The Big Bang didn't happen - Lerner's redux

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Re: The Big Bang didn't happen - Lerner's redux

Unread post by Marioantonio » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:40 pm

crawler wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:02 pm
Marioantonio wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:20 pm
crawler wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:36 pm The universe is infinite & eternal.
People in the EU don’t like the term infinite.
Can we just say without beginning or end? Ageless?
Hmmm -- without beginning or end dimension wize -- ok (ie infinite)(ie infinite up n down n across)(ie in 3 dimensions).
And without beginning or end time wize -- ok (ie eternal)(eternal going back in time & eternal going forward in time).

One problem is that BBers might agree re infinite dimension wize -- koz i think that according to some BB theory if u travel in what u think is a straight line then u come back to where u started.

And another problem is that many of us don believe that there is such a thing as time -- time is an illusion (me)(Einstein)(others) -- hence the concept of eternal might be problematic.

Ageless. Hmmmm -- no, i dont agree -- i think that everything has an age, even if only an instant -- i think that ageless is a term used praps by theater critics etc not science.

You don’t believe in time but you believe in “age” for the universe? I distinctly remember a Thunderbolts video talking about the Universe being ageless, I can’t remember the exact one, could someone help, please? Maybe?

As for space, someone on these forums already talked about the universe being a closed space, a poincare sphere, like being in a mirrored cube, go to one side of the universe, you wind up on the other side.

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Re: The Big Bang didn't happen - Lerner's redux

Unread post by nick c » Sun Jan 29, 2023 1:03 am

marioantonio wrote:People in the EU don’t like the term infinite.
And with good reason. The term "infinite" is not scientific. It is an abstract mathematical concept; that is, it is a term which has no application to reality. The reason that it is not scientific is that science is about making observations and measurements, used to falsify theories. Infinity cannot be observed and it cannot be measured.

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Re: The Big Bang didn't happen - Lerner's redux

Unread post by Cargo » Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:28 am

Marioantonio wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:20 pm
crawler wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:36 pm The universe is infinite & eternal.
People in the EU don’t like the term infinite.

Can we just say without beginning or end? Ageless?
We don't? Says who? ;p
It all depends on the context. ;]
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Re: The Big Bang didn't happen - Lerner's redux

Unread post by BeAChooser » Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:21 pm

They must still be worried that people aren’t buying their garbage any more …

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/no-big- ... 36285.html
No, the Big Bang theory is not 'broken.' Here's how we know.
And who is Paul Sutter, the author? Yet another astrophysicist turned *science communicator* whose livelihood depends on the mainstream memes. Indeed, his own bio (https://www.pmsutter.com) states “You can find Paul everywhere from the stage and screen to all forms of social media, and he is routinely brought in to speak to audiences around the world, including at the Boston Museum of Science, the Houston Museum of Science, the Griffith Observatory, the Frost Science Center in Miami, and more. He is available to speak about physics, astronomy, cosmology, space exploration, the intersection of science and art, and the relationship between science and society.”

He’s not only a believer in dark matter, dark energy, black holes and the Big Bang, he’s apparently also an AGWalarmist too.

Who would have guessed?

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Re: The Big Bang didn't happen - Lerner's redux

Unread post by jacmac » Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:41 pm

Right.
If they see a sign that says: "go to jail directly, do not pass GO",
they MIGHT SAY their Big Bang theory is incorrect. :D

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Re: The Big Bang didn't happen - Lerner's redux

Unread post by Marioantonio » Fri Feb 03, 2023 8:07 pm

Cargo wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:28 am
Marioantonio wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:20 pm
crawler wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:36 pm The universe is infinite & eternal.
People in the EU don’t like the term infinite.

Can we just say without beginning or end? Ageless?
We don't? Says who? ;p
It all depends on the context. ;]
Read Nick C’s comment above yours.
BeAChooser wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:21 pm He’s apparently also an AGWalarmist too.
Okay? What does that have to do with anything? That is completely out of left field.

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Re: The Big Bang didn't happen - Lerner's redux

Unread post by BeAChooser » Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:54 pm

Marioantonio wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 8:07 pm Okay? What does that have to do with anything? That is completely out of left field.
Well, both show a certain lack of common sense and scientific rigor.

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Re: The Big Bang didn't happen - Lerner's redux

Unread post by BeAChooser » Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:08 pm

https://www.inverse.com/science/astrono ... osmic-dawn
ASTRONOMERS MAY BE ON THE CUSP OF A “POTENTIALLY REVOLUTIONARY” COSMOLOGICAL BREAKTHROUGH

These astronomers have the next 50 years all planned out.
These astronomers have a plan to keep themselves employed comfortably for a long, long time, don't they? And it's almost guaranteed that NOTHING they discover will be worth the expense. In fact, I suggest what they discover will not benefit the taxpayers who fund their work in any measurable way. It's just money down a ... well ... black hole.

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Re: The Big Bang didn't happen - Lerner's redux

Unread post by BeAChooser » Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:34 am

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo ... r-AA17Q4tJ
When the first images from the James Webb Space Telescope were released last July, astronomers got their earliest look at cosmic history yet, seeing captured images of what the universe looks like billions of light years away. They expected to maybe see some "tiny, young, baby galaxies." What they found, however, was something far greater – six massive galaxies dating back about 13.1 billion years that appeared to be just as old as the Milky Way is now.

"These objects are way more massive than anyone expected," astronomer Joel Leja said. "...We've discovered galaxies as mature as our own in what was previously understood to be the dawn of the universe.

Those findings were published on Wednesday in the journal Nature (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586- ... MSF0951a18). 

Ivo Labbé, the lead author of the study, said they started realizing they were onto something barely a week after the telescope images were released. 

"Little did I know that among the pictures is a small red dot that will shake up our understanding of how the first galaxies formed after the Big Bang," Labbé said. "...I run the analysis software on the little pinprick and it spits out two numbers: distance 13.1 billion light years, mass 100 billion stars, and I nearly spit out my coffee. We just discovered the impossible. Impossibly early, impossibly massive galaxies.

… snip …

That red dot was just the beginning. The next day, they found five more apparent galaxies. And the pictures taken by JWST show them as they were when our 13.8 billion-year-old universe was a mere 700 million years old. And if that's the case, they said, that would mean that the galaxies formed "as many stars as our present-day Milky Way. In record time." 

… snip …

"Regardless, the amount of mass we discovered means that the known mass in stars at this period of our universe is up to 100 times greater than we had previously thought," Leja said. "...The revelation that massive galaxy formation began extremely early in the history of the universe upends what many of us had thought was settled science. We've been informally calling these objects 'universe breakers' — and they have been living up to their name so far."

The objects, they said, are so big that scientists may have to alter cosmology models or force a total consensus revision of the belief that galaxies start out as little dust clouds and take a long time to become giant entities. 
Here’s what a Yahoo article says …

https://news.yahoo.com/james-webb-teles ... 34475.html
James Webb telescope captures ancient galaxies that theoretically shouldn't exist

… snip …

The scientists explained that they should not exist under current cosmological theory, because there shouldn't have been enough matter at the time for the galaxies to form as many stars as ours has.
Gee ... a dozen *science communicators* and numerous astrophysicists publicly derided Lerner for saying the same thing.

No doubt they’ll apologize now.

Who am I kidding. :roll:

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