Repulsive Gravity

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hyrumpoint0
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Repulsive Gravity

Unread post by hyrumpoint0 » Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:39 pm

Where can I learn more about the EU theory of gravity? There's a few places that give a brief synopsis, https://thesecularheretic.com/the-elect ... se-heresy/, but I'm wondering about the implications, like how we can determine the distance to the planets without the standard gravity equation, or how strong is gravity above the atmosphere.

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Re: Repulsive Gravity

Unread post by Cargo » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:17 am

Hello,
I would bet there's a lot that can be said wildly about the question as it's framed. But I'll give you something a little more wild to think about which is something to think about in itself. :D
There is no need for a theory of gravity, because gravity is an effect of something else. It's not a stand-alone omnipresent force in the universe.
There is no fabric or particle or quanta of gravity anywhere. Just as there is no such thing as the fabric and twisting, stretching and tearing, of Time.
There is however, attraction and repulsion due to other effects, which if we ignore them, we can create whatever mystical thing we want, perhaps call it Mana. I want more writings about the Theory of Mana to believe in Magic.
interstellar filaments conducted electricity having currents as high as 10 thousand billion amperes
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"Charge separation prevents the collapse of stars." Wal Thornhill

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Re: Repulsive Gravity

Unread post by spark » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:35 am

Wal Thornhill talks about repulsive gravity part of electric gravity in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvfFJiUWuDk

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Re: Repulsive Gravity

Unread post by hyrumpoint0 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:28 pm

spark wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:35 am Wal Thornhill talks about repulsive gravity part of electric gravity in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvfFJiUWuDk
Hollow Jupiter, hmmm.
What's interesting to me, while watching that video, other than the hollow planet concept, is that NASA even got to Jupiter. Since their probe arrived there, they must have successfully calculated its distance, and they're using Newton's gravity equation, which requires the mass of the Sun and of Jupiter to calculate. The thing not needed to calculate is Jupiter's orbital period and that can be used to determine the force between the Sun and Jupiter, but we still need to know the mass of the planets (if Newton's gravity equation is valid).
But the EU gravity theory is completely different than what NASA used to calculate Jupiter's distance. So if the EU model of gravity is (more) correct, then NASA is either lying about getting to Jupiter, or they're lying about how far it is. Or, there's the ridiculously slim chance that both models of gravity will predict the same distance to Jupiter.
I'm not defending mainstream science, just trying to figure it out. I suspect they're lying about their space missions.

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Re: Repulsive Gravity

Unread post by dren » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:26 pm

hyrumpoint0 wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:28 pm
spark wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:35 am Wal Thornhill talks about repulsive gravity part of electric gravity in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvfFJiUWuDk
Hollow Jupiter, hmmm.
What's interesting to me, while watching that video, other than the hollow planet concept, is that NASA even got to Jupiter. Since their probe arrived there, they must have successfully calculated its distance, and they're using Newton's gravity equation, which requires the mass of the Sun and of Jupiter to calculate. The thing not needed to calculate is Jupiter's orbital period and that can be used to determine the force between the Sun and Jupiter, but we still need to know the mass of the planets (if Newton's gravity equation is valid).
But the EU gravity theory is completely different than what NASA used to calculate Jupiter's distance. So if the EU model of gravity is (more) correct, then NASA is either lying about getting to Jupiter, or they're lying about how far it is. Or, there's the ridiculously slim chance that both models of gravity will predict the same distance to Jupiter.
I'm not defending mainstream science, just trying to figure it out. I suspect they're lying about their space missions.
The gravity of a planet is calculated via Newtonian mechanics. Wall states mass is a variable dependent on charge, so the calculated density of planets is misleading, which then leads to the wrong guess of a planet's composition.

Unless there is an inherent dipole in an atom, you run into the chicken vs egg argument with his theory. The way he explains it makes it sound like gravity is required to create the dipole which then creates the gravity. Perhaps it is done during sun/planet creation via Marklund Convection.

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Re: Repulsive Gravity

Unread post by hyrumpoint0 » Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:50 pm

dren wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:26 pm
The gravity of a planet is calculated via Newtonian mechanics. Wall states mass is a variable dependent on charge, so the calculated density of planets is misleading, which then leads to the wrong guess of a planet's composition.

Unless there is an inherent dipole in an atom, you run into the chicken vs egg argument with his theory. The way he explains it makes it sound like gravity is required to create the dipole which then creates the gravity. Perhaps it is done during sun/planet creation via Marklund Convection.
I think EU has sufficiently explained the condensation of matter through plasma currents and pinch points. Once condensed, then the force of "gravity" can produce its effects, possibly including orbits.

BUT, you dodged the most interesting question. I wonder if this was intentional? No matter, the most interesting question is: how does NASA navigate the solar system using their gravity equation which does not take into effect the charges of the planets and Sun???

The following article touches on this question, https://www.holoscience.com/wp/newtons- ... ar-system/, but neglects to give clues for an answer.

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Re: Repulsive Gravity

Unread post by dren » Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:31 pm

hyrumpoint0 wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:50 pm
dren wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:26 pm
The gravity of a planet is calculated via Newtonian mechanics. Wall states mass is a variable dependent on charge, so the calculated density of planets is misleading, which then leads to the wrong guess of a planet's composition.

Unless there is an inherent dipole in an atom, you run into the chicken vs egg argument with his theory. The way he explains it makes it sound like gravity is required to create the dipole which then creates the gravity. Perhaps it is done during sun/planet creation via Marklund Convection.
I think EU has sufficiently explained the condensation of matter through plasma currents and pinch points. Once condensed, then the force of "gravity" can produce its effects, possibly including orbits.

BUT, you dodged the most interesting question. I wonder if this was intentional? No matter, the most interesting question is: how does NASA navigate the solar system using their gravity equation which does not take into effect the charges of the planets and Sun???

The following article touches on this question, https://www.holoscience.com/wp/newtons- ... ar-system/, but neglects to give clues for an answer.
Good point, and I wasn't ducking anything. I'd assume (I don't know) that orbital observations along with radio signaling from satellites got them in the ballpark.

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Re: Repulsive Gravity

Unread post by hyrumpoint0 » Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:56 pm

dren wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:31 pm
Good point, and I wasn't ducking anything. I'd assume (I don't know) that orbital observations along with radio signaling from satellites got them in the ballpark.
Okay, didn't mean to accuse you of being dodgy:)

Interesting points! I wonder if other methods of calculating distance to the planets would coincide with the EU model. Since there are more variables to the EU model, it seems more difficult to calculate planetary mass/charge/distances...

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Re: Repulsive Gravity

Unread post by paladin17 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:24 pm

hyrumpoint0 wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:50 pm how does NASA navigate the solar system using their gravity equation which does not take into effect the charges of the planets and Sun???
The simplest answer is that the theory just works (at least at this scale).
And regarding the charges - they are irrelevant anyway due to Debye screening (see discussion here).

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Re: Repulsive Gravity

Unread post by nick c » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:30 pm

how does NASA navigate the solar system using their gravity equation which does not take into effect the charges of the planets and Sun???
This question came up somewhere on the old forum. The navigation is done with several different factors one of which is Newtonian gravitation.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... bes-navig/

Course corrections can be made during the journey.
https://space.stackexchange.com/questio ... trajectory

I think that this is more engineering rather than evidence in favor or against any particular physics theory.

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Re: Repulsive Gravity

Unread post by spark » Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:39 am

Repulsive Gravity: Extension Of Newton Gravity Among Artificially Moved Masses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH4Wnpw3Jlk

Gravity Between Moving Masses Experiment
http://www.hungarianphysics.eu/DynGravE ... nt_ENG.pdf

Gravity Between Moving Masses Theory
http://www.hungarianphysics.eu/DynGravTheory_ENG.pdf

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