If the big bang never happened, "Where is everybody?"

[allynh]

I always thought of Asteroids from the Atari arcade game.

Asteroids (video game)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroids_(video_game)

You can travel in a straight line and arrive back where you started.

Depending on how that closed space is set up, there should be visual patterns and distortions. We just have to look for those patterns, but since we do not know what the Milky Way looks like 300m years ago, we have to observe everything over the next 20 years that Webb is active.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homology_sphere#Cosmology

Cosmology

In 2003, lack of structure on the largest scales (above 60 degrees) in the cosmic microwave background as observed for one year by the WMAP spacecraft led to the suggestion, by Jean-Pierre Luminet of the Observatoire de Paris and colleagues, that the shape of the universe is a Poincaré sphere.[1][2] In 2008, astronomers found the best orientation on the sky for the model and confirmed some of the predictions of the model, using three years of observations by the WMAP spacecraft.[3] As of 2016, the publication of data analysis from the Planck spacecraft suggests that there is no observable non-trivial topology to the universe.[4]

We won't know what is out there for a long time, and we may need a larger telescope, but it may be obvious right away, and consensus may ignore the obvious.

[Aardwolf]

I always thought of Asteroids from the Atari arcade game.

Asteroids (video game)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroids_(video_game)

You can travel in a straight line and arrive back where you started.

Depending on how that closed space is set up, there should be visual patterns and distortions. We just have to look for those patterns, but since we do not know what the Milky Way looks like 300m years ago, we have to observe everything over the next 20 years that Webb is active.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homology_sphere#Cosmology

Cosmology

In 2003, lack of structure on the largest scales (above 60 degrees) in the cosmic microwave background as observed for one year by the WMAP spacecraft led to the suggestion, by Jean-Pierre Luminet of the Observatoire de Paris and colleagues, that the shape of the universe is a Poincaré sphere.[1][2] In 2008, astronomers found the best orientation on the sky for the model and confirmed some of the predictions of the model, using three years of observations by the WMAP spacecraft.[3] As of 2016, the publication of data analysis from the Planck spacecraft suggests that there is no observable non-trivial topology to the universe.[4]

We won't know what is out there for a long time, and we may need a larger telescope, but it may be obvious right away, and consensus may ignore the obvious.

The Poincaré sphere interpretation is dependent on the premise that the universe started 14 billion years ago with a Big Bang. If, like me, you believe that theory is garbage then a far simpler explanation is that the CMB is just light from galaxies so far away it is not currently feasible to image*. It took 10 YEARS to image the HXDF. Who is going to commission a 100 year experiment and why would anyone even bother when they think they have all the answers.

*Essentially the CMB is the answer to Olbers Paradox. If our eyes could perceive microwaves the night sky would be bright as daytime.

[allynh]

That's what's fun about the concept, no one is going to explicitly look for the stigmata, yet we may start seeing distortions over time as the pretty "pictures" come in.

The Poincaré sphere interpretation is dependent on the premise that the universe started 14 billion years ago with a Big Bang.

They were trying to force that model to be based on a big bang, but it's not needed, and sets the model up to fail. It's like the Michelson-Morley experiments. The aether is real, they just used the wrong model when they went looking for the aether, and did not see the very real aether drift that Dayton Miller did.

Now this next part probably belongs in the NIaMI section, but I think that it fits what we will see over time, so I'll keep it short.

First thing, before I start:

- Give me one miracle, and the rest follows. HA!

The Universe itself is an Infinite Chaos Sea filled with aether, with no structure, constantly in motion.

- Bubbles of Real randomly come into existence, that are all inside and no outside.

- Those bubbles of Real are stable, with 3-D space and thus what we would call "time" possible. BTW, "Time" is not a "dimension", simply us measuring change.

- They will exist for a time, then fade back into that Infinite Chaos Sea.

- Think of each bubble of Real as an Analog computer, with everything connected. All inside, no outside, with the aether vibrating inside that closed space.

Think of this video as example, both inside and outside the bubble of Real

Double slit experiment explanation macro quantum from Through The Wormhole S02E06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGCtMKthRh4

- The 300m light year bubble of Real randomly appears, sometime in the past.

- It is not "something" that appears from "nothing" it is simply a bubble of aether that follows the physical rules and forms a closed volume of space.

- That closed space creates distortions and harmonics that cause the aether to form atoms, not just hydrogen, and thus plasma.

- The "distortions and harmonics" are caused by the bubble of Real. It is "static", 300m light years across, but because of quantum mechanics -- Heisenberg's Uncertainty -- there is no such thing as "static". That 300m light years is constantly fluctuating like in the video above, powering everything.

- The plasma in that bubble of Real will start to organize over time into complex structures, vast and small.

- Over time, the fact that it is closed space, with an actual center, will cause voids to appear.

If you had a "spaceship of the Imagination" and could sit outside that bubble of Real, floating in the Infinite Chaos Sea, and then moved into that bubble, you would see a shell of galaxies, centered around a void about 300m light years across.

- If you could suppress the fossil light, and only see the "inside", you would see a shell 7.5m light years thick,

- From inside, with the fossil light visible, that shell appears to be 15m light years thick because of the faces are back to back,

- The Milky Way galaxy is located in that shell, not at the center.

- Being in the shell, and not the center, changes how the fossil light appears from our position in the shell.

- If we travel in our "spaceship of the Imagination" the galaxies that appear nearby are only a few million light years away, while actually being 300m light years on the other side of the void.

But I digress.

This next part we can confirm with time and observations.

We can see voids at least 300m light years across, so that is the basis for the size estimate. It is hard to be sure of the web of galaxies and voids because of the assumptions that they are using in their mapping. That will resolve over time.

If that bubble of Real were a sphere, you would see the Milky Way galaxy smeared evenly across the sky, the same way when you are at the center of a spherical reflector.

The shape is either an icosahedron or a truncated icosahedron. We won't know for sure until the distortions are mapped.

- We should see distortions around the vertices and the edges.

The volume of space that we "see" beyond that 300m light years is the fossil light that keeps crossing through the faces.

- We do not know how long that fossil light has been traveling, so we don't know how far back in time we are looking.

That fossil light will be jumbled because we are looking through the faces.

Icosahedron.

- The light traveling through each face will move straight, but be constantly inverted.

Truncated icosahedron.

- The light passing through the hexagons will not be inverted. The light passing through the pentagonal faces will be inverted.

This complex pattern will be hard to detect. It will look random until we can actually map galaxies and see all of the fossil duplicate images.

[Marioantonio]

@allynh I think it would be the same for size as well, like seeing through a scope that could see all the way past the subatomic level and you would just see the planet and cosmos again?