The next disaster/reset

[archivus]

The next global reset (whenever that may be) will set us very far back due to the following factors:

• our complete reliance on technology for every aspect of our lives (lack of survival knowledge)

• our lack of attention in preserving physical hard copies of world knowledge (stone, metal engravings/carvings etc)

• the dispersion of global historical artifacts which will now truly be lost to time & lacking context

• man made disasters will further contribute to the demise with radiation, bio-hazards, resource wars and who knows what else

If the previous disaster event happened in approx 12500BC, we can use 12500BC as a benchmark and say that it took approximately 15,000 years for the electric age to come into fruition.

What do you think?
Do we stand a chance?
Will the next reset rebuild take more or less time or even happen at all?

[moses]

A complete economic collapse is likely soon. Central banks have been printing money staving off a recession but this will only make the eventual recession a deep depression. The staving off will continue until either it does not work anymore or else there is a major bank default.

Be prepared!
Cheers,
Mo

[dren]

A complete economic collapse is likely soon. Central banks have been printing money staving off a recession but this will only make the eventual recession a deep depression. The staving off will continue until either it does not work anymore or else there is a major bank default.

Be prepared!
Cheers,
Mo

Several have been buying and repatriating physical gold.

[JP Michael]

Am I allowed to talk eschatology in the context of future catastrophism?

There's plenty to be said of this subject but I feel my opinions will wade very deep into the 'religious' spectrum. I would like to respect the Forum and keep most of those opinions to the creationism thread where pertinent discussions of past catastrophism are more than fruitful. Apocalypticism is marked by no end of divergent opinions, undoubtedly!

If I can make one recommendation, though, it is St. John's Apocalypse, chapter 12 and following. I've never seen more descriptions of EU-plasma phenomenon in a single ancient writing than that chapter. Given its supposed to be future prophecy, that's what I'm looking to happen in our sky in the near future. The reappearance of the Comet, the birth of a new planet before the eyes of a watching world, and the return of the Dragon and the Angels, followed by a period of intense global catastrophe worse than anything seen or recorded heretofore, all themes most of us here are quite familiar with already. The good news? There will indeed be survivors.

[nick c]

Hi JP,
We do not want to get into personal religious beliefs, politics, and such. That being said, sometimes legitimate EU discussions are going to go in a direction which on a superficial level seems to encroach upon these areas.

Discussion of ancient catastrophism is going to draw on Old Testament texts, But this should be used in the context of comparative mythology, and textual evidence should be weighed against the history and myth of other cultures. Velikovsky pioneered using this method for catastrophic analysis, in all of his writings. For example in Worlds In Collision (1950) and in more detail in Ages In Chaos (1952) he compares and draws parallels to the OT book of the Exodus and the Egyptian Papyrus of Ipuwer.

Along this line of thinking, I would also refer the reader to the chapter in Worlds In Collision, p306, "The Subjective Interpretation of Events and Their Authenticity."

What helped to discredit the traditions of the people about the catastrophes was their subjective and magical interpretation of the events. The sea was torn apart. The people attributed this act to the intervention of their leader; he lifted his staff over the waters and they divided. Of course, there is no person who can do this, and no staff with which it can be done. Likewise in the case of Joshua who commanded the Sun and the Moon to halt in their movements. Because the scientific mind cannot believe that a man can make the sun and the moon to stand still, it disbelieves also the alleged event.
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The peoples of the past were prepared to see miracles in unusual occurrences; for this reason modern man, who does not believe in miracles, rejects the event together with the interpretation. But as we find the same event in the traditions of many peoples and as each people has differently comprehended it, its historicity can be checked, in addition to the control offered by natural science.
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Precisely because there are great differences in the subjective evaluations of the causes or purposes of the phenomenon, we can assume that the folklore of different peoples deals with one and the same factual event, and only the magical explanations of the miracle are subjective inventions.

It is sometimes argued that stories can travel from one culture to another through the process of diffusion. Of course diffusion is a legitimate phenomenon, but as an explanation it is very incomplete. Why? If a story is one that has been borrowed from another culture than that should be readily apparent by a commonality between the subjective elements in each culture's story. As an example, the OT has Moses commanding the seas to part with the raising of his staff but this element is nowhere to be found in the Papyrus of Ipuwer, in fact the tenor and mood of Ipuwer is totally different than that of the book of Exodus. The papyrus is a lament of various misfortunes to befall Egypt, in contrast the book of Exodus is celebration of the Hebrew people's escape from slavery in Egypt. The two tales are subjectively polar opposites, yet they bear much in common in terms of the physical events to which both stories attest. This contrast lends support to the supposition that there was a real event that affected the two peoples.

What does all this have to do with the original post? This post lays the ground work for understanding why we worry about such things and when and if there could be a repeat or similar event.

(to be continued....)

[nick c]

It really depends on what kind of "disaster" happens.
Possible trouble:

A repeat of the Carrington Event of 1859, when the Earth was hit by an enormous solar flare or CME. Back then the damage was limited mostly to disruption of the telegraph system, but today the damage could be crippling:
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2013/0 ... pace-news/
A super Carrington Event could be an extinction threat. Remember in the Electric Universe all stars are variable stars, depending upon the electric state of their galactic environment. A change in that condition could cause changes in the appearance and output of the Sun causing distress for inhabitants of Earth; up to and including extinction of all life on Earth.
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Of course there is always the potential for something similar to the Tunguska event of 1908. Fortunately it happened in one of the most remote areas of the Earth. Depending on what area (city, the ocean/tidal waves etc) of the Earth was on the business end of this type of event it could result in the death of millions.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/ ... nguska.htm
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/ ... guska2.htm
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Related to the above, is the Great Chicago Fire of 1871. Forget about Mrs. O'Leary's cow, the case for an extraterrestrial (comet) cause is very convincing.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/ ... gofire.htm
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/ ... 7biela.htm
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The theory of Panspermia is usually put forth in the context of the origin of life on Earth; that is planets are seeded by comets, meteors, dust, etc. containing microorganisms, but then there is the possibility of disruption of the Earth's biosphere by extraterrestrial microorganisms pathogenic to humans or other of Earth's life arriving from space, causing a pandemic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia
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The Saturn Theory (Talbott, Cardona, Cochrane, et al) is that the planet we know as Saturn is the remnant of a brown dwarf star which was captured by the Sun and wreaked havoc on the order of the solar system. if an event like this were to happen again it would truly be a disaster (dis-aster = bad star).
In Worlds In Collision (1950) p373, Velikovsky wrote concerning the prospects for future catastrophic events:

A large comet arriving from interstellar spaces may run into one of the planets and push it from its orbit; then chaos may start anew. Also, some dark star, like Jupiter or Saturn, may be in the path of the sun, and may be attracted to the Sun and cause havoc in it

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"We have met the enemy and he is us." Walt Kelly

The order of the solar system is presently stable. Without some sort of disruption it is assumed that the stability will continue. We should enjoy the potential for peace and prosperity in our solar system. But the present danger comes from the self destructive actions of the human race. Why is that? It has been observed by psychologists that patients exposed to some physical or psychological trauma often repress the memories (amnesia) of the original trauma. They then behave, sometimes in an irrational manner, seeking to repeat and recreate the original cause of their trauma. They are struggling to remember.
Given the catastrophes and near extinction that our ancestors faced is it any surprise that humankind has devised all sorts of weapons that could repeat the original catastrophic events? Nuclear bombs on ICBM's threaten, like the sword of Damocles, to bring destruction from the sky.
see:
CULTURAL AMNESIA: The Submergence of Terrifying Events in the Racial Memory
and their Later Emergence

[JP Michael]

If I am allowed to speculate:

When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?” Revelation 6:12-17

If the sun is electrical and being fuelled by an external power source, it would only take a temporary cessation in that supply to throw the entire solar system into chaos. I believe this Scripture is a description of this event, yet future (because no such thing occured from the 1st century until now). The red moon is not because of obscured light, as per smoke particulate most Australians are familiar with due to bushfires, but rather because of the grossly deficient current the sun's anode glow will begin to discharge more highly in the red-infrared spectrum.

I do not believe this cut-off is permanent, but rather temporary, as the Sun has a later role to scorch the world with fire (a flare event from our sun entering the plasmasphere of another star, or perhaps from reduction in Earth's protective atmosphere due to the catastrophic events portrayed previous to this):

The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and it was allowed to scorch people with fire. They were scorched by the fierce heat, and they cursed the name of God who had power over these plagues. They did not repent and give him glory. Revelation 16:8-9

Then there is obvious reference to several planetary or cometary interlopers in our solar system:

The second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain, burning with fire, was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. A third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed. 
The third angel blew his trumpet, and a great star fell from heaven, blazing like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many people died from the water, because it had been made bitter. Revelation 8:8-11

This includes a description of a new planetary birth and the return of 'Typhon':

And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days. Revelation 12:1-6 ff.

Obviously I am well aware of the usual symbolic interpretations of St. John's Apocalypse, but I perceive scatted throughout its pages reference to catastrophic plasma phenomenon written in the Greek language from the mindset of a 1st century Messianic Jew.

I can only wonder if indeed we are really being told something important before the time. Even Jesus himself is reported to have said:

And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Luke 21:25-26