What could be done with the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST)?

[Holger Isenberg]

With the official NASA press release pitching big bang by writing about gravitational lensing visible in the first JWST image: How could the telescope be used to validate alternative explanations about that? What other interesting observations could be made to demonstrate and validate EU concepts?

https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/godd ... iverse-yet

[allynh]

This article is from Huffington Post, so it is full of clickbait, but is has the best mix of images. This is an example of the propaganda being pushed onto the sponsors to make them support Webb, the same way they did with Hubble.

BTW, I'm not being cynical here, just commenting on the Reality that we live in.

The key point to remember when looking at these beautiful "pictures", is that if you were in a spacecraft located a few light years from each object -- in our "spaceship of the Imagination" -- that you would not see what the "picture" shows.

The cameras takes infrared images, that are then colorized to look pretty.

I have harvested the links to the images they show so that you don't have to be on their website too long. I added a few comments in parentheses with some of the "pictures".

NASA Releases More Images From Powerful Webb Space Telescope
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nasa-jam ... 392d449dbd

Stars are born and stars die in a cosmic dance revealed in stunning images by the James Webb Space Telescope.

Jul 12, 2022, 10:55 AM EDT | Updated 43 minutes ago

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(This is looking down the barrel of a Birkeland current. It is not a sphere.)

This side-by-side comparison shows observations of the Southern Ring Nebula in near-infrared light, at left, and mid-infrared light, at right, from NASA’s Webb Telescope.

NASA on Tuesday released more images from the James Webb Space Telescope, a day after President Joe Biden unveiled the first image at the White House.

In partnership with the European Space Agency and Canadian Space Agency, NASA released the images as part of its research into the earliest days of the universe.

While images of galaxies have been seen before, the $10 billion Webb telescope uses the infrared spectrum to show the cosmos in detail never seen before. It’s considered the successor to the Hubble Space Telescope.

NASA revealed the images one by one in a giddy presentation with satellite linkups to groups and facilities around the world that contributed to the mission. Despite technical glitches, the scientists’ enthusiasm was infectious.

This image of a galaxy cluster was released Tuesday in a presentation from NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center.

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Thousands of galaxies flood this near-infrared image of galaxy cluster SMACS 0723.

This image of a distant planet was released next. The telescope has captured the signature of water, along with clouds and haze, surrounding a hot, gas-giant planet called WASP-96 b.

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A transmission spectrum made from a single observation using Webb’s Near-Infrared Imager and Slitless Spectrograph reveals atmospheric characteristics of the hot gas giant exoplanet WASP-96 b.

These images of NGC 3132, known informally as the Southern Ring Nebula, help scientists understand how the dying star spurts out rings of gas and dust for thousands of years.

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(They think that it's a dying star rather than looking down the barrel of a Birkeland current. They are not rings blown off of a dying star.)

This side-by-side comparison shows observations of the Southern Ring Nebula in near-infrared light, at left, and mid-infrared light, at right, from NASA’s Webb Telescope.

In the fourth reveal of the day, five galaxies are shown in an arrangement called Stephan’s Quintet, with four of them interacting. Data scientist Giovanna Giardino said the image shows “a sort of cosmic dance driven by the gravitational force.”

These galaxies famously appeared in the 1946 film “It’s a Wonderful Life” as angels responding to the prayers of George Bailey.

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(This was assembled from many images.)

An enormous mosaic of Stephan’s Quintet is the largest image to date from NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope, covering about one-fifth of the moon’s diameter.

The last image reveals details about a stellar nursery called NGC 3324 in the Carina Nebula. The image reveals previously invisible details about star birth. The tallest “peaks” in the image are 7 light-years high.

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(They will use "pictures" like this to keep people interested. This is not what we we see with the "naked eye" from our "spaceship of the Imagination" as we float a few light years away from the object. Photoshop is great, isn't it.)

What looks much like craggy mountains on a moonlit evening is actually the edge of a nearby, young, star-forming region NGC 3324 in the Carina Nebula.

If you’d like to learn more about the images, NASA has provided very detailed information on its website for the telescope.

https://www.nasa.gov/webbfirstimages

[Holger Isenberg]

This is an example of the propaganda being pushed onto the sponsors to make them support Webb, the same way they did with Hubble.

Yes, but let's keep this discussion thread for observation or data processing ideas to support EU topics.

That the telescope is currently used to support standard model topics is obvious and was needed to keep the sponsors happy. And it's good that it had those sponsors, but now lets find out what better things can be achieved with the instruments on it.

For example observing the orbit trails of comets, as seen here with the Spitzer IR space telescope around comet 73P Schwassman-Wachmann 3: https://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/image/s ... met-pieces Those are only visible between 7µm and 30µm, which is mid IR and matches the range of the MIRI camera on JWST.

[Holger Isenberg]

From today's press conference live stream, here a great question asked by Marcia Smith, 15 minutes before the end of the stream at https://youtu.be/vFq_e0mQVUs?t=14158:

On a fundamental level you talked about the scientist being more bold, bolder. Do they need to be bold enough to really ask fundamental questions, about, whether or not everything as we think we know is wrong? Are we on the verge of a copernican revolution? Or we suddenly realize, through the eyes of JWST and all the other space telescope and ground based telescopes, we are really missing something in our modeling and all our theories about how the universe works?

[BeAChooser]

One of the James Webb pictures just released is this one ( https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IH6qYhAE0Ms/ ... abeled.jpg ) showing Stephan’s Quintet. This is one of the objects that Halton Arp used to question the accuracy of redshifts. He did this because in earlier images of Quintet, the foreground galaxy (left side of the Webb image ... (https://stsci-opo.org/STScI-01G7DAXJYYT ... RK5X2F.tif )) and the background galaxy at the top of the image both had tails sweeping around almost parallel to one another toward an active galaxy that is out of the frame of the James Webb image. Also radio telescope observations were said to show a bridge of gas linking these two galaxies and the active one that is out of the frame. The bridge of gas was said to continue to the opposite side of the active galaxy … to a cluster of quasars which have similar redshifts to the three high-z members of the quintet. He speculated that all this was too much to be just coincidence.

Then in 2000 the European Space Agency issued a breaking news on the Quintet (http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0010/26hststephen/ ), saying that the “Just by looking at this splendid [Hubble Space Telescope] image it is clear that the redshift discordance . . . is now finally resolved. Hubble's resolution is so high that individual stars can be discerned in [the lower redshift galaxy], showing that it is definitely closer than the [remaining higher redshift] group of galaxies." I have to admit that the James Webb image also shows better resolution of the low redshift galaxy suggesting that it might be closer? All seemed well for the mainstream until, in 2004, a high z quasar was discovered in front of the supposed low redshift galaxy … very near it’s center. See this: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IH6qYhAE0Ms/ ... abeled.jpg .

According to it’s redshift (z=2.11), the quasar should be billions of lights years behind the galaxy (z=0.0225). It was argued that the dust in this part of the galaxy was so dense that it is unlikely that light from a distant quasar would be visible through it. Also, there appeared to be a jet from the active nucleus of the galaxy to the quasar ( http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ggwHkHXfwXQ/T ... galaxy.jpg ) suggesting, according to Arp, that the quasar was ejected from the core of NGC 7319. Arp and Fulton went on to study tens of thousands of galaxies and quasars, testing and confirming the hypothesis that quasars are ejected from “parent” galaxies.

Now studying the James Web image, the quasar in question is still there and appears to be in front of the low z galaxy, but there does seems to be less obscuration of the background behind the galaxy so perhaps it's just peeking through. There alsodoesn’t appear to be as well defined a jet pointing towards the quasar from the central core. Why is this? Has the James Webb image been processed in a way that would filter out these details to make the stars more distinct and visible? To eliminate obscuring gas? Note that the tail of the galaxy is also not evident, with suggests to me some sort of processing is eliminating these features. Let’s admit, this is just the sort of thing that mainstream Big Bang, Dark Matter believing astrophysicists might do to prop up their gn …. er … theories.

[Holger Isenberg]

This is one of the objects that Halton Arp used to question the accuracy of redshifts. He did this because in earlier images of Quintet, the foreground galaxy (left side of the Webb image ... (https://stsci-opo.org/STScI-01G7DAXJYYT ... RK5X2F.tif )) and the background galaxy at the top of the image both had tails sweeping around almost parallel to one another toward an active galaxy that is out of the frame of the James Webb image.

Looks like at least this picture can't be used to provide more evidence for EU topics. So what could be tried to look at with JWST to substantiate EU better?

The invisible tail of the foreground galaxy NGC7320 is most likely due to its visibility only in a few wavelengths. Here in the Thunderbolts video on an older (chemical photography?) image it is clearly bright visible: https://youtu.be/uQu5iff2F3o?t=103
It's also marked here, but only barely visible in 606nm (red): https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... gures?lo=1

[BeAChooser]

Looks like at least this picture can't be used to provide more evidence for EU topics. So what could be tried to look at with JWST to substantiate EU better?

I think that's my point. If the James Webb team can filter or alter the images they release to eliminate any suggestion that EU might be right, why wouldn't they, when they are soooooo invested in redshift = distance, ubiquitous black holes, quasars being black holes, dark matter, etc. etc. etc?

[Holger Isenberg]

That tail of NGC7320 might just not be visible in infrared. I don't think they are removing anything there. One of the images with the tail in the Thunderbolts video is an old chemical photograph taken through the 4m Kitts Peak Observatory Telescope, at video time 3:04.

Any other suggestions what to point the JWST to for EU topics?

[allynh]

This video gives a good background of the telescope.

Seeing The Universe Like We've Never Seen It Before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jT_Zui1Am8

They mention planning to look at stuff in the Solar System as well.

This is looking at the first "pictures", going into more detail.

JWST First Full-Color Images Explained
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VNQ6_hSA8o

He mentions this deep field "picture" that shows "arcs".

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They are assuming gravitational lensing, when in reality they are probably looking down the throat of an intergalactic Birkeland current, with parts in the infrared spectrum. Or, the arcs are actually closer, and within the Milky Way.

The "picture" is large enough that you can zoom in on the arcs. There is visible detail in many of the thicker arcs.

If they are distant, then some of them look like bridges of material connecting galaxies.

Then there is the Carina Nebula.

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Zoom in and out on the image. That looks to me as if it is a segment twisted, with the axis of a tube going across the image.

BTW, Be's comment about the missing parts of the image. Some of the stuff that we want to see may simply not be visible in infrared.

[crawler]

The universe is infinite & eternal.
Hence the JWT cant show us anything much new at larger & larger distances, it will be just more of the same.
But it will show us lots more (new) detail at near & mid distances.
Better JWT2 & 3 & 4 will likewise show more detail at near & mid distances.
The far far away is for the birds.

On the other hand, the far far away will show that the BB is baloney.

[Holger Isenberg]

The lensing effect visible in the first JWST image (SMACS 0723) could be helpful for EU if it's possible to show that a lens model based on the light refraction in plasma as stated by Dr. R.C. Gupta and Dr. E. Dowdye in the following video is better matching than any of the many proposed gravity-based lens models (https://archive.stsci.edu/prepds/relics):

Exposing the Myth of Gravitational Lensing | Space News
Andrew Hall, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fePQdJNVF9g
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2015/1 ... ot-gravity

Bending of Light Near a Star and Gravitational Red/Blue Shift : Alternative Explanation Based on Refraction of Light
Dr.R.C.Gupta, 2004
https://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0409124

The difference between light refraction in foreground stars' plasma atmospheres and gravitational lensing is the abrupt discontinuation of the plasma-based refraction. For the Sun it means for example, no light bending is observed beyond 1/2 solar radius above the Sun's surface while gravity lensing should be still observable there.

[allynh]

This is interesting. PBS put the full episode on YouTube right away.

Ultimate Space Telescope | Full Documentary | NOVA | PBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF-7eKtzAHM

[jackokie]

Are the "raw", unprocessed images available now, or will they be?

[Holger Isenberg]

This is interesting. PBS put the full episode on YouTube right away.

That's a long 1h video. Which part is the EU-related interesting section?

Are the "raw", unprocessed images available now, or will they be?

They will be available I heard on the online streams 2 days ago. Some (later?) may be delayed by 1 year they said as PIs have exclusive first access for some observations. I'm not sure if that 1 year is still current as I remember to have heard about max 6 months in some other NASA document. But at least after that time the raw data is publicly available.

update: The raw data of those first images is already available for download on https://outerspace.stsci.edu/display/MA ... Highlights .

[Holger Isenberg]

One of the Jupiter images could be interesting, the 3230nm (F323N) on https://blogs.nasa.gov/webb/2022/07/14/ ... oning-data . Because it shows a brightening of the visual planetary disc towards its limbs. Does it mean the heat is emitted by the upper atmosphere? If it was coming from the planetary center or its surface or as reflection from the Sun, the center would be expected to be brighter, I think.