The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

Has science taken a wrong turn? If so, what corrections are needed? Chronicles of scientific misbehavior. The role of heretic-pioneers and forbidden questions in the sciences. Is peer review working? The perverse "consensus of leading scientists." Good public relations versus good science.
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Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

Unread post by BeAChooser » Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:09 am

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00623-6
Two giant US telescopes threatened by funding cap
GOOD.
US astronomers might have only one huge ground-based telescope in their future, rather than the two that many had hoped for.
Oh, the tragedy.
They have been planning for years to build the Giant Magellan Telescope on a mountaintop in Chile, and the Thirty Meter Telescope on the Hawaiian mountain Maunakea. … snip … Both projects are backed by international groups of funders, but neither has the estimated US$3 billion needed to fully fund its telescope.
Wow! I'd heard they were $2 billion dollar telescopes. This is the first time I've seen them called $3 billion dollar telescopes!
Many astronomers had hoped that the US National Science Foundation (NSF) would contribute money to cover the funding shortfall. But last week the National Science Board, which oversees the NSF, recommended that the agency cap its giant-telescope contributions at $1.6 billion. The board also signalled that it was reluctant for the NSF to spend even that much, citing the need to build other facilities “across a wide range of science and engineering fields”.
Yes, indeed, there is lots of bogus science competing for money these days.
Falling behind

Looming over both telescope projects is the fact that the European Southern Observatory is ahead of them, quickly building the 39-metre-wide Extremely Large Telescope in Chile.
Oh no! You mean someone else may get the glory of finding something totally useless to humanity at large first? By the way, the 39-meter Extremely Large Telescope is costing Europe about $1.6 billion.
To some US researchers, the idea of losing access to one of the two planned telescopes could represent a major blow to US leadership in astronomy. “Great vision should drive great budgets, not vice versa,” says John O’Meara, chief scientist at the W. M. Keck Observatory in Kamuela, Hawaii.
I’m thinking of another saying … “all smoke and no mirrors”. ;)

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‘Follow the Science’ Leads to Ruin

Unread post by BeAChooser » Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:20 am

https://www.wsj.com/articles/follow-the ... _lead_pos5
‘Follow the Science’ Leads to Ruin
How true and it doesn’t matter whether we are talking about climatology, virology, the social sciences, particle physics, fusion, or cosmology. The value of the work produced in every one of those research areas (and probably others) is being contaminated by the “follow the science” claims used against opponents of mainstream views which are highly flawed. And that's happening because the policies that mainstream politicians want to see enacted (for reasons that have nothing to do with science) are using the "follow the science" doctrine to control all adversaries to those policies. This is causing a massive waste of resources (beyond imagining ... measured in TRILLIONS of dollars) and lost opportunities (measured in things that humanity could have achieved by now) ... in every policy area across the board. Civilization is already paying a huge price for this (it's coming apart as we watch), and I hate to be the one bearing bad news, folks, but this may soon end civilization entirely. We all need to wake up to this, before it's too late. Get your heads out of the ground and start fighting against this, rather than going along with what's happening.

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Climate The Movie

Unread post by BeAChooser » Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:10 pm

Hi.

In this thread I've demonstrated how the climate change (global warming) boogieman has and is still being used to justify all sorts of expensive boondoggles. It's already cost the world hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars because of the effort to eliminate use of fossil fuels, push much more expensive and less reliable wind and solar technologies, and implement many other parts of the green agenda.

One of the worst boondoggles now underway is the ultra-expensive urgency regarding development of fusion, as I've outlined above. Governments have spent many tens of billions of dollars on it already, and are planning to spend TRILLIONS of YOUR dollars in the next few decades ... because they say increasing CO2 threatens to doom humanity in the next century. In fact, they say it may already be too late!

Not only that, governments have plans to take away most your freedoms (including free speech) and impose draconian controls over every aspect of your lives ... all because of the *dire* threat THEY CLAIM from CO2. If you don't believe me, then go read about the Cities 40 agenda ... https://www.c40.org ... and what they are going to ALLOW YOU to do when it comes to ownership of autos, purchases of clothing, what you eat, and use of air travel.

ALL of the above is predicated on the claim that a small rise in man made CO2 will soon doom us.

Now, as you know, I'm a critic of that claim. In fact, I've questioned the validity of AGWalarmism longer than some of you have probably been alive. So if any of you on this forum still believe that claim is true ... believe that AGWalarmism is justified ... then I challenge you to watch the just released movie ... "Climate The Movie". Here's a free link ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOAUsvVhgsU .

Then we can talk.

Because this is symptomatic of the Death Of Government Funded Science.

And it pretty much doesn't matter what topic we're talking about.

Climate Change.

Virology.

Fusion.

Astrophysics.

They have ALL been coopted because of other agendas that have nothing at all to do with science, nature, or reality.

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Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

Unread post by allynh » Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:14 pm

I watched the documentary the other day and it is solid. I need to watch it again. As I mentioned to somebody else on another blog:

- All that you can do is post the links when you can.

I've been posting about this great documentary that came out in 2007 that puts the lie to Global Warming, and explains the history.

The Great Global Warming Swindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY-gRFSaP7o

Only a few people actually watch the documentary when I mention it. HA!

That gives me two great documentaries to post when needed.

Thanks...

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Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

Unread post by BeAChooser » Fri Apr 05, 2024 3:36 am

In 2020 the Korea Superconducting Tokamak Advanced Research (KSTAR) reactor was able to maintain a 100 million degree Celsius plasma for 20 seconds! Two years later, in September 2022, they maintained 100 million degree Celsius plasma for 30 seconds! The media just announced (https://www.popularmechanics.com/scienc ... or-plasma/) that they “shattered” (!) that record, maintaining the plasma at 100 million degrees Celsius for 48 seconds! From all at the hoopla in the media, you’d think they achieved something spectacular ... that cheap, fusion power is now just around the corner. But their goal is to contain the 100 million degree plasma for 300 seconds by 2026. If it took them a year and a half to raise the containment time from 20 to 30 seconds. and another year and a half to increase it from 30 to 48 seconds, I’d say they’ve got their work cut out for them if they’re going to meet their 2026 goal. ;)

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Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

Unread post by BeAChooser » Fri Apr 05, 2024 3:50 am

Here’s a recent paper by Eric Lerner with some interesting observations about achieving viable commercial fusion …

https://pubs.aip.org/aip/pop/article/30 ... ion-energy
What are the fastest routes to fusion energy?

In recent years, the effort to develop practical fusion energy has rapidly evolved from a focus on only tokamak and laser inertial devices to include a wide array of approaches. We survey this increasingly diverse set of routes to fusion to assess what approaches are likely to lead to practical fusion with the least outlay of resources and thus are potentially the fastest routes. While a conclusive answer can only be determined once some approach actually succeeds in producing a practical fusion-energy generator, and the speed of advance depends on the allocation of resources, it is possible to arrive at tentative conclusions now. We find that basic, long-standing obstacles make the path to practical fusion more difficult, and more resource-intensive, for all approaches using deuterium fuels (DT, DHe3) as well as for approaches with low-density plasma.
In other words, he's questioning whether efforts like JET, ITER, KSTAR, Commonwealth Fusion Systems (CFS), and other tokamak type reactors can ever succeed in providing a viable, cost efficient, commercial fusion reactor. Regarding these efforts, he says this ...
Fusion research long emphasized deuterium–tritium (DT) fuel, as this fuel achieved significant fusion reaction rates at lower ion temperatures (Ti) than any other fuel. However, the DT reaction releases most of its energy in the form of a 14 MeV neutron. Since the early days of fusion energy work, researchers have been aware that this situation generates barriers to rapid deployment of any DT-based fusion generators and, conversely, puts a floor on the capital cost of such generators.

This is because there is no known way to convert neutron kinetic energy into electricity except by a conventional thermal generation system, as has been used in electric systems for well over a century. In existing fossil fuel generation plants, the energy conversion system, such as a steam turbine and generator, constitutes 80% or more of the capital cost. The conversion technology is by now extremely mature, and capital costs for these systems alone are in the area of $1–1.5/W of installed capacity.

These two considerations mean that it is practically impossible for any DT system to have capital costs less than existing fossil fuel plants. This, of course, does not mean that the delivered cost of electricity, which includes the fuel price, could not be less for DT fusion plants. However, it sets a floor on the minimum capital cost of a transition from fossil fuels to DT fusion generation.

Since about 50% of all energy use is for heating and would not necessarily require conversion to electricity, a complete conversion to DT fusion would require, at 2023 levels of energy consumption of 20 TW, a minimum of $10 trillion for energy conversion equipment alone. In itself, this is not a prohibitive amount over a 15-year transition period, as compared with fossil fuel costs in the area of $75 trillion over the same period at present prices.
In other words, he predicting there will be NO cheap electricity by this route ... as has been promised over and over during development of tokamak fusion reactors. In fact, Atomic Energy Commission Chairman Lewis Straus, back in 1954, said that fusion would provide power “too cheap to meter”. And they are still promising “limitless” energy from it … effectively the same thing. Which means they are still LYING. Here are some examples …

https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/0 ... rbon-free/
Last September, researchers at Commonwealth Fusion Systems slowly charged a 10-ton D-shaped magnet, pushing up the field strength until it surpassed 20 tesla—a record for a magnet of its kind. The company’s founders say the feat addressed the major engineering challenge required to develop a compact, inexpensive fusion reactor.

Fusion power has been a dream of physicists for decades. At temperatures well above 100 million degrees, as in the sun, atomic nuclei mash together, releasing a massive amount of energy in the process. If researchers can bring about these reactions in a controlled and sustained way here on Earth, it could provide a crucial source of cheap, always-on, carbon-free electricity, using nearly limitless fuel sources. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/18/busi ... nergy.html
David Harding, the founder of two investment management firms who has holdings worth an estimated £27 million, is one of Tokamak Energy’s key backers. He said that he had long been attracted to the idea of “cheap unlimited energy through scientific wizardry” but that now the “whole impetus of global warming makes it seem even more of a no-brainer.”
If Lerner is right, these folks are lying to us and potential investors.

Now regarding the alternatives, Lerner notes that
the approaches that combine hydrogen–boron (pB11) fuel with high-density plasma have an easier, less resource-intensive path. At present, only a few private companies have joined the government projects in actually publishing fusion yield results. However, so far these results reflect the basic advantages of high-plasma-density approaches.
He goes on to note that a
pB11-fueled generator would produce energy almost entirely in the form of either charged particle kinetic energy or x-rays. In both cases, several direct conversion schemes have been proposed or developed for other applications. These include photoelectric conversion for x-rays and both electrostatic and electromagnetic deceleration for charged particle beams. In the case of many of these technologies, no secure cost estimates can be obtained. However, an idea of the cost advantage over thermal conversion can be obtained by looking at one-of-a-kind or low-unit costs of direct energy conversion technologies such as gyrotrons, which convert electron beam energy into microwaves. One-of-a-kind or small numbers, <20, of 1 MW gyrotrons typically have prices of around $1/W. With reasonable scaling for mass production in thousands or millions of units that would be needed for a full transition to fusion, cost reductions to the area of $0.1/W are to be expected, reducing the minimum energy conversion costs for such a transition to the region of $1 trillion.

Other inherent aspects of DT devices also will increase cost and slow rollout. Neutron damage to structures, not present with pB11, will shorten generator lifetime and produce radioactive materials that will need to be disposed of. The essential tritium-breeding blanket is an additional cost not needed in pB11 devices. Thus, exclusive of the actual design of the fusion generators, a transition to DT fusion energy will require considerably more resources than one to pB11 fusion, or equivalently will take longer for a given level of investment.
Obviously, there may be some clear economic advantages of pB11, but as he point out ...
little or no government funding has been provided for approaches using this fuel.
Why do you think that is? I think it’s about CONTROL.

With just a few big reactors, the governments can easily control us.

But in a power grid with millions of units, that control will be much more difficult.

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Re: The ridiculousness waste of resources continues …

Unread post by BeAChooser » Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:01 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/us ... r-AA1nfA1x
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. senators from both parties introduce legislation on Thursday to accelerate development of power plants run by nuclear fusion reactions, an emerging technology that one day could help fight climate change.
Let’s rephrase that sentence so it’s more truthful …

Ignorant power hungry authoritarians on both sides of the UNIPARTY race to spend vast amounts of your money on a boondoggle purportedly to solve a non-existent problem but in reality to increase their control over YOU.

Just saying ...

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