Electric Space: Evolution Of The Plasma Universe, 1996 Los Alamos National Laboratory Publication

[Maol]

Presumably everyone here is familiar with this information published 25 years ago which is a summary of the theories of understanding of the electric universe at that time.

Coincidentally, Section 7 questions the existence of dark matter.

Seems this report somewhat renders moot a prevalent theme in this forum, the ad hominem and criticism, directed toward "Mainstream Astronomy's ignorance of the Electric Universe".

https://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi ... lassic=YES

[Cargo]

Surely you jest and I think your ad-hom projection is in the wrong direction. How many mainstream Dark Matter articles reference Peratt and this paper?

[Maol]

Surely you jest and I think your ad-hom projection is in the wrong direction. How many mainstream Dark Matter articles reference Peratt and this paper?

Not jesting Shirley, and not in the wrong direction at all.

I have no idea how many mainstream Dark Matter articles reference Peratt and this paper, but in what context, Pro or Con, is the reference? I don't understand how this can be refuted or viewed negatively by mainstream astronomy because the Livermore Lab is a mainstream entity.

It looks to me this report describes pretty much everything adherents of the Electric Universe Theory espouse. It describes in detail the visible and full spectrum radio astronomy observations and measurements of EM fields energy and behavior. Looks like confirmation of Electric Universe Theory by mainstream astronomy to me.

Is this gentleman, Anthony L. Peratt, qualified to be described as a Mainstream Astronomer or perhaps not for some reason?

Did you read this or are you just shrugging it off? In particular, did you read section 7 on page 95 ? It clearly describes EM forces as a viable alternative to the "dark matter halo" theory to explain galactic rotation

[nick c]

Is this gentleman, Anthony L. Peratt, qualified to be described as a Mainstream Astronomer or perhaps not for some reason?

Go to the Thunderbolts website here:
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/

and in the upper right corner there is a site Search.
Type in "Peratt"

It will bring up a number of links that will certainly answer your question.

[jacmac]

Maol

It looks to me this report describes pretty much everything adherents of the Electric Universe Theory espouse. It describes in detail the visible and full spectrum radio astronomy observations and measurements of EM fields energy and behavior. Looks like confirmation of Electric Universe Theory by mainstream astronomy to me.

Good find Maol.
This confirms knowledge of A. Peratt about the plasma nature of the universe.
This confirms to me that Ignorance of the plasma nature of the universe is willful ignorance,
and probably falls into a similar category as the willful non consideration of all the Halton Arp evidence against the
standard model of astronomy.
I have read (sorry, don't have title etc) of a group of astronomers at conference confronting Arp saying:
You have anomalous data but we have a theory of everything, you don't, so we are sticking with our theory ! (I paraphrase)

The EU theory will only replace the "standard" model when it becomes more complete, and fully supported by
the evidence. I hope the Webb telescope supplies a lot more critical evidence.

[BeAChooser]

The EU theory will only replace the "standard" model when it becomes more complete, and fully supported by
the evidence.

Somehow I doubt that, jacmac. In my view there is sufficient evidence right now to negate many of the gnomes the standard model has promoted for 50 years and support the investigation of EU/Plasma Cosmology with the same money, time and fervor that has been devoted to dark matter and other gnomes. Much of the contrary evidence existed back at the beginning of that 50 years, as Peratt's article proves. But it was ignored then and many new evidence will likely be ignored now.

The problem is that cults don't care about evidence and those promoting the standard model are now the priests of a cult. And the only thing that cult *priests* care about is maintaining *belief*, maintaining their funding (and lifestyles), and protecting their control over cult members from outside influence AT ANY COST ... even the ruin of cult members. The current leaders of the mainstream astrophysics cult are not going to listen to new evidence, even from the James Webb telescope, any more than they have listened to past evidence. They will continue spouting their gnomish nonsense and adding new gnomes to explain away any problems that crop up as a result of Webb observations. And the media, already brainwashed by the cult, will support them in that reaction to new evidence.

So ... EU theory will only replace the "standard" model when the taxpaying public pays enough attention ... informs itself enough ... to know that a scam is being foisted on them and stop funding that nonsense. That's true with regards to mainstream astrophysics, mainstream climate change (formerly global warming), mainstream energy research (fusion, wind, solar, etc), mainstream covid research and mainstream UNIPARTY politics. Unfortunately, the bulk of the populace don't care enough to really inform themselves. They make good cult members. So they will continue living in the dark.

[allynh]

BeAChooser,

Read the book Evil Geniuses by Kurt Andersen to understand why we are not moving forward on many issues.

Read the book and you will see why you are correct about the deliberate campaign of "nonsense".

- There is an entire industry of paid trolls designed to confuse people about science.

Since I read the book, so many things have come into focus. I've watched as the PBS series NOVA has been corrupted. In the 80s and early 90s NOVA was great, pushing out real information. Then things started to become clearly wrong in the mid-90s as they distorted information by leaving out half the information.

I felt the need to start doing science programming for TV to address the clear misconceptions, but since reading the book I realize that even with great science shows made I would not be able to get them on TV. PBS has been hijacked by their sponsors.

You will not read articles about the Electric Universe in the mainstream press because editors know that they will come under attack by their subscribers and paid trolls that police those "news" organizations.

Notice, that YouTube does not block Thunderbolts videos because it is simply one more "pseudoscience" channel, lost among the "nonsense" created by the Evil Geniuses.

- The Evil Geniuses create confusion by having so much noise in the system to drown out facts.

As an example of Evil Geniuses pushing their own agendas:

For years, there would be articles about "Transhumanism". Those articles ceased to appear when Jeffrey Epstein died in jail while being held on sex trafficking charges. He was a billionaire who paid people to write those articles. Once the money dried up, the articles stopped. For articles discussing this.

- Google - jeffrey epstein "transhumanism"

Similarly, all of the articles and news over the past few years about UFOs, are being funded by another billionaire, Robert Bigelow.

- Google - Robert Bigelow UFO

For articles like:

Inside Robert Bigelow's Decades-Long Obsession With UFOs
https://www.wired.com/story/inside-robe ... with-ufos/

Once you understand that the disinformation campaign is deliberate, you can focus on finding real articles like the one that you found by Peratt and simply posting them here on the Forum.

You might do what I did, I created a thread on the Electric Universe - Net Talk section where I post all of the key information that I have found so that I can point to the thread when needed.

Find what is real. Collect it in a clear place. Then when there is a way to get past the "nonsense" you can point to your thread.

[BeAChooser]

BeAChooser,

Read the book Evil Geniuses by Kurt Andersen to understand why we are not moving forward on many issues.

Read the book and you will see why you are correct about the deliberate campaign of "nonsense".

- There is an entire industry of paid trolls designed to confuse people about science.

Since I read the book, so many things have come into focus.

I never read the book. If he'd stayed away from politics, I might have, but I was turned off by Andersen's own description of the thesis:

https://www.kurtandersen.com/evil-geniuses

During the twentieth century, America managed to make its economic and social systems both more and more fair and more and more prosperous. A huge, secure, and contented middle class emerged. All boats rose together. But then the New Deal gave way to the Raw Deal. Beginning in the early 1970s, by means of a long war conceived of and executed by a confederacy of big business CEOs, the superrich, and right-wing zealots, the rules and norms that made the American middle class possible were undermined and dismantled.

He claims that things began to go wrong in the 70s due to "right-wing zealots". That's clearly wrong and shows his leftist bias. The truth is that things went wrong before that ... in particular, when FDR became President in the 40s and implemented his "New Deal" (which Andersen seems to admire). What Andersen either didn't know or failed to disclose, is that FDR and his vaunted "Brain Trust", who helped him develop and implement the New Deal, were Fabian Socialists. The Fabian Society was founded back in 1884, on the death of Marx.  It’s what’s oftened referred to as English Socialism.  Its purpose was (and still is) to advance communism (renamed socialism to hide it’s true intent) via gradualist and reformist, rather than revolutionary, means. Its early members included such noteworthy writers (propagandists) as H.G. Wells, Aldous Huxley, George Bernard Shaw, Jack London and George Orwell.  Orwell became disaffected with Fabian Socialism (though not necessarily socialism) and wrote the book 1984 in 1949, right after witnessing what was happening in the FDR administration. Many think that he wrote the book as a warning about what English Socialism might bring to the world.

And what FDR's administration did (with a little help from earlier Fabian Socialists in the US government ... like President Wilson) was lay the foundation for what's happened to our economy, the middle class, and pretty much everything else that's gone wrong since then. If you don't believe this, consider the fact that the term "New Deal" came from the title of a book (A New Deal) written in 1932 by Stuart Chase, a self-admitted Fabian Socialist, who became an important member of FDR's Brain Trust and a top FDR administration official during the New Deal. Here's a link to that book: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id= ... &skin=2021 , which you can read online for free. But the book you really should read, if you really want to know what's going on now and how we got to this situation, is Stuart Chase's second book, which he wrote in 1942, titled “The Road We Are Traveling”. Here’s a link to that book which again is free to download: https://ia802600.us.archive.org/29/item ... veling.pdf .

The book is a celebration of the Fabian plan to convert America’s free enterprise economy into what Chase called Political System “X”.  It's a celebration of planned economies. Of restraining capitalists. Of spreading the wealth. Of socialist/communist thinking, in general. And a celebration of the progress that had been made during FDR’s administration towards those goals. Progress such as the implementation of Social Security, which arguably has impoverished the middle class (or at least made it far less wealthy than it would otherwise now be) in order to make it more dependent on government.  The change that Chase described is exactly the type of world that Obama, Biden and rest of the UNIPARTY are trying to force on all of us. Read that book and you’ll see that the overriding goal of Fabians is CONTROL of the populace, and that desire has seeped into science now. Those in control of guiding, funding and reporting big science have agendas that are impacting the pursuit of science … to the extent that many scientists are no longer conducting science … but worshipping religions … be it the religion of Dark Matter, Climate Change or Covid. But in each case, beneath the surface, it’s about controlling the populace by any means.

I have a lot more I could say about this, but then I’d violate the rule about not discussing politics … so all I can say is read the book I suggested. Then you’ll see that Anderson sees only a fraction of what’s happened and happening.

[allynh]

Thanks for the links. It's always fun to read books from a century ago that show that the same utopian viewpoints are still being recycled today. Great resource material.

Thanks...