Science during the Supposed Pandemic

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light? If you have a personal favorite theory, that is in someway related to the Electric Universe, this is where it can be posted.
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Re: Science during the Supposed Pandemic

Unread post by BeAChooser » Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:09 am

jackokie wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:26 am The CDC, NIH, etc. have lost all credibility with me.
I agree. They been politicized just like the FBI was to serve the narrative of the democrats before the science.

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Unread post by BeAChooser » Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:12 am

So it turns out Dr Mike (Varchasvski), offered earlier as a possible source of good scientific arguments, is a tad hypocritical when it comes to Covid19.

Back in November of 2020, when the number of new Covid cases in the US was skyrocketing (see https://sciencefeedback.co/wp-content/u ... firmed.png ) , here's what Dr Mike did ...

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020 ... istancing/
Internet Celebrity Doctor Mike Parties Maskless After Pushing Masks, Distancing

https://media.breitbart.com/media/2020/ ... 40x335.jpg
(BAC … that's a picture of him partying ... no masks or social distancing ... NONE)

Dr. Mikhail Varchavski, an Internet celebrity popularly known as Doctor Mike with millions of followers across social media, was recorded and photographed partying while maskless on November 12.

The Daily Mail reported that Varchasvski celebrated his 31st birthday in Miami “surrounded” by many “bikini-clad women” while not wearing a mask and in close proximity to others.

Varchasvski regularly advises his audience to wear masks and distance themselves from others as measures to reduce transmission of the coronavirus infection. In a YouTube video he produced and published in October, he recorded himself wearing a surgical mask while alone in a medical examination room. He also urges his followers to get flu vaccinations.

Varachavski interviewed Dr. Fauci, director of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), in March. Both he and Fauci characterized “social distancing” as a necessary and useful measure to reduce coronavirus infection and prevent an overwhelming of hospitals with COVID-19 patients.

… snip …

In September, Varchavski described Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) as his “good friend” while demonstrating how Americans should abstain from handshakes by touching elbows with his colleagues.

… snip image of that …

Varchavski has also supported lockdowns and shutdown decrees — ostensibly in the interest of public health — banning “non-essential” businesses, endeavors, and other operations.

The Daily Mail described Varchavski as “the vanguard of stressing the importance of wearing a mask to stop the spread of Covid-19.”
Dare we say hypocrite? And if you examine the image from his birthday that's linked in the above article, you’ll notice that one hand of the female, who is almost cheek to cheek with him on his left, have been obscured. Why? Well one look at this blowup from the original untouched image …

https://netstorage-tuko.akamaized.net/i ... mwidth=900

… tells you why. And I think that’s basically Dr Mike's message to all those who heeded his advice regarding Covid-19. That the rules apply to you, not me. Do you begin to see why examining the motive of those pushing what they claim is *science* might be as important as examining the science itself?

Now of course, Dr Mike apologized several weeks later … once he realized his hypocrisy wasn’t just going to be ignored ... for his transgression. But ...

https://medium.com/extemp/dr-mikes-apol ... 934397adb2
Dr. Mike’s apology for partying during a pandemic is full of excuses
Read that and you’ll see that first *Dr* Mike’s apology was made on his secondary channel … with 60,000 subscribers … rather than his main channel … with 6 million. Guess he didn’t want what he did known by most of his subscribers ... just as much as the mainstream media didn’t (which of course failed to tell the public about what he did while continuing to let him carry his and Fauci’s words of wisdom regarding Covid to the masses).

After that, you’ll read about the list of excuses he offered for his behavior. Claimed he was “cautious and nervous”. Look at that picture of him at the party. He looks neither cautious or nervous. Claimed he went to visit his father. Well, his father is around 60 years old, so contrary to what he preached, he was doing something that probably endangered someone in a high risk group. Claimed he followed the local recommendations (he did not, as the article explains). Claimed he’s young and low risk. Seriously? He is doctor who was traveling around the country in contact with lots of people. His risk exposure was probably higher than most of us, who just visited a grocery story once a week.

The truth is he’s just as fake as Fauci. When he told Fox Business news earlier in 2020 that “wearing a mask decreases the spread of this virus and that is of utmost importance for people’s health and the health of our economy”, he was apparently just lying ... doing his masters' bidding. When he begged the public to “please, if you’re going outside in public and going to be around other people, wear a mask”, he was setting a rule for the masses … not the leaders (and their minions) to follow. As one Reddit poster asked “Do good looking people just have an immunity to it that we aren't aware of, or does he just think the rules don't apply to him?" Maybe that’s a *scientific* theory we should investigate … good looks and beauty beget Covid immunity?

Just saying ... MOTIVE IS IMPORTANT IN EVALUATING ANY SCIENTIFIC CLAIM.

Speaking of which, Brian Gragnolati, CEO of Atlantic Health System, where Dr Mike works, gave the maximum amount he could to Democrat candidates, RINOs (like Collins), and UNIPARTY PACs in 2018 (https://www.campaignmoney.com/political ... p?cycle=18 ) and 2020 (https://www.campaignmoney.com/political ... p?cycle=20 ). Maybe Dr Mike just knows who pays his salary … and for his Florida vacations. ;)

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Unread post by Brigit » Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:55 pm

Science During subtopic: pcr tests

I think I mentioned earlier that two of us in our household have been denied fairly routine medical procedures. In one case it was because of hospitals demanding injection as a condition of service.

In my case, it was an eye clinic and the pcr test. The reasons I offered to take any other type of test but turned down the pcr test had to do with the fact that it is not a diagnostic test, and because it is a nasopharyngeal procedure which is too invasive. There were many other reasons which I did not mention, but it may be of some interest to others making a decision about whether to get tested that Bill G8tes and G S*ros have purchased a pcr test company:

"George Soros and Bill Gates Just Teamed Up to Buy a COVID Company By Jack Davis July 19, 2021 at 3:53pm High-profile billionaires George S8ros and Bill G8tes are part of a group that is buying a company that makes rapid C19 tests. The purchase of Mologic Ltd. was announced by Open Society Foundations, which Soros founded."

The name of the company is Mologic Ltd; when I was asking about the various pcr tests in my area for the surgery that name did not come up. However, there may be an American shell company which is not called Mologic but is owned by the same.
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Unread post by Brigit » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:01 am

Science During subtopic: vaccine definition, nasal vaccines

If we were to take a survey of definitions of vaccine we would find that in a good encyclopedia they will mention that they can be administered nasally, not just by injections.

In fact, there is a nasal spray vaccine being developed for the c19 virus.

Isn't it possible that people taking PCRs may be exposing themselves to drug delivery through nanoparticles, even without taking a nanoparticle injection?
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Re: Science during the Supposed Pandemic

Unread post by Lloyd » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:47 am

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B.A.C. said MOTIVE IS IMPORTANT IN EVALUATING ANY SCIENTIFIC CLAIM

That can't be true, because it's impossible to know anyone else's motives besides one's own, and even that is often unclear, because it's often subconscious.

Those who have the most influence in promoting the Covid paradigm may actually believe what they claim is true.

Provaxxers mostly seem to believe the mainstream claims about vaccines improving immunity and reducing disease.

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Unread post by BeAChooser » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:02 am

Lloyd wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:47 am B.A.C. said MOTIVE IS IMPORTANT IN EVALUATING ANY SCIENTIFIC CLAIM

That can't be true, because it's impossible to know anyone else's motives besides one's own
I don't agree with that statement AT ALL. One can analyze facts about a person or organization or group ... using their behaviors, goals and associations ... to determine motive for specific actions. Courts do that routinely. One need only look at the evidence (like all the facts I noted about Dr Mike, like the facts that have been discovered about Dr Fauci, like the facts that have come to light about the source of the virus ... and who lied about that, like the facts about Gates and Soros and their business/political agendas, like the facts surrounding members of the Biden Administration and UNIPARTY in Congress, like the facts that have been discovered about the pharmaceutical companies and who is making money off this, like the facts that have come to light about the CDC, NIH, DARPA, WHO, etc etc, and like the facts that are obvious about the mainstream media's EXTREME partisanship in support of the UNIPARTY ... all of this in the context of a highly charged political environment with a President who has now suggested that those who even question the mainstream Covid claims and actions are "enemies" of the State ... to *know* the motive behind what's going on here, sir.

Motive can be determined based on facts, just like they do in court. Ironically, it's a form of scientific method. You make observations, create a hypothesis and let others test that hypothesis by looking for counter observations or mistakes in the hypothesis. I and other skeptics of the so-called *science* behind the mainstream's response of masks, vaccines, social distancing, lockdowns and other garbage that's being forced on us have provided a mountain of facts and and a hypothesis involving foul play and dishonesty of one form or another by those promoting the Covid paradigm. And, so far, I've not seen any ACTUAL facts offered by mainstream pro-mask, etc supporters to negate what we allege (i.e., defend their bogus science). All I've seen the other side do is ignore the facts we cite, call us names or threaten us, dismiss the hypothesis we offer out of hand or using lies, and then regurgitate their memes (gnomes) about Covid, masks, vaccines which their mainstream media accomplices use to propagandize the public ... just like we see happen when it comes to defending mainstream astrophysics against EU proponents and AGWalarmism from skeptics. And Dr Mike is a good example of someone doing just that, as I showed in the posts above. So unless you can counter and disprove the facts we've offered that point to an agenda for mainstream supporters that has nothing to do with good science, I think it's fair to judge the validity of the *science* they claim based on those facts.
Lloyd wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:47 amThose who have the most influence in promoting the Covid paradigm may actually believe what they claim is true.
Irrelevant. We who oppose the actions of the mainstream when it comes to Covid have offered evidence for what we assert ... evidence that has been basically ignored. We are willing to defend that evidence in honest debate but that never happens. And I could care less if the other side *believes* the mainstream's paradigm. Their *belief* is not supporting evidence for it and is outright unscientific. Their "belief" is much the same as the "belief" in all those astrophysical gnomes that mainstream astronomers and astrophysicists have ... in other words, it's NOT science.
Lloyd wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:47 am Provaxxers mostly seem to believe the mainstream claims about vaccines improving immunity and reducing disease.
But the Covid *injections* being forced on us now using fear tactics about the cold-like Omicron DO NOT provide immunity. Multiple studies have shown that and several official sources have now admitted that ... and in fact the CDC officially removed the term immunity from the definition of a vaccine back in September of 2021 because they know this is true. The Covid injections have also NOT reduced disease. The facts dispute that. In fact many studies now indicate that they've increased the mutation and transmission of the virus, prolong it's threat to humanity. Yet rather than deal this reality, democrats continue spouting the same tired, politically motivated memes and are getting outright dangerous. Do you know that the majority of democrats, according to a recent Rasmussen poll, think the government should forceable quarantine anyone who is unvaccinated ... much like they are doing in CRAZY Australia ... which by the way is run by Fabian Socialists)? In fact, a quarter of democrats polled even said they would be in favor of authorities taking children away from unvaccinated parents. THIS IS CRAZY.

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Unread post by Lloyd » Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:56 am

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MOTIVES

Courts are not particularly scientific. They go through the motions, but it's often the side who can afford the best lawyers who wins the argument. That's not scientific. My friend takes anti-seizure meds (Keppra) that cause her to have delusions and paranoia and she thinks I stole her expensive phone and she reported it to the police. They didn't do anything about it initially because she didn't have any "proof". But then she used my phone to text herself on her new phone pretending to be me saying I'm sorry I stole her phone. So I got charged. Who's lying? Me or her? Did I have a motive to steal her expensive phone? Or did she have a hidden motive to accuse me? How many thousands of dollars would be needed to do enough investigation to determine the truth definitively?

In my previous post when I said Those who have the most influence in promoting the Covid paradigm may actually believe what they claim is true, I meant their motives are probably often not to fool anyone by lying but thinking they're doing the right thing by promoting what they think is true. And, again, when I said Provaxxers mostly seem to believe the mainstream claims about vaccines improving immunity and reducing disease, I meant their motives seem to be genuine and not trying to fool anyone by lying.

We don't know enough about anyone at any level of society to know what their motives are in promoting the mainstream Covid narrative. Those at what seems to be the highest level may actually be controlled by someone even higher up whose identity is unknown.
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Unread post by Lloyd » Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:56 am

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Cannabinoids from hemp prevent covid-19 coronavirus from entering human cells
https://www.sott.net/article/463101-Can ... uman-cells

Melatonin linked to significantly reduced COVID-19 mortality
https://www.sott.net/article/463149-Mel ... -mortality

Omicron in Scotland: Covid case rates lowest in UNVACCINATED, double-jabbed elderly are driving rise in hospital admissions
https://www.sott.net/article/463184-Omi ... admissions

SARS-CoV-2 is a Real Virus And it HAS Been Isolated on Numerous Occasions
https://www.sott.net/article/463275-SAR ... -Occasions

MIT research scientist says kids should not receive COVID vaccines
https://www.sott.net/article/463285-MIT ... D-vaccines

Myocarditis tops list of COVID vaccine injuries among 12-17 year olds, VAERS data show
https://www.sott.net/article/463296-Myo ... -data-show

Large British study finds risk of myocarditis doubles after each mRNA jab
https://www.sott.net/article/463366-Lar ... h-mRNA-jab

CDC study finds natural immunity is superior to vaccine immunity: long-lasting and broad spectrum
https://www.sott.net/article/463409-CDC ... d-spectrum

2021: COVID Deaths Increase, Flu Deaths Disappear, 400,000+ More Total Deaths than 2020
https://healthimpactnews.com/2022/2021- ... than-2020/

Up to 65% Increase in Deaths Among 18-49 Year Olds in the U.S. During 2021, the Year of the Experimental COVID "Vaccines"
https://healthimpactnews.com/2022/up-to ... -vaccines/

37,927 Deaths and 3,392,632 Injuries Following COVID Shots in European Database as Young People Continue to Die
https://healthimpactnews.com/2022/37927 ... ue-to-die/

Thousands of Miscarriages Following COVID-19 Injections Reported in VAERS are Being Censored as an Entire Generation is Being Sterilized
https://healthimpactnews.com/2022/thous ... terilized/

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Unread post by Lloyd » Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:53 am

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A new website has been launched where people can tell their stories about being injured by one of the COVID-19 shots. ... they also have groups people can join, and ... there is one group in each state.
Here's the link: https://www.realnotrare.com/

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Unread post by BeAChooser » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:34 am

Lloyd wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:56 am Courts are not particularly scientific.


Again, I disagree. Cut away all the fluff and distractions during a trial and at the heart of court proceedings is the notion that ascertaining the truth for justice's sake MUST involve evidence and multiple to weigh the validity and meaning of that evidence. That is at the heart of scientific method too. And just as scientific theories have to be peer reviewed to gain validity, western courts require that theories of guilt or innocence be "peer" reviewed too, before gaining validity. Our judicial system even says you have the right to "a jury of your peers".
Lloyd wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:56 am They go through the motions, but it's often the side who can afford the best lawyers who wins the argument. That's not scientific.
I've not suggested that our court system is perfect and without some of the same problems that trouble our scientific system. Sure, courts can be influenced by other factors. Money buys the belief of the jury ... just like in science. The mainstream spends a lot of money propagandizing the public to sell their gnomes? What do you think Dark Matter Day (https://www.darkmatterday.com) is all about?
Lloyd wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:56 amMy friend takes anti-seizure meds (Keppra) that cause her to have delusions and paranoia and she thinks I stole her expensive phone and she reported it to the police. They didn't do anything about it initially because she didn't have any "proof". But then she used my phone to text herself on her new phone pretending to be me saying I'm sorry I stole her phone. So I got charged. Who's lying? Me or her? Did I have a motive to steal her expensive phone? Or did she have a hidden motive to accuse me? How many thousands of dollars would be needed to do enough investigation to determine the truth definitively?
Just because you personally had a bad experience with the court system (and I'm sorry to hear that happened) doesn't negate anything I've said. Wikipedia states that "In U.S. criminal law, means, motive, and opportunity is a common summation of the three aspects of a crime that must be established before guilt can possibly be determined in a criminal proceeding." Prosecutors in courts work to establish motive to prove guilt, and we should do the same here when examining the gnomes being pushed by the mainstream. If a nefarious motive can be established for the actions of the mainstream Covidalarmism/media (or Climatealarmism/media or astrophysics/media) community, then what the alternative community says might finally get a chance to be fairly judged by the public at large. Right now, the mainstream, in all three cases, is simply making sure that never happens. Most people have never heard of EU and even social media is censuring what they call Covid misinformation.
Lloyd wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:56 amIn my previous post when I said Those who have the most influence in promoting the Covid paradigm may actually believe what they claim is true, I meant their motives are probably often not to fool anyone by lying but thinking they're doing the right thing by promoting what they think is true.
Sorry, but you are assuming something about the Covidalarmists that is simply not in evidence. In fact, the facts say quite the contrary. Fauci has demonstrably LIED to the public on many occasions. His own emails prove it. Facts prove he lied under oath to Congress. That's indisputable if you examine the facts. And the truth about Fauci has been presented in so many venues now that's impossible for Dr Mike, the members of Congress, Democratic Party leaders, the Biden adminstration, the CDC, and the media are unaware of that truth. And they are not stupid people. So the only conclusion that makes sense when they continue to regurgitate the lies of Fauci is that they are lying themselves and have a motive to do so.

They clearly do not believe what they are telling us. Which is why Dr Mike was out on the town partying with no mask and no social distancing at a time when he was telling all of us to stay masked up and ensure social distancing. Which is why Biden and top members of his party were ALL caught on camera standing around with no social distancing and no masks chatting with each other right before putting on masks and social distancing for a televised speech to the public in observance of 9/11 ... at a time when they were ALL insisting we all follow their edicts regarding masks and social distancing. When they were locking down companies and arresting or fining those that did not. And if you don't believe me, here's an article with photos and video of that OBSERVED behavior: https://www.usasupreme.com/the-democrat ... -ceremony/ . Sorry, but I hate to tell you, the folks who are most vocal about Covidalarmism are ALL hypocrites who do NOT believe what they're telling the public ... who are doing what they're doing for POLITICAL reasons ... not scientific ones.
Lloyd wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:56 amAnd, again, when I said Provaxxers mostly seem to believe the mainstream claims about vaccines improving immunity and reducing disease, I meant their motives seem to be genuine and not trying to fool anyone by lying.
But I'm not suggesting we look the motives of rank and file provaxxers (i.e., those who have simply been fooled by the mainstream media's/politician's/scientist's propaganda and fear porn campaign). I'm suggesting we look at the motives of the elitists who decide what the mainstream claims are to be. Fauci. Dr Mike. The CEOS of the vaccines making companies. Biden and the other top members of the UNIPARTY. The people they've picked to run the CDC, NIH, etc. And the left leaning owners of the mainstream media. Those are the people whose motives I think need to be carefully examined BEFORE we blindly accept the mainstream claims regarding Covid "science" and the proper response to Covid.
Lloyd wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:56 amWe don't know enough about anyone at any level of society to know what their motives are in promoting the mainstream Covid narrative.
Sorry, but we most certainly do know enough to judge the motives of the elites I mentioned above ... based on what they've said and written, based on their observed behaviors, based on who they associate with (the Chinese, for example), and based on how they benefit from one response versus another to Covid. We'd be FOOLS not to judge their motives when what what they do is affecting our freedom, our livelihoods, and our lives so dramatically.
Lloyd wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:56 am Those at what seems to be the highest level may actually be controlled by someone even higher up whose identity is unknown.
That may be the case, in which case we're back to discussing Fabian Socialism (also the Frankfurt School). Who has really been pulling the strings for a hundred plus years and why? You might find these three connected links an informative read in that regard: https://www.eurocanadians.ca/2014/06/so ... part1.html , https://www.eurocanadians.ca/2014/06/so ... -part2.html , https://www.eurocanadians.ca/2014/07/so ... part3.html . Ever heard of the Bilderberger Group and their yearly, quite secretive meeting? All the names that have now come to be tied to the UNIPARTY have been attendees. Trump wasn't. One of the founders of the Bilderberger Group was a Fabian Socialist named Joseph Retinger and a primary tenet of Fabian Socialism (and the Frankfurt School) is to advance their cause by deception and stealth ... i.e., by working from the shadows.

But even if the mainstream conspirators that we can detect now are controlled themselves, that doesn't excuse their lying to us about Covid or preclude us from judging and acting on the validity of what they claim based on what we perceive to be their motives for doing so. Discrediting the participants in that manner (and don't think they haven't tried to discredit their opponents .. calling us deplorables and threats to democracy) may actually be easier than countering their control of the narrative regarding what's *science*. Our experience with astrophysics should have taught us that by now, I think.

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Unread post by BeAChooser » Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:24 am

And we have this reassuring bit of *news* ...

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19- ... d=82355113
Many COVID-19 vaccine side effects caused by placebo effect: Study

Side effects are less common than people think, experts say.

By Dr. Aubrie Ford

Many continue to worry about experiencing side effects from vaccines -- especially the COVID-19 vaccines -- but new data from a comprehensive meta-analysis suggests there is little to fear.

The study from Beth Isreal Deaconess Medical Center found that a large number of side effects reported by patients after receiving their shot can be attributed to the placebo effect.

Researchers examined 12 vaccine safety trials, involving thousands of people, and compared rates of side effects reported between those who received a placebo shot and those who received a real shot. They found that after the first shot, two-thirds of people experienced side effects like headache and fatigue, which the researchers said were attributable to the placebo effect. Shockingly, nearly a quarter of the people -- some who received the placebo shot -- experienced side effects like a sore arm, also attributable to the placebo effect.
But, of course, the side affects that most of us are really concerned about are not headache, fatigue or sore arms, but things like Myocarditis ... which for some reason the mainstream media has generally tried to downplay or even hide. So should we blindly believe ABC and Dr. Aubrie Ford … or is what they claim tainted by a political agenda? Because when all is said and done, THE PURPOSE of the article is to convince people to get vaccinated, citing of the *threat* of Omicron. :roll: Here's the final paragraph in the article ...
"When people are armed with information, they are better suited to identify and manage their symptoms," Dr. Simone Wildes, infectious disease physician at South Shore Health, said. "This might also help those who are reluctant to get vaccinated."
The article never once addressed the real reasons people fear the Covid *vaccination* ... one being the fact that they aren't really being "vaccinated" given that the CDC just changed the definition of vaccine from what it has been all our lives ... just because they didn't want to explain why the Covid vaccines haven't worked like we were promised when folks like Dr Mike sold them to a gullible populace.

By the way, Dr Aubrie Ford is not exactly the voice of authority given that she got her DO in 2019 and this is only her second story for ABC (https://abcnews.go.com/author/Dr._Aubrie_Ford#). I'm not questioning her motives (I'm sure she's a kind caring person who likely has little time for politics) but perhaps because she got her Osteopathic education in a Harlem College so recently makes her a little more *useful* to the likes of ABC ... given it's agenda.

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Unread post by Lloyd » Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:11 pm

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Bea, you're violating the forum rules every time you discuss political issues like opposition to socialism and support for Trump etc. I think you have an ulterior motive.

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Unread post by BeAChooser » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:17 pm

Lloyd wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:11 pm Bea, you're violating the forum rules every time you discuss political issues like opposition to socialism and support for Trump etc. I think you have an ulterior motive.
I have no “ulterior” motive, Lloyd. My motives are clear as crystal based in what I’ve already written. I'm looking for a solution that will fix science. And I would suggest that your inclusion of the term “supposed” in your thread title was political commentary itself in that it suggests the mainstream has ulterior motives for labeling this a pandemic and instituting a draconian response to it. Which begs the question what are those ulterior motives. Indeed, you asked in the OP post if science has taken a wrong turn, then said “if so, what corrections are needed?” Since the problem with science is obviously ulterior agendas … many of them political … we can’t answer your question without discussing politics.

Now you asked another question ... “which individuals and organizations have benefited the most from the supposed [BAC - again, there’s that qualifier] pandemic?” That's another clear invitation to discuss the political entities that have benefited the most from what’s going on ... one of them being Fabian Socialists and their UNIPARTY. Their motivation for doing that involves the threat they perceive Trump and conservatism (you know, all those they've called deplorables and enemies of the state) pose to their agenda.

The same can be said of your OP questions whether “powerful organizations intend to promote genocide covertly” and “is it right for big tech companies” … or “any government” … “to police the internet and suppress alternatives views?” Such questions can only be answered by discussing politics ... since that’s WHY they doing what they are doing what they are doing to science.

And finally, in your last post you again invited a response involving politics when you wrote “Those at what seems to be the highest level may actually be controlled by someone even higher up whose identity is unknown.” Now if you really don’t want to discuss any of things, then only thing is true … SCIENCE IS DEAD … in which case there’s really no point in continuing this thread.

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Unread post by Brigit » Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:32 pm

Science During subtopic: Electric Universe and viruses; Electric Universe and nanoparticles; Electric Universe and retracing past scientific developments with emphasis on experiment to determine future experiments

Actually there is good reason to discuss the science during the supposed pandemic, in light of the science of the Electric Universe.

First, there are two scientific issues which face us and demand focus and clarity.

One is the alteration of virus', also known as gain-of-function research. But without addressing how unethical that is, or the illegality of funding it against the will of most voters and without Congressional approval, the stark scientific question we need to look at is the spike protein which was put on the virus. That is what was introduced. They sewed an ACE II blocker onto a virus. That is what we must face right now.

The second issue is the use of nanoparticles to invade human cells and deliver instructions to start manufacturing the spike protein. The spike protein is the ACE II blocker which was deliberately put on the bat-to-hog-to-human coronavirus.
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Re: Science during the Supposed Pandemic

Unread post by BeAChooser » Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:13 am

Anyone who thinks this …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ouM4L_5_6A

… isn’t a political decision, isn’t paying attention. Science isn’t playing any part in this decision. In fact, in addition to politics, greed is playing a role because the CDC, NIH, FDA and Fauci all share in patent royalties derived from sale of the so-called vaccines. Sorry … but in my fact based opinion, SCIENCE IS DEAD as long as the UNIPARTY continues to control the government and the narrative.

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