What is VA243 Sumerian Solar System Tablet Actually Depicting?

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What is VA243 Sumerian Solar System Tablet Actually Depicting?

Unread post by spark » Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:56 am

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Is it really depicting our current solar system with Sun at the center or is it depicting Saturn at the center with its various Moons when Earth orbited brown dwarf star Saturn?

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Re: What is VA243 Sumerian Solar System Tablet Actually Depicting?

Unread post by JP Michael » Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:05 pm

How did the Sumerians know about Neptune, Uranus and Pluto before the advent of the telescope (alternate planetary orbits in the past excluded)?

And there's 11 of them: where's the 11th planet? (Some have argued that it is now the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, having been destroyed between the time on ancient Sumer and now).

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Re: What is VA243 Sumerian Solar System Tablet Actually Depicting?

Unread post by spark » Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:12 pm

Is it possible that Neptune, Uranus and Pluto were the moons of Saturn? Or maybe Neptune and Uranus always orbited the Sun and the ancient people saw Neptune and Uranus as Saturn System passed close to Neptune and Uranus while in the process of getting captured by the Sun? Maybe even tilting Uranus to its current axis tilt as Saturn System passed close to it?

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Re: What is VA243 Sumerian Solar System Tablet Actually Depicting?

Unread post by nick c » Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:35 pm

The only thing that can be ascertained [from this configuration of celestial objects (?) in a section of cylinder seal VA243] is that because of a lack of clarification from other sources; it tells us very little. Any interpretations are going to involve the making of huge assumptions. That is because there is no accompanying or associated text that can verify any interpretation. The inscription on the seal has no celestial reference of any kind:
So the full (rather boring) inscription of VA243 reads: “Dubsiga, Ili-illat, your/his servant.
from: https://sitchiniswrong.com/VA243seal.pdf
The name Dubsiga is a person's name.

from the same paper:
There is not a single text in the entire corpus of Sumerian or Mesopotamian
tablets in the world that tells us the Sumerians (or later inhabitants of Mesopotamia)
knew there were more than five planets. This is quite a claim, but is demonstrable
through the work of scholars who specialize in cuneiform astronomy.
The alleged Sun in the center is in fact NOT the way the Sun was normally depicted in Sumerian documents. The Sun is depicted, as are the planets and all celestial objects as a type of asterisk (star) figure which is distinguished through text from planets, stars, comets, etc which are also depicted by a variation of an asterisk type (dingir) symbol. The asterisk also is translated as "God" in cuneiform writing. Celestial objects were all "stars" or "gods". That is common in the ancient world. Planets were wandering stars, meteors were shooting stars, comets were hairy stars, dragon stars, etc, and what we distinguish as stellar objects today, ie stars, were called fixed stars.
The concept of “divinity” in Sumerian is closely associated with the heavens, as is evident from the fact that the cuneiform sign doubles as the ideogram for “sky”, and that its original shape is the picture of a star.
from: https://aratta.wordpress.com/2015/07/28 ... -nineresh/

As has been pointed out numerous times in Saturn Theory; "Shamash" which translates as "Sun" is often used in reference to Saturn. Here is a link to an article from 1910 by Assyriologist Morris Jastrow:
https://www.catastrophism.com/texts/sun ... /index.htm

This cylinder seal in itself does not tell us much about the Sumerian/Akkadian cosmic view. Unless some further corroborating evidence can be presented (that puts the image in this cylinder seal into perspective) it is not especially noteworthy. That is, the image has no context in what is known about Sumerian imagery or cuneiform wirting.

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Re: Sumerian pictograph VA243

Unread post by RSE » Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:27 pm

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The question about the planetary system depicted on Sumerian pictograph VA 243, might be explained by understanding the wider context.

A perusal of similar pieces of Sumerian clay tablets indicates a culture involved in agriculture, fertility, technology, and drug research - not unlike the popular curriculum today in science, technology, eugenics, and medical experimentation (STEM.) Then, as now, a clash in science theory tends to result in verbal and physical hostility. Envy over advances made by a competitor may incur long-term effects on social stability and continuance of knowledge.

I am not a Sumerian scholar, but I know a little about the ancient trade-exchange that diffused knowledge of culture, cosmology, and equipage world-wide. I am also experienced in petroglyph and pictograph interpretation.

Sumerian pictograph VA 243 seems to depict the story of a traveling scientist, perhaps from the Americas, who was captured and taken to the court of the Tsar. The scene is rich with elements of the materialistic science of the period. Clues to this science are inscribed to the left and right of the panel. Some of the same or similar clues and picture-elements occur in ancient petroglyphs on the North American continent.

The captor, perhaps a bureaucrat in the hierarchy, and a racist, looks rather indignant as he drags the traveller before the Tsar. Note the angry angles of the arms as he oppressively grips the captive and makes his complaint. It appears that the captor is speaking with verbal thunder. The dialogue might go something like this:

"This... this foreigner was found teaching a false science to the people. He insists that there are 11 planets in our solar system. Everybody knows that this is not true! He also claims to have expertise in eugenics and crop science." The scene includes some finely wrought tools confiscated from the traveler (near bottom left of center.)

The stranger remains calm as he listens to the allegations. His facial features seems to fit North American aboriginal phenotypes. The captor continues:

"We found him with these weapons and paraphernalia. This is evidence that he is a dangerous spy who wishes to overthrow our state, its institutions, and the common order of knowledge. He is an offense to our gods! What shall we do with him?" The mind of the captor, bristling with indignity, is reacting: Do you realize how many clay textbook-tablets that this man's teachings would force us to rewrite, not to mention the loss of our reputation?

The Tsar listens quietly, and with increasing interest. Even the venomous snake coiled around the Tsar's headgear has dropped into a posture like an ear-horn. It could be that this stranger knows something that the Sumerians do not. The elements on either side of the scene indicate that the Sumerians are involved in experiments with biochemical processes, in which animals are primary test targets.

In front of the Tsar is a piece of equipment; a contraption that seems impractical and even broken. It looks partly like a plow, partly like a yoke, and partly like a jig for making surgeon-sharp stone tools. The Tsar is concerned. There is a social crises going on. Was it brought about by the loss of knowledge that the ancients possessed? It is a loss that has both humans and animals looking thin and hungry. Other Sumerian pictographs show very thin people, signifying a famine.

There is more to the story, but we shall pause here, lest I be faulted for veering off topic. Perhaps readers of the Thunderbolts forum can help me unpack more of the story by answering a few questions.

1) What is the estimated date of the Sumerian pictograph VA 243 ?

2) Is there a date that the thunderbolt plasma-phase ended, in which Thunderbolt Project scientists feel a reasonable confidence?

All history is interconnected. I am certain there are clues pointing to a history of planetary science in the pictograph. An understanding of the wider story can help researchers locate threads that lead to cosmology and other themes.

This is my initial post on the Thunderbolts forum. I am glad to meet you all.

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Re: What is VA243 Sumerian Solar System Tablet Actually Depicting?

Unread post by paladin17 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:50 pm

This may be, among other things, a completely arbitrary depiction of bodies - an "artist's impression', if you like. It may also show the stars in the sky (as seen from Earth) and not planets in the first place. It may be also a symbolic depiction of months of the year. It may be anything really.

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Re: What is VA243 Sumerian Solar System Tablet Actually Depicting?

Unread post by X-RAY » Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:09 pm

I guess, the question is, “am I willing to believe that the ancient Sumerians held an accurate view of the solar system?

The thing that attracted me to Dave Talbot’s teachings was his belief that ancient myths are rooted in fact. According to ancient Sumerian tablets, the knowledge they possessed had not been acquired over a vast period of time. It had been bestowed on them by those that descended from above.

Why would anyone believe that?

The magic associated with the ancient Sumerian 360-day calendar was enough to convince me.

1. The ancient Sumerian’s basic unit of time was a period of 4-minutes, which is also the equivalent to 1-degree in Sumerian-based astronomy.
2. 4-minutes X 360 = 1440-minutes (or 1-day).
3. 1440-minutes X 360 = 1-year (518,400-minutes)
4. 518,400-minutes X 360-miles per minute = 186,624,000-miles (Earth’s major axis)
5. 186,624,000 X pi (3.141592654) = Earth’s orbital circumference (586,296,587.4-miles)
6. 586,296,587.4 / 216th harmonic is 2,714,336.053-miles (Sun’s photospheric circumference)

How accurate are these values?

The answer to that question may be found in the photosphere’s relationship with the Earth and Moon.

a. 2,714,336.053 / pi (3.141592654) = 864,000-miles (widely accepted value for Sun’s diameter)
b. 2,714,336.053 / 109 = 24,902.16562 (widely accepted value for Earth’s equatorial circumference)
c. 2,714,336.053 / 400 = 6,785.840133-miles (widely accepted value for Moon’s circumference)
d. 6,785.840133 / pi (3.141592654) = 2,160-miles (widely accepted value for Moon’s diameter)

The figures are absolutely precise. And, interestingly, it was not only the ancient Sumerians that were gifted with this knowledge. There is overwhelming evidence that the identical 360-day calendar had been used by the ancient Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Indians, Chinese, and Mesoamericans.

The 360-day calendar appears to be a binary composite of the Earth’s 365-day calendar and the Lunar 355-day calendar (365+355 /2=360). More importantly, it is very likely that the apsidal interaction at the “line of apsides” is a principal driver of our space weather.

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