The Wal Thornhill Invisible College

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The Wal Thornhill Invisible College

Unread post by Brigit » Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:18 am

It seems we have lost someone who is dear to us. His passing at this time seems incomprehensible, because his steady and tremendous efforts to educate and to inspire showed no signs of waning, and his cheerful smile and considerate bearing while explaining seemed a sign of the best health.

This is sudden, and also a loss to science which has no remedy. Rather than dwell too long in excessive grief or anguish, it might help to call to mind what he said regarding emotional intelligence, for a start.

In "Grey Matter vs Dark Matter" August 28th, 2006 he wrote:

Is there Intelligent Life Down Here on Earth?

"If there were a modest degree of intelligent life on Earth you might think that a theory that rests upon empirical observation, without resorting to invisible dark matter and other abstract inventions and beliefs, would be the focus of attention. Alas, Eric Idle’s forlorn assessment seems to be accurate.

Evidently a PhD and a large number of published papers do not signify an individual’s intelligence. The techniques we use to judge intelligence are skewed toward cleverness, conformity and a good memory. But there is one important facet that is never considered—emotional intelligence. Yet it requires a high degree of emotional intelligence to respond rationally to information that threatens our sense of personal power or of how things are. Judging from the rejection of Halton Arp’s discoveries, it is a crucial lesson we are missing. Irritation or dismissal in response to a well-argued case is a signal that emotion has overruled reason.

For those who will not learn from it, history repeats itself. Halton Arp is to the 21st century what Galileo was to the 17th. Both were respected scientists, popular leaders in their field. Both made observations that contradicted accepted theory. Seventeenth century academics felt threatened by Galileo’s observations and so, backed by ecclesiastical authority, they ordered him to stop looking. Twentieth century astronomers felt threatened by Arp’s observations and so, backed by institutional authority, they ordered him to stop looking."


When I first read the articles on holoscience, I had not heard that phrase before, and went on an interesting search and study to learn more. It was helpful in my life. So let's buck up, and remember our emotional intelligence, and get to the science of the Electric Universe as well as we can.

One wish I have is to see this forum rededicated to what he said, by working on quoting his books, papers and presentations when we are discussing matters.

And my second wish is that there will now be within the forum a new Invisible College, called by his name, where we use dialogue to understand the science of the Electric Universe as he presented it, better. I will post some basic rules of The Dialogue Game which gives the sense of how we can achieve a new level of conversation on scientific topics.
“Oh for shame, how these mortals put the blame upon us gods, for they say evils come from us, when it is they rather who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given…”
~Homer

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The Wal Thornhill Invisible College

Unread post by Brigit » Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:11 pm

High Level Dialogue in the Wal Thornhill Invisible College

  • "Welcome. The invisible school trains groups of all sorts to engage in a high level of dialogue. We do this through a method called the Dialogue Game. Because most of us have no experience of true dialogue, we need a means to catalyze a quantum leap in the quality of our conversation. The Dialogue Game does this. You might think of it as training wheels for group dialogue. It's composed of ten rules that fulfill two functions. First, they initiate a new level of conversation, and second they help continually stabilize and refine our experience. This is a brief introduction to these rules. 




    Rule 1. It's a Time Out. 
    Dialogue takes time to unfold organically. When beginning to explore a distinct, unique and new form of conversation, we need sufficient time and space to do so. By making a clear separation from habitual concerns, predetermined points of view, and any hierarchical positions in society or at work, we create the space for something new to emerge. This rule reminds us to take sufficient time to relax, reflect and rejuvenate. The more effectively we do this the more deeply we sink into dialogue. 

    Rule 2. No Right or Wrong Answers.
    Much of our schooling involves intense concern with right or wrong answers, which have no place in dialogue. This new form of conversation thrives on multiple points of view and subtle shades of meaning. The habit of thinking in terms of right or wrong kills dialogue. This is not to say one must eliminate pre-existing attitudes or opinions, merely suspend them for the duration. Dialogue develops a habit of mind that is softer and more flexible. 

    Rule 3. Make No Decisions.
    Because dialogue is an open-ended exploration, we never make any decisions. This is a distinct difference from the modes of debate and discussion. By refusing to make decisions we keep our minds open, and take plenty of time to explore all aspects of an issue or question and how they all interrelate. Because it's impossible to live our lives individually or collectively without making decisions, we consciously leave the field of dialogue to enter discussion, where we can make necessary decisions. But when we first spend time in dialogue to explore all sides of an issue, then the actions we choose to take are more effective. 

    Rule 4. You May Pass.
    This rule acts as a safety valve to assure that we all feel comfortable and relaxed.In our school experience we're often called on to answer questions and then graded on our response. It's embarassing and hurts our well-being when we don't know an answer. Since inquiry is fundamental to dialogue, all participants must be free to ask probing questions, but no one is compelled to answer. When someone chooses to pass, we often discover an interesting response from a different participant. The key is that everyone feels safe to volunteer their best thinking no matter how new or unexamined it may be. The more everyone feels safe to share their thoughts, the greater the number of interesting thoughts are brought out of hiding voluntarily. 
Just a quick remark on Rule 4: You May Pass. I have often refrained from responding on a good topic because I felt I needed to have a well-formulated response -- with references !! -- in order to participate. And because references are sometimes very hard to find in notes, or books, or digitally, this can mean that we set it aside and hope to get back to the topic another time. After all, many of us have a decade, two, or many decades of research on the Electric Universe and not being able to organize it all and retrieve it can be pretty frustrating....Anyway, Rule 4: You May Pass allows a person to express interest and acknowledge the topic by saying simply that it looks interesting. Also, Rule 2: No Right or Wrong Answers allows us to be free from rushing to a favored personal conclusion, and instead to "thrive on multiple points of view and subtle shades of meaning."

In short, Rule 4: You May Pass means that you are welcome, and even encouraged, to express that you read a topical post and subsequent comments and found it interesting. You may pass.


cont'd: Rules 5-10
“Oh for shame, how these mortals put the blame upon us gods, for they say evils come from us, when it is they rather who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given…”
~Homer

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