Re: Creationism, Myth and Catastrophism
Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 4:27 am
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Here's a quick link to my previous post regarding:
PANGAEA BROKE UP AFTER, NOT DURING(?), THE GREAT FLOOD
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/ph ... =525#p5167
HERE IS A SUMMARY OF THE NEWGEOLOGY EARTH HISTORY TIMELINE https://www.newgeology.us/presentation30.html
1. PREFLOOD
- Dinosaurs @ Pangaea; Man & Mammals @ E.Antarctica;
- Sediments formed @ Pangaea's perimeter;
- Pangaea was a lowland supercontinent
2. FLOOD
- Meteorites hit Earth & Moon, removed atmosphere, caused rain, made craters & flood basalts
- Flood washed sediments with degassed lime ashore & buried marine creatures in Paleozoic strata, then dinosaurs in Mesozoic strata
3a. POSTFLOOD FAUNA
- Mammals & humans spread from E.Antarctica to Pangaea & became populous
3b. POSTFLOOD IMPACT
- Chicxulub crater formed from an impact after the Flood which spread iridium-laden impact dust worldwide
4. PANGAEA BREAKUP
- Asteroid impact north of Madagascar split up Pangaea;
- Continents spread apart via rapid continental drift;
- Impulse & brake mountain ranges formed;
- Global volcanism ensued;
- Floods buried mammals in Cenozoic strata;
- Nile River rerouted;
- Canada & Siberia moved northward, causing wind storms that killed many large mammals in dust ((& rock ice, but not by flood?))
5. POST-BREAKUP
- Civilization began in Egypt ((& Sumeria))
- Hot Atlantic & Indian Ocean seafloors, volcanism & India flood basalts ((& meteoric dust)) caused glaciation (Ice Age) at higher latitudes & altitudes
CAUSE OF THE GREAT FLOOD
I assume Mike thinks the flood was caused by ocean impacts, but I don't think those would have been enough. Baumgardner's model has an elliptically orbiting body (like the Moon?) causing tidal waves about monthly at perigee. The reason his model seems partly correct is that on the continents there are 5 or 6 megasequences of conforming rock strata with unconformities between each megasequence, so it looks like there was something causing flooding regularly for several months. I mean at about monthly intervals something caused tidal waves carrying & depositing sediments for some days, then they stopped for a while, then restarted again and the cycle repeated 5 or 6 times during the entire Flood. That sounds like something an elliptically orbiting body would cause.
Mike said planetary orbits (like the Moon's) cannot be changed so easily. But gravity is not the only force involved in planetary motions. Electrical forces are also involved. Charles Chandler determined that the Titius-Bode Law is likely due to electrical forces between the planets, which repel each other enough to separate their orbits the way they do. See http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=15369
YOUNGER DRYAS EVENT ON HIS TIMELINE
His timeline doesn't seem to include the YD event. Paraphrasing Mike's last email, the Grand Canyon eroded/formed when the ice sheet melt flooded the Colorado plateau (His prior email seemed to say that it formed during the Pangaea Breakup). His timeline has the ice sheet forming soon after the Pangaea Breakup (which he calls Shock Dynamics), so I gather that he would say the Younger Dryas event which melted the ice sheet would have occurred a few centuries after the Pangaea Breakup. And the Grand Canyon formed from Younger Dryas floods. His model also includes, after formation of the Earth, formation of the supercontinent, Pangaea, (at the same time as formation of the Moon. See https://www.newgeology.us/presentation44.html ). So his cataclysms timeline would perhaps be:
C1) X millennia BC: Formation of Earth;
C2) Y millennia BC: Formation of Pangaea & the Moon (via impact);
C3) 3-4,000 BC: Great Flood (with impacts);
C4) 2,700-4,000 BC: Chicxulub impact;
C5) 2,600-3,500 BC: Pangaea Breakup (with impacts);
C6) 2,300-3,000 BC: Younger Dryas Event (with impacts)
Here's a quick link to my previous post regarding:
PANGAEA BROKE UP AFTER, NOT DURING(?), THE GREAT FLOOD
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/ph ... =525#p5167
HERE IS A SUMMARY OF THE NEWGEOLOGY EARTH HISTORY TIMELINE https://www.newgeology.us/presentation30.html
1. PREFLOOD
- Dinosaurs @ Pangaea; Man & Mammals @ E.Antarctica;
- Sediments formed @ Pangaea's perimeter;
- Pangaea was a lowland supercontinent
2. FLOOD
- Meteorites hit Earth & Moon, removed atmosphere, caused rain, made craters & flood basalts
- Flood washed sediments with degassed lime ashore & buried marine creatures in Paleozoic strata, then dinosaurs in Mesozoic strata
3a. POSTFLOOD FAUNA
- Mammals & humans spread from E.Antarctica to Pangaea & became populous
3b. POSTFLOOD IMPACT
- Chicxulub crater formed from an impact after the Flood which spread iridium-laden impact dust worldwide
4. PANGAEA BREAKUP
- Asteroid impact north of Madagascar split up Pangaea;
- Continents spread apart via rapid continental drift;
- Impulse & brake mountain ranges formed;
- Global volcanism ensued;
- Floods buried mammals in Cenozoic strata;
- Nile River rerouted;
- Canada & Siberia moved northward, causing wind storms that killed many large mammals in dust ((& rock ice, but not by flood?))
5. POST-BREAKUP
- Civilization began in Egypt ((& Sumeria))
- Hot Atlantic & Indian Ocean seafloors, volcanism & India flood basalts ((& meteoric dust)) caused glaciation (Ice Age) at higher latitudes & altitudes
CAUSE OF THE GREAT FLOOD
I assume Mike thinks the flood was caused by ocean impacts, but I don't think those would have been enough. Baumgardner's model has an elliptically orbiting body (like the Moon?) causing tidal waves about monthly at perigee. The reason his model seems partly correct is that on the continents there are 5 or 6 megasequences of conforming rock strata with unconformities between each megasequence, so it looks like there was something causing flooding regularly for several months. I mean at about monthly intervals something caused tidal waves carrying & depositing sediments for some days, then they stopped for a while, then restarted again and the cycle repeated 5 or 6 times during the entire Flood. That sounds like something an elliptically orbiting body would cause.
Mike said planetary orbits (like the Moon's) cannot be changed so easily. But gravity is not the only force involved in planetary motions. Electrical forces are also involved. Charles Chandler determined that the Titius-Bode Law is likely due to electrical forces between the planets, which repel each other enough to separate their orbits the way they do. See http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=15369
YOUNGER DRYAS EVENT ON HIS TIMELINE
His timeline doesn't seem to include the YD event. Paraphrasing Mike's last email, the Grand Canyon eroded/formed when the ice sheet melt flooded the Colorado plateau (His prior email seemed to say that it formed during the Pangaea Breakup). His timeline has the ice sheet forming soon after the Pangaea Breakup (which he calls Shock Dynamics), so I gather that he would say the Younger Dryas event which melted the ice sheet would have occurred a few centuries after the Pangaea Breakup. And the Grand Canyon formed from Younger Dryas floods. His model also includes, after formation of the Earth, formation of the supercontinent, Pangaea, (at the same time as formation of the Moon. See https://www.newgeology.us/presentation44.html ). So his cataclysms timeline would perhaps be:
C1) X millennia BC: Formation of Earth;
C2) Y millennia BC: Formation of Pangaea & the Moon (via impact);
C3) 3-4,000 BC: Great Flood (with impacts);
C4) 2,700-4,000 BC: Chicxulub impact;
C5) 2,600-3,500 BC: Pangaea Breakup (with impacts);
C6) 2,300-3,000 BC: Younger Dryas Event (with impacts)