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by **Cargo** » Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:10 pm

Higgsy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:51 amYour rather sad attempts to avoid the question are clear

Complete irony overload. How many questions did I ask you just in this thread alone, that you avoided completely.
And the reason you avoid them is because maybe you realize (or maybe not) that the questions are leading you to a conclusion that you will refuse to accept because of your belief in Dark Dogma Magic Bangs. And it's not so much that you need to believe me, but that you are incapable or unwilling to stop believing something else. I imagine your peers from wherever you came from would destroy you and throw you out on the street quicker they you can say 'but, but' if you even in the slightest show a hint of un-believing the mainstream priests.

Back on topic, do you recall the particle 'made in the hottest fires' which were found in the dust of comets?
You see, if you can see, that the universe if pervasively and totally electrically active, 99.9% in the Plasma State, you will have no need for DM/DE or any of that wacky cult crap that you can't stop believing in.

by **JHL** » Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:22 pm

Higgsy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:51 amscience

Uh oh. My eyes just glazed over again - Terminal Boredom Onset warning! We've a scientismist present with minors in ironic fallacy and semantic gymnastics.

by **Higgsy** » Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:51 am

Cargo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:07 am You mean the missing mass problem that Dark Matter and Dark Energy were created for? The logic of it all is blowing right by your closed eyes.

A "logic" that you seem completely incapable of articulating. A "logic" which exists entirely in your own mind. So what is the "logic" that explains how the discovery of traces of superconducting materials in two meteorites can lead to the solution of the missing mass problem.

Your rather sad attempts to avoid the question are clear. I thought this was supposed to be a forum for discussing science, not a forum for "guess what I am thinking of".

by **Cargo** » Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:07 am

You mean the missing mass problem that Dark Matter and Dark Energy were created for? The logic of it all is blowing right by your closed eyes.

by **Higgsy** » Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:02 am

So, gentlemen, nobody seems to be able to explain how the discovery of traces of superconducting materials in two meteorites can lead to the solution of the missing mass problem. I have seen no calculations, no quantification, no logical argument, no physics. This would appear to be one of those all too common occurences amongst EU adherents when the mere mention of some word or other in a popular article sets the dogs barking. I commend pencils and the backs of envelopes to you.

by **Cargo** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:08 pm

So, what is the purpose/reason for the theory of Dark Matter?

by **Higgsy** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:44 am

Cargo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:55 am If you don't know, and I tell you, will you believe me?

In other words, you don't know either how the discovery of trace amounts of a superconducting material in a couple of meteorites solves the "missing mass" problem. You have no calculations, no quantification, no logical argument, no physics, no clue.

edit: I can't just leave it like that so will paste something else you may not know about
Internation Conference on Plasma Science in Monterey, California, radio astronomer Gerrit Verschuur announced that, after high resolution processing of data, from about 2000 clouds of so-called ‘neutral hydrogen’ in our galaxy, he found they were actually made up of plasma filaments which twisted and wound like helices over enormous distances.

And why do you post something that has been known about since the late 1960s and early 1970s as though it is some new revelation and has any relevance to this topic?

by **Cargo** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:55 am

If you don't know, and I tell you, will you believe me?

edit: I can't just leave it like that so will paste something else you may not know about

Internation Conference on Plasma Science in Monterey, California, radio astronomer Gerrit Verschuur announced that, after high resolution processing of data, from about 2000 clouds of so-called ‘neutral hydrogen’ in our galaxy, he found they were actually made up of plasma filaments which twisted and wound like helices over enormous distances.

by **Higgsy** » Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:47 pm

Cargo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:49 pm
Obviously. So, what is the purpose/reason for the theory of Dark Matter?

Have you got an explanation for how the discovery of trace amounts of superconducting materials in a couple of meteorites solves the “missing mass” problem? Because Maol doesn’t apppear to have one.

by **Cargo** » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:49 pm

Higgsy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:30 amI'm not seeing it.

Obviously. So, what is the purpose/reason for the theory of Dark Matter?

by **Higgsy** » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:30 am

Maol wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:38 pm An electric current in superconducting material can persist indefinitely with no power source.

And sooooo? Superconducting materials only superconduct where they are pure and continuous and below the critical temperature. Even if we accept that grains of superconducting materials in the ISM are pure, then how do isolated microscopic grains of material at a density less than 1/m^3 (and that's being generous) contribute to galaxy rotation curves? And then there is the problem that the only part of the ISM that is cold enough to support superconductivity is molecular clouds, which contribute less than 1% of the volume of the galaxy. Show me how traces of superconducting materials in a meteorite translate to solving the "missing mass" problem. Set out the mechanism for me, because I'm not seeing it.

by **Maol** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:38 pm

An electric current in superconducting material can persist indefinitely with no power source.

by **Higgsy** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:21 pm

Maol wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:15 am Isn't the premise "missing mass" is necessary to explain galaxy rotation in the gravity model of the universe, but EU offers the postulate that EM forces can explain galaxy rotation as a homopolar motor and eliminate the need for unseen mass.

Is that the premise? I don't know, you tell me.

Given that superconductivity provides stronger magnetic field activity leads to ponder whether superconducting dust grains might enhance or in some way influence interstellar and intergalactic plasma to provide more powerful homopolar motor effect.

Superconducting electro-magnets give higher magnetic fields than conventional electro-magnets because the continuous solid windings can carry more current without heating up or losses. I don't see how that is relevant to almost infinitesimally tiny traces of superconducting materials in the rock matrix of a couple of meteorites

In any case, assuming assorted size superconducting masses exist in interplanetary and interstellar space wherever the temperature is low enough to enable superconductivity, such masses must have significant effect on electric current flow and associated EM forces in the astrophysical plasma.

Why must they have a "significant effect on electric current flow and associated EM forces in the astrophysical plasma", given that, in the plasma, even if they exist, they must do so as extremely sparse individual grains. Do the sums for me.

by **Maol** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:15 am

Isn't the premise "missing mass" is necessary to explain galaxy rotation in the gravity model of the universe, but EU offers the postulate that EM forces can explain galaxy rotation as a homopolar motor and eliminate the need for unseen mass.

Given that superconductivity provides stronger magnetic field activity leads to ponder whether superconducting dust grains might enhance or in some way influence interstellar and intergalactic plasma to provide more powerful homopolar motor effect.

In any case, assuming assorted size superconducting masses exist in interplanetary and interstellar space wherever the temperature is low enough to enable superconductivity, such masses must have significant effect on electric current flow and associated EM forces in the astrophysical plasma.

by **Higgsy** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:20 pm

Maol wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:06 am https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/03 ... meteorites

This likely means superconducting materials and accompanying EM forces exist throughout the universe in unseen objects of assorted sizes, large and small, down to grains of dust, therefore the universe is saturated with EM forces in such a ubiquitous extent that has not previously been recognized or considered. Is it possible this can account for the embarassing "missing mass" situation?

Huh, how does that work? Finding traces of superconducting materials in a meorite accounts for missing mass how, exactly?

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