling the public that … at least that information seems to be as hard to find on the internet as dark matter. But deep underground facilities can’t be cheap. And xenon? One source I found says xenon currently costs about $850 per kg. A 100 ton is over 90000 kg, so the xenon alone will cost over $76 million and it probably has to be processed further for the experiment. Plus the price might go up from the demand since this is more than 2 years of the entire world’s production of xenon! So call it a $100 million, just for starters. And consider that Xenon has many other uses. Grabbing that much of the supply will increase the price to those other users, who will pass the increases on to us consumers. The cost to us will probably be far more than $100 million. And for what? What use is DM? How is finding evidence that it actually exists, IF they do (and I wouldn’t bet MY dime on that), going to change any of our lives or our children’s for the better? Seriously, don't you think this question deserves to be answered before we keep giving millions and billions of dollars to these charlatans. Yet I can't find a reasonable answer anywhere. Just another Dark Secret.

Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

by BeAChooser » Sat Jun 29, 2024 7:40 pm

https://www.moneycontrol.com/science/se ... 58770.html
Scientists have got a clue of the self-interacting matter presence in the nearby galaxy named Crater II, this is a hypothetical dark matter which particles are speculated to do interaction via unknown force named hitherto. This galaxy is located alongside of our own galaxy around 380,000 light-years away from Earth. This discovery could contribute to 90 years of research on dark matter.
Think about that.

They’ve spent NINETY YEARS (and uncounted billions) looking for dark matter.

Without success.

Without consequences.

And for no good reason.


But the ridiculous waste of resources continues unabated.

Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

by BeAChooser » Sat Jun 15, 2024 5:04 am

https://www.newsweek.com/construction-s ... pe-1912756
Construction will soon commence on what it set to be the world's most powerful telescope.

The Giant Magellan Telescope is engineered with seven of the world's largest mirrors to discover Earth-like planets and search for life, study the cosmic origins of chemical elements, unravel the mysteries of dark matter and dark energy, and investigate the formation of the first stars, galaxies, and black holes.

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Upon completion, the 65-meter-tall structure will be one of the largest mechanized buildings ever built.

"The Giant Magellan Telescope is a $2.5 billion scale project. When complete, it will be one of the largest public-private funded science projects in history" a spokesperson for the project told Newsweek.
Two question and two comments.

First, what good will anything this telescope discovers do for people alive now on earth?

Second, since they are already building a Thirty Meter Telescope (even bigger than the GMT), why do we need two telescopes?

Third, they call the GMT a public-private funded project but the truth is the bulk of the money is coming from taxpayers.

Fourth, the cost estimate for the GMT was $1 billion in 2018. What do you imagine it will cost by the time it’s finished? $5 billion?

I view Steven Chu as a Fauci of AGWalarmism

by BeAChooser » Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:40 am

I say "a" and not "the" because there are many Anthony Fauci's when it comes to AGWalarmism.

Chu was the US Energy Secretary under Obama.

Here's his latest pronouncement ...

https://www.ft.com/content/4e0d1823-8ae ... etype=gift

If you can’t get through he paywall, don’t worry … you didn’t miss anything. He said just what you’d expect an AGWalarmist to say and his track record on such things isn’t very good. Back in 2011, he announced (https://www.americansecurityproject.org ... itive-chu/) “Clean sources of energy such as wind and solar will be no more expensive than oil and gas projects by the end of the decade”. He said “Before maybe the end of this decade, I see wind and solar being cost-competitive without subsidy with new fossil fuel.” The proof that’s not true is that the Biden Administration in Build Back Better 2021 extended the Production Tax Credit (i.e., subsidies on Wind and Solar) for the 14th time. In 2009, Chu, who lives in the San Francisco Bay Area, also warned of drought saying (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html) “I don’t think the American public has gripped in its gut what could happen. We’re looking at a scenario where there’s no more agriculture in California.” Of course, that didn’t happen either.

But at least he’s likely right about one thing. According the the Financial Times article, “On nuclear fusion, which promises almost limitless energy, Chu expects an even longer wait: 'minimum 40 years' to bring a commercial reactor into operation.”

Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

by BeAChooser » Tue May 28, 2024 3:36 am

https://yourstory.com/2024/05/nasa-trou ... e-humanity
NASA is in Trouble! And Why Does it Affect the Future of Humanity?

For 2024, the White House requested $27.2 billion for NASA, but Congress approved only $24.875 billion, an 8.5% reduction from the requested amount . This discrepancy marks the largest gap between requested and appropriated funding for NASA since 1992, forcing the agency to navigate a challenging fiscal environment.

The budget cuts have already led to significant layoffs and delays in crucial projects. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, responsible for the Mars Sample Return mission, announced it would dismiss 530 employees due to funding reductions . The Mars Sample Return mission, initially planned for 2033, now faces a delay until 2040, with its 2024 funding slashed from $949 million to $300 million . This delay is compounded by technical challenges and budget overruns, casting doubt on the mission's feasibility.

Other missions affected include the Chandra X-ray Observatory, which faces budget cuts reducing its funding to below 8% of 2023 levels over the next five years, despite its continued operational functionality . The ambitious James Webb Space Telescope (JWST), although a recent success, exemplifies the financial strain of flagship missions with its costs ballooning to nearly $10 billion from an initial half-billion estimate .

Reason 1: The Burden of Flagship Missions NASA's flagship missions, while groundbreaking, often suffer from significant budget overruns and delays. The JWST is a prime example, with its development costs increasing from an initial estimate of $500 million to nearly $10 billion. This escalation was due to technical challenges, rigorous testing requirements, and multiple errors during the project's development . Such cost overruns have a ripple effect, diverting funds from other critical projects and delaying subsequent missions.

Similarly, the Hubble Space Telescope, proposed in 1977 with a budget of $400 million, was not launched until 1990 at a cost of $1.5 billion. Even then, it required an additional $1.5 billion for in-orbit repairs . These budgetary challenges forced NASA to make severe cuts to other programs, delaying missions like the Laser Interferometer Space Antenna (LISA) and impacting the overall funding landscape for astronomy .

Reason 2: Climate Change: A Growing Threat The impacts of climate change present another significant challenge to NASA's future. As climate change exacerbates, its economic repercussions will increasingly strain federal budgets. The United States currently experiences an extreme weather event causing at least a billion dollars of damage every three weeks . This trend is expected to worsen, with projections estimating climate change could cost the US up to $2 trillion annually by 2100.

These escalating costs will force the government to prioritise immediate climate-related needs over long-term scientific endeavors. NASA's budget, already constrained, may face further cuts as resources are diverted to address the immediate impacts of climate change. This shift in funding priorities could stall or even halt significant scientific missions aimed at exploring the cosmos and understanding our place in it .
Boo Hoo! It’s hard to feel sorry for people who’ve insisted on living off gnomes the last 50 years and who have supported the lie of AGWalarmism, rather than doing real science that might actually help the human race.
Beyond the numbers, these cuts threaten to stifle human curiosity and our drive to explore the cosmos.
That’s garbage. People will remain curious long after the mainstreams gnomes have finally ended up in the trash can. More and more of us are just growing sick and tired of being asked to blindly give them billions and billions for bogus science that will do nothing to improve the lot of those paying for it. Maybe when the astrophysicists and NASA get their house in order, we'll be interested in funding them again.

The future is bright for astronomy, and very expensive

by BeAChooser » Sun May 26, 2024 4:39 pm

https://www.space.com/bright-and-expens ... -astronomy
The next generation of extremely large telescopes will have 100 times the light-gathering power and 10 times the image quality of the Hubble Space Telescope. However, they’re running into serious funding problems. There are two American-led projects with international partners. The Thirty Meter Telescope (TMT) project uses a design with 492 mirror segments. It faces headwinds from the opposition of native Hawaiians to construction of another large telescope on Mauna Kea, which they consider to be a sacred site. Another project, the Giant Magellan Telescope (GMT), is combining seven 8.4-meter mirrors to make an effective 25-meter aperture.

The TMT project is stalled as it negotiates a way to begin construction in Hawaii. The GMT and another large telescope being built in Chile, the Rubin Observatory, are facing escalating costs. The pandemic, inflation, and supply chain problems are to blame. TMT and GMT will each cost around $3 billion. Both have philanthropic support, but they also rely on federal funding. For a while, the National Science Foundation (NSF) supported both projects. But recently, the National Science Board set a cap of $1.6 billion on federal support for large telescopes and gave the NSF until May to decide which project to support. One large telescope will be left out in the cold.

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Space telescopes cost a thousand times more per kilogram than ground-based telescopes, but they're worth their high price. These telescopes gain the benefit of the total darkness of a space environment, and many forms of radiation that these telescopes can observe such as gamma rays, ultraviolet light, and infrared radiation cannot penetrate the Earth’s atmosphere to reach ground-based telescopes. 

One such instrument, the Hubble Space Telescope has run up a total cost of $16 billion since the U.S. Congress approved its mission in 1977. Another, NASA’s James Webb Telescope, faced delays and technical challenges, and its budget ballooned to $5 billion. Its price tag helped it earn the nickname “the telescope that ate astronomy” — and that was in 2010. By the time of its launch in 2021, the price tag had doubled to $10 billion. 

NASA has other exciting missions in the pipeline. The Roman Space Telescope, with a 2.4-meter mirror but a hundred times Hubble’s field of view, is likely to cost over $3 billion, and the Habitable Worlds Observatory, designed to “sniff” the atmospheres of Earth-like planets for traces of biology, will come in around $11 billion.
Add all that up and it's a lot of money. FOR WHAT?

To keep would are astronomers and astrophysicists busy?

How will anything they likely find change life for those paying for these toys?

Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

by BeAChooser » Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:01 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/us ... r-AA1nfA1x
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. senators from both parties introduce legislation on Thursday to accelerate development of power plants run by nuclear fusion reactions, an emerging technology that one day could help fight climate change.
Let’s rephrase that sentence so it’s more truthful …

Ignorant power hungry authoritarians on both sides of the UNIPARTY race to spend vast amounts of your money on a boondoggle purportedly to solve a non-existent problem but in reality to increase their control over YOU.

Just saying ...

Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

by BeAChooser » Fri Apr 05, 2024 3:50 am

Here’s a recent paper by Eric Lerner with some interesting observations about achieving viable commercial fusion …

https://pubs.aip.org/aip/pop/article/30 ... ion-energy
What are the fastest routes to fusion energy?

In recent years, the effort to develop practical fusion energy has rapidly evolved from a focus on only tokamak and laser inertial devices to include a wide array of approaches. We survey this increasingly diverse set of routes to fusion to assess what approaches are likely to lead to practical fusion with the least outlay of resources and thus are potentially the fastest routes. While a conclusive answer can only be determined once some approach actually succeeds in producing a practical fusion-energy generator, and the speed of advance depends on the allocation of resources, it is possible to arrive at tentative conclusions now. We find that basic, long-standing obstacles make the path to practical fusion more difficult, and more resource-intensive, for all approaches using deuterium fuels (DT, DHe3) as well as for approaches with low-density plasma.
In other words, he's questioning whether efforts like JET, ITER, KSTAR, Commonwealth Fusion Systems (CFS), and other tokamak type reactors can ever succeed in providing a viable, cost efficient, commercial fusion reactor. Regarding these efforts, he says this ...
Fusion research long emphasized deuterium–tritium (DT) fuel, as this fuel achieved significant fusion reaction rates at lower ion temperatures (Ti) than any other fuel. However, the DT reaction releases most of its energy in the form of a 14 MeV neutron. Since the early days of fusion energy work, researchers have been aware that this situation generates barriers to rapid deployment of any DT-based fusion generators and, conversely, puts a floor on the capital cost of such generators.

This is because there is no known way to convert neutron kinetic energy into electricity except by a conventional thermal generation system, as has been used in electric systems for well over a century. In existing fossil fuel generation plants, the energy conversion system, such as a steam turbine and generator, constitutes 80% or more of the capital cost. The conversion technology is by now extremely mature, and capital costs for these systems alone are in the area of $1–1.5/W of installed capacity.

These two considerations mean that it is practically impossible for any DT system to have capital costs less than existing fossil fuel plants. This, of course, does not mean that the delivered cost of electricity, which includes the fuel price, could not be less for DT fusion plants. However, it sets a floor on the minimum capital cost of a transition from fossil fuels to DT fusion generation.

Since about 50% of all energy use is for heating and would not necessarily require conversion to electricity, a complete conversion to DT fusion would require, at 2023 levels of energy consumption of 20 TW, a minimum of $10 trillion for energy conversion equipment alone. In itself, this is not a prohibitive amount over a 15-year transition period, as compared with fossil fuel costs in the area of $75 trillion over the same period at present prices.
In other words, he predicting there will be NO cheap electricity by this route ... as has been promised over and over during development of tokamak fusion reactors. In fact, Atomic Energy Commission Chairman Lewis Straus, back in 1954, said that fusion would provide power “too cheap to meter”. And they are still promising “limitless” energy from it … effectively the same thing. Which means they are still LYING. Here are some examples …

https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/0 ... rbon-free/
Last September, researchers at Commonwealth Fusion Systems slowly charged a 10-ton D-shaped magnet, pushing up the field strength until it surpassed 20 tesla—a record for a magnet of its kind. The company’s founders say the feat addressed the major engineering challenge required to develop a compact, inexpensive fusion reactor.

Fusion power has been a dream of physicists for decades. At temperatures well above 100 million degrees, as in the sun, atomic nuclei mash together, releasing a massive amount of energy in the process. If researchers can bring about these reactions in a controlled and sustained way here on Earth, it could provide a crucial source of cheap, always-on, carbon-free electricity, using nearly limitless fuel sources. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/18/busi ... nergy.html
David Harding, the founder of two investment management firms who has holdings worth an estimated £27 million, is one of Tokamak Energy’s key backers. He said that he had long been attracted to the idea of “cheap unlimited energy through scientific wizardry” but that now the “whole impetus of global warming makes it seem even more of a no-brainer.”
If Lerner is right, these folks are lying to us and potential investors.

Now regarding the alternatives, Lerner notes that
the approaches that combine hydrogen–boron (pB11) fuel with high-density plasma have an easier, less resource-intensive path. At present, only a few private companies have joined the government projects in actually publishing fusion yield results. However, so far these results reflect the basic advantages of high-plasma-density approaches.
He goes on to note that a
pB11-fueled generator would produce energy almost entirely in the form of either charged particle kinetic energy or x-rays. In both cases, several direct conversion schemes have been proposed or developed for other applications. These include photoelectric conversion for x-rays and both electrostatic and electromagnetic deceleration for charged particle beams. In the case of many of these technologies, no secure cost estimates can be obtained. However, an idea of the cost advantage over thermal conversion can be obtained by looking at one-of-a-kind or low-unit costs of direct energy conversion technologies such as gyrotrons, which convert electron beam energy into microwaves. One-of-a-kind or small numbers, <20, of 1 MW gyrotrons typically have prices of around $1/W. With reasonable scaling for mass production in thousands or millions of units that would be needed for a full transition to fusion, cost reductions to the area of $0.1/W are to be expected, reducing the minimum energy conversion costs for such a transition to the region of $1 trillion.

Other inherent aspects of DT devices also will increase cost and slow rollout. Neutron damage to structures, not present with pB11, will shorten generator lifetime and produce radioactive materials that will need to be disposed of. The essential tritium-breeding blanket is an additional cost not needed in pB11 devices. Thus, exclusive of the actual design of the fusion generators, a transition to DT fusion energy will require considerably more resources than one to pB11 fusion, or equivalently will take longer for a given level of investment.
Obviously, there may be some clear economic advantages of pB11, but as he point out ...
little or no government funding has been provided for approaches using this fuel.
Why do you think that is? I think it’s about CONTROL.

With just a few big reactors, the governments can easily control us.

But in a power grid with millions of units, that control will be much more difficult.

Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

by BeAChooser » Fri Apr 05, 2024 3:36 am

In 2020 the Korea Superconducting Tokamak Advanced Research (KSTAR) reactor was able to maintain a 100 million degree Celsius plasma for 20 seconds! Two years later, in September 2022, they maintained 100 million degree Celsius plasma for 30 seconds! The media just announced (https://www.popularmechanics.com/scienc ... or-plasma/) that they “shattered” (!) that record, maintaining the plasma at 100 million degrees Celsius for 48 seconds! From all at the hoopla in the media, you’d think they achieved something spectacular ... that cheap, fusion power is now just around the corner. But their goal is to contain the 100 million degree plasma for 300 seconds by 2026. If it took them a year and a half to raise the containment time from 20 to 30 seconds. and another year and a half to increase it from 30 to 48 seconds, I’d say they’ve got their work cut out for them if they’re going to meet their 2026 goal. ;)

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