Nowhere have I denied that a God could exist. Nor do I have any positive evidence. So I remain agnostic/undecided.BeAChooser wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 12:53 am I do to, but that can't include God if he exists and created the universe.
So you are denying the possibility that a God exists.
Why didn't you just say so in the first place rather than saying "Let us say that 'God' created us."
If the universe is everything that exists, and god exists, then god is part of the universe, by definition.
I think the point you may be missing is that I am acknowledging that our perceived reality, our entire cosmos that we can observe, is what most people call "the universe". But I would only call it "our reality" or "observable universe" or "microcosm". Others might use the term "universe" for "our reality" and "metaverse" or "macrocosm" for "all that exists".
Ok then, using my terminology, I acknowledge that an intelligent Creator could have created "our reality". Such creator still exists in "the universe" -- that being a macrocosm that extends far beyond our microcosm.
Also, "our reality" would need to have been constructed (created) using materials/tech available to the creator in their extended universe. not magic. (else we are entirely outside the realm of logic and science.)
Take for example a game of "Sim City" running in a computer. For sims (artificial characters) in the simulation, "God" could be the kid playing the game, or could be the programmer that made the game. But more importantly, the game exists in the computer's ram and CPU, which itself exists in our world, which is part of our universe. Thus, the simulated city and the individual "sim" is also a part of our universe, although the sim cannot observe anything outside the simulation.
Can we agree on that clarification/possibility?