Science during the Supposed Pandemic

[KTMKim]

Fine.

I'll conclude my remarks by simply saying that Big Science has been taken over by political and personal agendas.

Science, per se, is DEAD as a result.

It is a slippery slope, and the title is so inviting by its wording alone. I do appreciate the vigilance and moderation to keep things in line. I respect this coming from an EU forum.

It is very hard not to involve any politics in EU especially when you consider the thwarting of publishing papers, scientific consensus (I love that one), and overall distain that accepted astrophysicists have for any alternative theory.

It’s why I liked the recent reupload of David Talbots 2012 video where he states (I’m paraphrasing) if anyone is intellectually alive, then they can see how important the EU theory is to practical life as we know it.

That’s exactly my issue! Not one school teacher, or even friend do I know who understands these things enough to realize it’s import. They continue to parrot black holes, gravity waves and quantum nonsense, even after I’ve explained things. Even an electric sun concept doesn’t register. I’ve lost hope for any actual medical science to register with anyone if they can’t even wrap around an electric sun.

[KTMKim]

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Objective: Health - Mass Formation Psychosis
https://www.sott.net/article/463010-Obj ... -Psychosis
[Quoting:] Mass Formation Psychosis has been allover social media of late, after it was explained by Dr. Robert Malone on his widely censored interview with Joe Rogan. It's made such a splash that the control system has gone into high gear trying to "debunk" the idea (see articles on Reuters and AP, for example); never mind that the "debunking" consists of "we talked to 3 'experts' and they say it doesn't exist".
[COMMENT: I didn't know about this either till now. I did a DuckDuckGo search on the term at https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Mass+Formatio ... =h_&ia=web . Following is maybe the best result, at least on the first page or two.]
How Google manipulated "Mass formation psychosis" search results.
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/how- ... -formation

You’re on top of things as usual. I’m glad I have alternative sources so I didn’t have to listen to the whole 3hours myself. The pertinent parts were pulled out (albeit his analogies were lazily made with broad statements and zero research). He has great points about science. The ONLY science that has ever mattered over the past 2 years (longer even). . . . Behavioral Science.

[BeAChooser]

The ONLY science that has ever mattered over the past 2 years (longer even). . . . Behavioral Science.

That's astute. And in relation to my previous comments, it's worth noting that Fabian Socialists were busy studying behavioral science 140 years ago ... so that the change they wanted to occur in society could be made without arousing suspicions in the general populace. So from the beginning they had psychologists in their numbers studying the behavior of people. One in particular was Graham Wallas, who is credited with the introduction of human psychology into the field of political science (https://www.encyclopedia.com/people/soc ... ham-wallas).  Understanding human psychology, Fabian Socialists, unlike America’s Founding Fathers and Marxist communists, chose to mostly stay in the shadows. And they chose to move slowly.  And they've been very effective at doing that.  How else might one explain how a movement that has clearly been so influential on American politics is hardly even known to the average American (perhaps not even known at all by most)?  Yes, it seems there is ONLY one *science* that has ever mattered for the last 120 years. And the rest have been coopted to aid in that behavioral agenda.

[JP Michael]

Yes, it seems there is ONLY one *science* that has ever mattered for the last 120 years. And the rest have been coopted to aid in that behavioral agenda.

3 classic books on this that are well worth the read:

1. Charles Mackay (1841 + reprints), Extraordinary Delusions & The Madness of Crowds.
2. Edward Bernays (1928), Propaganda
3. Edward Bernays (1955), Engineering Consent

While there are more advanced psychological manipulation techniques than these nowadays (e.g. mass formation psychosis & trauma-based mind control), Mackay and Bernays set the foundations for what is abused like no tomorrow by todays "powers".

[KTMKim]

The ONLY science that has ever mattered over the past 2 years (longer even). . . . Behavioral Science.

Yes, it seems there is ONLY one *science* that has ever mattered for the last 120 years. And the rest have been coopted to aid in that behavioral agenda.

Bravo on the thorough explanation taking the rabbit hole deeper. Of course there are less worthy YouTube videos on these things, mostly distractions with hints of truth so the story remains obscure.
These topics are one of the reasons I love EU. It covers ALL these bases. And if it doesn’t, the forum members will come to the rescue.

Vielen Dank!

[KTMKim]

3 classic books on this that are well worth the read:

1. Charles Mackay (1841 + reprints), Extraordinary Delusions & The Madness of Crowds.
2. Edward Bernays (1928), Propaganda
3. Edward Bernays (1955), Engineering Consent

I recognize that name. Who wouldn’t if you’re intellectually alive today. Thank you for the list!

[Brigit]

Dr. Robert Malone is not a psychiatrist or a psychologist. Those are just his own speculations about the worldwide mania we are living through, and he has interesting observations. But he is actually a molecular biologist, and specifically, he filed some of the original patents using mRNA to create proteins.

[Brigit]

I think he is one of the best sources of information on the science behind the injections.

The two most important issues to me are covered by him in interviews given to Trial Site News (and others).

1. The fda never approved the injections; the approval was for Comirnaty, which is not available in the United States. That was a real sleight of hand. The injections are still under emergency use authorization, and are free from any legal responsibility for harm caused by the experimental drug.

2. The spike protein itself is responsible for the C19 symptoms.

[Lloyd]

Good info, Brigit. Regarding the fact that the vaccine makers cannot be sued for causing deaths or injuries, I think Congress acted illegally in 1986 when it passed the law that relinquished vaccine makers of responsibility for insuring that vaccines are safe. So I think there could be a legal argument to overturn the unjust law that Congress passed. (I'm not sure if relinquished is the best word for what I mean.)

[Lloyd]

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MATURE SCIENCE

I'm glad to see that Nick hasn't pulled the plug on this thread yet. I've discussed the Scientific Method on this forum a few times before, quite a few years ago. I may try to dig up some relevant posts before long. The method I discussed had at least 5 points and for each of them there were opposite points which indicated when the method was not scientific.

I don't remember discussing this at those times, but name-calling and other forms of insulting or threatening I think we can agree are not scientific. Any effort to evoke negative emotional reactions or otherwise promote nonproductive discussion is also unscientific and counterproductive.

So it's best to be constantly mindful of how our words may affect readers before posting them, so as to avoid getting into unproductive discussion. I think this is the intent of the forum rules against general discussion of religion and politics.

Theoretically, Scientific discussion should be able to accept input from everyone, regardless of how unattractively they state their views. Science should be able to sort out the words of their statements and simply remove those that are unproductive. However, readers don't have time to do much such sorting themselves. They soon come to find the discussion to be too unproductive.

I guess it's hazardous for us to discuss groups or kinds of people or at least to criticize or blame them for anything. Several groups were blamed in a recent post for Covid tyranny. I guess it's safe to mention that mainstream science is prone to making severe errors, as it does with Catastrophism, Universe Charge Neutrality etc. So I think we should be able to discuss errors in the Covid phenomena here. I guess just try to avoid judging anyone's motives.

Can there be solutions without finding someone to blame for problems? Should we try?

Everyone probably agrees that the world has changed a lot in the last two years. It's obvious to many of us that the mainstream is greatly censoring speech and thought; also society pressures everyone not to disagree in public, including most places online.

The mainstream has been ridiculing and deplatforming Climate Change Denial for over 20 years and is now doing the same, only more so, against Antivaxxers.

The only search engines I know of that are somewhat open to free speech are DuckDuckGo.com and Ecosia.org. There are social media that claim to encourage free speech and there's a list of them at https://visionlaunch.com/2020-list-of-f ... platforms/

Before I found that list I did a search for social media for antivaxxers and didn't find anything. I just found mostly criticisms of them. Until 2020 antivaxxers were pretty much tolerated. Dr. Mercola at mercola.com used to have a lot of articles on the dangers of vaccines. But now antivaxxers are demonized, as if they were terrorists.

So society has a dilemma. If free speech is suppressed, corruption and error cannot so easily be corrected. If free speech is allowed, other errors can lead to misfortunes. People can die or suffer from false info. And people can die or suffer from corruption and mainstream errors. Most people seem to assume that antivaxxers are in error and that they jeopardize efforts to end the supposed pandemic.

Most of us posting in this thread regard the Covid vaccines as the actual danger. The VAERS data apparently show that there have been over 20,000 deaths due to the vaccines, as we have discussed. Yesterday, I found this impressive article. Crisis in America: Deaths Up 40% Among Those Aged 18-64 Based on Life Insurance Claims for 2021 After COVID-19 Vaccine Roll Outs at https://healthimpactnews.com/2022/crisi ... roll-outs/

I just found something else to post as a companion piece, which I'll try to do shortly.

[Lloyd]

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The article I linked above says an insurance company observed 40% more deaths among its policy holders last year than in previous years and the president of an association of hospitals said he made a similar observation.

So I found this article: United States Death Statistics Per Year
https://deadorkicking.com/death-statistics/us/per-year/

It shows deaths from 1999 to 2010 going from 2.6 million per year down to 2.4 million per year, then increasing again to 2.6 million by 2019. Then the rate shot up to 3.3 million in 2020 [due to Covid?] and fell to about 3.05 million in 2021 [due to herd immunity?]. I can't tell if that's for the beginning, middle, or end of each year. If it's for the beginning of each year, then it may not conflict with the previous article. Otherwise, it does conflict. 3.3 million is 27% more deaths in 2020 than in 2019. 3.05 million for 2021 is 17% more deaths than in 2019. The deaths in 2021 would have to be over 4 million to be 40% more than previously.

So someone's data may be inaccurate. The VAERS data seems to be the most important. By the way, the VAERS numbers at some 20,000 are low enough that people wouldn't notice the deaths. Spread over 3,000 counties it would be just 7 more deaths per county. But VAERS is greatly undercounted, so if it's 5 times more than reported, it's 35 more deaths per county. The total number of deaths per county is about 1,000 averaged, so an extra 35 would be hard to notice.

See Brigit's posts above too.

[Brigit]

I am so glad you raised the issue of illegality. The legal problems surrounding the responses to C 19 are Legion. The emergency powers assumed by various governments are the main problem. Many states have definite limitations on the declaration of emergencies. Each state constitution is a little different, but in several of the worst lockdown states the governor is using illegitimate emergency powers, and the decisions to extend those rest only with the legislature. Court cases have not gone so well.

The emergency powers are based on the so-called science of basically one epidemiologist/bureaucrat and all of his captured government agencies, and on outrageous and ridiculous computer models. Sounds very familiar!

But as far as the 1986 bill goes, that could be another problem -- I have not read anything about it. Emergency Use Authorization is what allows these companies to release this experimental gene therapy as a vaccine, without full studies and approval. What Dr. Malone says is that it was not ever tested or approved as a gene therapy drug, and only released as a vaccine.

[Brigit]

Oh excuse me Lloyd, we posted at the same time. Hope every one sees those, just above.

Yes, now there is a problem because the science behind these injections is astonishing. The use of mRNA to enter your cells and begin producing spike proteins is totally investigational.

And to imagine that the only means of collecting adverse reactions to a totally experimental drug, released across the entire population, is through VAERS!

Dr. Malone says that it is a totally "kludgey" system of reporting, that does not allow any direct correlations because it does not include patient history. It is plausible deniability built into the very reporting system on an newly introduced drug.

[Brigit]

And furthermore, I do not think that the majority of people who got these injections could have possibly given their informed consent.

To give informed consent, you would need to understand how the drug works in your body. I don't think people can do that with this gene therapy. You also need to understand the side effects. And those have not been fully studied, esp. in pregnant women and other vulnerable people! And you would need to understand other treatments available. And other treatments/early treatments have been vilified and attacked, because if there had been any other treatments, the Emergency Use Authorization could not legally have been granted to this experimental injection.

[Brigit]

Again, Lloyd and I posted at the same time so there is more above. Thanks Lloyd.