Brigit wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:57 pm
In my turn, I wouldn't recommend that. There's too much of regular misrepresentation of the cited papers, and a lot of conclusions from them are artificially stuffed into the guy's own apocalyptic propaganda.
It wouldn't hurt to see, sure (to get some useful links at least), but I'd recommend to retain some healthy skepticism.
Wow - another 'attack the messenger' approach. How unsurprising.
That's a really interesting disagreement in itself. It takes a long time to detect it and identify it, but within the Electric Universe there is a broad spectrum of degrees of Catastrophism.
Catastrophism is usually used as a historical term for an approach to geology. I think that there are some fine people right on this forum who actually do not see any need to question the Lyellian model of interpreting Earth's layered, buckled, and overturned strata. But in general, the majority of people who follow the science of the EU are catastrophists in their interpretation of the both the surface of the Earth and the planets and moons. But there is a second and equally important type of Catastrophism, and that is the catastrophism that includes future events.
What does the science of the Electric Universe say about possible future electrical interactions within our Solar System? I suspect paladin's term for these questions about
future Catastrophism is
"apocalyptic propaganda" -- but I am not really deeply familiar with the channel you are both discussing except to say that it has matured into a very nice production over the last 7 or 8 years. I personally believe that one of the clearest implications of the science of the Electric Universe is that there are many many sudden, global events that could befall the Earth at any moment. (There is a list around here somewhere!) The sun also is responding to its electrical environment almost instantaneously at all times. To sum, we all fall within different bands in the Catastrophist spectrum, not only respecting the past, but also regarding potential future cataclysms.
(With apologies for the lengthy delay in this reply - it's been a strange sort of year)
The phrasing I was referring to with my 'attack the messenger' comment was indeed the 'apocalyptic propaganda' snipe, as there is rather refreshingly no propaganda at all on any of Ben's channels or websites. His message is far from being one of doom & gloom as well - in his own words 'we are all descended from survivors of the last event' and the overarching message is one of hope & survival, not that which Paladin implies. Still, Paladin is obviously entitled to his opinion but it would have been much better to read something proving Ben wrong rather than just an attack on Ben himself, accusing him outright of deliberate misrepresentation of the facts (with absolutely nothing to back it up) which is simply outrageous.
Yes, Catastrophism has had a hard time of it, but one must wonder how much of the previous 'debunking' was pre-planned. Bear in mind that Charles Hapgood worked for the CIA long before he was writing books about Crustal Displacement Theory as a professor and in his role at the CIA he would have been well aware of the work of the 46th/72nd Reconnaissance Squadron in the Arctic (there is a point - trust me!) and he would have been well aware that his mechanism for the displacement of the crust was not feasible and easily debunked, thus throwing Catastrophism into the dustbin of history as the weight of the Northern Ice Cap on Greenland would never carry enough weight to decouple the crust from the Mantle - but a severe Solar event could easily induce sufficient current to do this, especially as our magnetic field has accelerated yet again in it's weakening to a new rate of 1% annually - an increase of 100% from 2017 when it was previously at 0.5% annually (or put another way, 5%/decade - see
https://www.livescience.com/46694-magne ... akens.html).
So as our planetary defences weaken ever more rapidly this in turn says that it will take weaker & weaker solar events to cause serious problems - so much so that at the last given figure of 20% down it takes a relatively weak flare to get an evens chance our field might collapse altogether!
space-weather-risk-chart-with-kp.jpg
(Image from
https://spaceweathernews.com/)
Given that a sufficient jolt is capable of staggering the entire planet in it's orbit, and also given that our magnetic field is rapidly weakening and finally add to this the uncomfortable fact that every planet in the Solar System is changing right now - Venus is stormier (and, interestingly enough, seems it might have life in it's atmosphere), Mars likewise, Jupiter has developed a new Spot & it's magnetic field was observed to be changing too over a year ago, Saturn is changing, Uranus & Neptune too - Barnard's Star is flaring (something it was previously considered to be too old to do as an 'old Red Dwarf' -
http://www.sci-news.com/astronomy/activ ... 09011.html), Proxima Centauri is flaring more than it used to (
https://phys.org/news/2019-09-frequent- ... i-bad.html) and I agree with Ben that the likely cause of this is the impact of the Galactic Current Sheet polarity change and if this is bringing with it a whole load of dust - electromagnetically attracted to the magnetic field (which in it's turn was created by another current and so on) which
must have an effect on our own Star.
Underwater Scarring? (finally I get back on topic)
Why not - just because it is underwater now does not mean it always has been - mountains become sea beds & vice-versa. We even have what I suspect are historical records of this occurring (yes, I know they will be corrupted) derided as myth, or stories told by primitives with no understanding at all as they were far stupider than we are (oh, the arrogance of the Human Species - it will be our downfall) of the seas overtopping the mountains as the Sun stood still in the sky (we read this across the Middle East to China) or that the whole world shook in a never-ending darkness when the Sun did not appear (the West & Central/Southern Americas).
I would in all seriousness expect to see signs of scarring underwater - a serious event that penetrates to the lowest levels of the Global Electric Circuit - the Torus around the equator - may well be strong enough to produce a magnetar type reaction here on Earth with a monstrous discharge surge that would make mega-lightning seem like a Van der Graaf generator does to a serious Tesla Coil and if you can try to imagine a discharge powerful enough to carve out the Grand Canyon (which I believe to be Electrically created) then there could easily be remnants undersea.
A great thing for someone to do with Google Earth, maybe?