Anode Star Model Yields Electrical Connections to Cathode Planets

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Anode Star Model Yields Electrical Connections to Cathode Planets

Unread post by Brigit » Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:30 am

In the Electric Universe model, there are several startling axioms which the proponents work with in the arena of celestial mechanics.
  • The first axiom is that Brown dwarfs are capable of being captured by main sequence stars. This historically was an outrageous idea in the 50s, but any objective observer will notice that there are now countless instances, in our solar system and in exoplanetary systems, in which gas giants, moons and satellites have either been captured, or have experienced planetary migration. So really the severe stigma attached to this idea is a relic of simpler times in astronomy.
  • The second axiom is that planetary capture is only possible in the Electric Universe model, because the flaring and violent outbursts of the captured bodies expel materials, and in the process lose both mass and charge, so that the required braking mechanism for capture is present. Otherwise, interloping objects should pass right by and not be captured.
The third axiom is that in the Sun is a positively charged object, continually arcing and discharging within its stellar circuit. The planets, then, become less positively charged electrodes in the Sun's discharge. And that is the idea that I want to focus in on and explore, in this dialogue, to the exclusion of the others.

So the question is, "If the planets are secondary electrodes, that is cathodes, in the solar discharge, what are the electrical connections of the planets to the Sun ?"

In a lecture to the NPA in Maryland in 2012, Wal Thornhill said,
  • "What I've shown here, coming down from the top left, is a red dwarf which has entered the Sun's electrical environment.

    The two heliospheres have touched and then, when that happens, they see each other electrically.

    Now the Sun is treated in the Electric Universe as an anode, a positively charged body.

    A red dwarf is a much less positively charged body, which is glowing dimly. So when it enters the Sun's domain it becomes a comet, and it switches from being an anode to a cathode.

    Also their electrical forces start to apply in the form of modification of the mass of the objects in that brown dwarf system."

    He continues,

    "When you've captured all of these bodies it must be total chaos in the solar system. All of the orbits have to be adjusted to achieve stability.
    And that's when I came up with this idea that all planets in the solar system act as secondary electrodes in the Sun's discharge. They are less positive than the Sun, they are therefore cathodes. They emit electrons. In this case they're all drawn into the current sheet of the Sun."

    "...and it's this electrical transfer between the inner planet and the outer planet that spaces them and stabilizes the system. So that's my contribution - Electrically Modified Newtonian Dynamics - I call it. It's very simple, the equations are just involved high school physics.

    It explains the electrical capture, the avoidance, and rapid orbit stabilization.

    It explains the transition of the captured system from a brown dwarf to a gas giant. It's no longer a star, and it has to adjust to its electrical environment, and that may involve flaring and violent outbursts, just like comets."

There are already amazing threads and TBP publications which discuss the abundant electrical phenomena present at the poles of nearly all of the planets, as well as outcomes from Birkeland's little Terella experiments. Not a new subject. In this context, though, the planets are discussed as cathodes to the Sun, which emit electrons toward the sun in a circuit.
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Re: Anode Star Model Yields Electrical Connections to Cathode Planets

Unread post by jackokie » Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:54 pm

Wal said:
"...In this case they're all drawn into the current sheet of the Sun."
So in this scenario, what is the actual topology? Don Scott has asserted that Birkeland currents can explain both the shape and counter rotation of Jupiter's and Saturn's auroras. He has also asserted that in a Birkeland current, current flows, or at least can flow, in two directions. Based on Scott's ideas, I visualize Birkeland currents stretching from the sun to the planets, like spokes on a wheel; the circuit is completed either by the Birkeland current's capacity for bidirectional currents, or some other mechanism. Given that the planets are moving, the Birkeland currents must accommodate that motion.

If the above topology is correct, how does the sun's current sheet fit into this picture?
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Re: Anode Star Model Yields Electrical Connections to Cathode Planets

Unread post by jacmac » Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:00 am

Here are a few random comments.

If I have learned anything in the last 13 years on this forum, it is that
solar physics is very complicated.
Therefore even regular descriptive language about the subject needs be complicated.

It is a convention in the electromagnetic world that current flow is the direction
that protons move, even if electrons do most of the moving.

Even the terms anode and cathode can be confusing depending on what is happening in a "circuit".

If Birkeland currents can travel in both directions on adjacent congruent cylinder like channels,
that wreaks havoc on the terms anode and cathode.

I prefer looking at the solar system as a multi layered plasma cell built around an inner solid core.

So, describing how the sun's current sheet fits in, depends on what one is trying to fit it into.

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Re: Anode Star Model Yields Electrical Connections to Cathode Planets

Unread post by Brigit » Thu Mar 09, 2023 1:01 am

jackokie says, "Wal said: '...In this case they're all drawn into the current sheet of the Sun.' So in this scenario, what is the actual topology? Don Scott has asserted that Birkeland currents can explain both the shape and counter rotation of Jupiter's and Saturn's auroras. He has also asserted that in a Birkeland current, current flows, or at least can flow, in two directions. Based on Scott's ideas, I visualize Birkeland currents stretching from the sun to the planets, like spokes on a wheel; the circuit is completed either by the Birkeland current's capacity for bidirectional currents, or some other mechanism. Given that the planets are moving, the Birkeland currents must accommodate that motion.

If the above topology is correct, how does the sun's current sheet fit into this picture?"

Thanks for bringing attention to that aspect of Wal Thornhill's description of planetary capture jackokie. It is a necessary detail in how the planets came to be orbiting their new star, the sun, within the plane of the ecliptic. Remember, the planets and sun are all charged objects in a plasma environment. Moving charged objects can respond electrically to each other if conditions are right.

So "how does the sun's current sheet fit into this picture?" The sun itself would have also expelled materials towards the newcomers, if their approach was fast enough and their charges were different enough, wrt the sun's.

The CMEs and flares would have been likely along the plane of the ecliptic, and that much tonnage of ionized materials would have played a part in the capture of the new satellites, along with the violent expulsion of materials from the brown dwarf(s).

So it helps to understand that the planets as well as the sun were suffering electrical discharges during the period of instability in the solar system.
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Re: Anode Star Model Yields Electrical Connections to Cathode Planets

Unread post by Brigit » Thu Mar 09, 2023 1:06 am

I'll give supporting evidence of the sun's electrical responses to even small moving bodies in a bit.
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Re: Anode Star Model Yields Electrical Connections to Cathode Planets

Unread post by danda » Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:56 am

Brigit wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 1:06 am I'll give supporting evidence of the sun's electrical responses to even small moving bodies in a bit.
Looking forward to this.

Just thinking about the cause of CMEs, in context of what you've said above. So here's a conjecture from a layperson:

All CMEs are caused by imbalances in the sun's electrical field which are typically either:
1) objects entering or leaving the Sun's heliosphere.
2) objects repositioning within the Sun's heliosphere.
3) Variations of the birkeland currents that power the sun.

Does that sound right to anyone? What's wrong with it?

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Re: Anode Star Model Yields Electrical Connections to Cathode Planets

Unread post by Brigit » Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:25 am

Sun Responds Electrically to Cometary "Sungrazers": a History
https://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/phpBB3 ... f=3&t=1004

Here is a small collection of publications on the subject of sungrazers, and how the mighty sun has responded in the past to tiny, negatively charged objects that approached too quickly.
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