The Dark Moon

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light? If you have a personal favorite theory, that is in someway related to the Electric Universe, this is where it can be posted.
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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Cargo » Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:03 am

Holger Isenberg wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:59 am Small correction to my previous reply about the f-stop number:
Haha, F-Stop I understand and know. I'll purge stop dynamic from my mind now. :D
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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Holger Isenberg » Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:20 am

GaryN wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:36 pm wonder how the extended red capabilities of the sensor play into your adjustments
That's indeed still an open question as no public information is available about the type of UV/IR cutoff filter now on the GoPros.

That blue shiny coating on the crew module is something new, added after the previous test flights where the raw black of the heat protection tiles was visible. It looks like the coating on the Apollo service modules.

About the change some very basic information: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/engineers- ... xt-mission

New high resolution images are available since about 3 hours: https://flickr.com/photos/nasa2explore/ ... 0303788800

The original image EXIF data is included about aperture setting, ISO equivalent, exposure time. But without the information about the IR/UV cutoff filter no quantitative analysis is possible about the light levels. Interesting to see how the EXIF flash active bit is set! The 10min video about the cameras on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xv_4fBDC3w also shows a LED light on each of them. Focal length for the GoPros visible there as well as 5.4mm which is similar to the 5mm of the original lens.

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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Cargo » Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:54 am

Sorry if I'm off-tangent, but looking at this photo https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/525 ... ce9bf9.jpg
I can't help be reminded about the 'blue-light' 'eye-savers' on modern computer monitors. Some LCD monitors now include a blue-light filter to ease eye-strain.
So why would they put Blue LED lighting in the cockpit? If that is what it is in the picture. The red-light filter on a flashlight as been around at least 70 years as a way to preserve our eyes natural "night vision".

If I was designing a human space capsule with background mood lighting for the cockpit, it would always be Red.
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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Arcmode » Tue Nov 22, 2022 4:03 pm

GaryN - You mentioned: '...our consciousness and the apparent realities we create in the aetheric Matrix.'

This sounds interesting, can you give me an example of this happening? How and when are we creating reality as opposed to just experiencing it?

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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Holger Isenberg » Wed Nov 23, 2022 1:37 am

It's really dark out there, see this new video with Earth rising out of the Dark Side of the Moon: https://flickr.com/photos/nasa2explore/ ... 1646303704

Earth looks legit there, at least I don't see any indication for a missing UV/IR cutoff filter in general, but which wavelength they used is not yet known in public.

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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Holger Isenberg » Wed Nov 23, 2022 1:39 am

Cargo wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:54 am So why would they put Blue LED lighting in the cockpit?
I wondered, too. A few hours ago the capsule inside was shown on the new live stream on https://video.ibm.com/channel/b4dEcL3bJKW where they switched from blue to red which makes more sense.

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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by BuckeyeFrank » Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:14 am

Maybe it's both my monitors, but the moon sure looks like a low-budget SyFy movie graphic. GoPro is funny in that it can focus the solar panels and the Earth with apparent detail but the Moon looks like London fog has set in. :(

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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by GaryN » Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:24 pm

BuckeyeFrank wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:14 am Maybe it's both my monitors, but the moon sure looks like a low-budget SyFy movie graphic. GoPro is funny in that it can focus the solar panels and the Earth with apparent detail but the Moon looks like London fog has set in. :(
I don't see the Moon at all on my monitors. The solar panels are lit, Earth is visible, but the far side of the Moon should be fully lit too. Here is another Earthrise video, Earth appears at 2:30.
https://flickr.com/photos/nasa2explore/ ... 03788800/

We don't know and I doubt they will tell us about the camera specs or exposure times so we are really in the dark about what is going on. The line of sight to Earth passes through a deep column of the thin lunar atmosphere so I suspect the visibility of Earth is at its brightest there. Same as with the stars seen from the ISS, they need Earths atmosphere to make them visible.
A GoPro can capture the Milky Way with a single 10 sec. exposure from Earth, lets see the same thing from Orion.
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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Holger Isenberg » Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:06 am

GaryN wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:24 pm We don't know and I doubt they will tell us about the camera specs or exposure times so we are really in the dark about what is going on.
Strange low dynamic pictures now published from the Optical Navigation system on the Artemis 1 album: https://flickr.com/photos/nasa2explore/ ... 0303788800
example: https://flickr.com/photos/nasa2explore/ ... 303788800/
That system is of course not originally meant for nice images.

It's apparently based on the PIxelink cameras in panchromatic mode. EXIF information is also available there, but lacks the exposure, aperture, ISO setting. For the GoPro images the EXIF data is complete. Example:
https://flickr.com/photos/nasa2explore/ ... 303788800/
ƒ/2.8, 3.0mm focal length, 1/4000s, ISO 100, flash fired

Waiting for the GoPro images from 130km altitude...

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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Cargo » Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:05 am

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/525 ... 7e16f8.jpg

Zoom 500% into the middle of the large crater. I'm really having trouble understanding what I'm seeing there. What is that shape?
Oh, nvm, a closer view is in https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/525 ... 7eb3_h.jpg
I see it now. That may be the only crater that's not a circle. Probably a true impact site.
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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by GaryN » Thu Nov 24, 2022 7:50 am

Artemis live feed links:
https://video.ibm.com/channel/b4dEcL3bJKW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krX131i ... smosapiens
Too bad they they don't even try to show us something else, Venus should be easy, Mercury? Either NASA is really, really boring or there just is nothing else to see?
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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by BuckeyeFrank » Thu Nov 24, 2022 7:26 pm

GaryN wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:24 pm I don't see the Moon at all on my monitors. The solar panels are lit, Earth is visible, but the far side of the Moon should be fully lit too. Here is another Earthrise video, Earth appears at 2:30.
[url]https://flickr.com/photos/nasa2explore/ ... 303788800/ [/url
Wow, the power of the causal observer in the critical thinking mode. Nice! :shock:

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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Holger Isenberg » Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:33 pm

GaryN wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:24 pm the far side of the Moon should be fully lit too.
GaryN wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 7:50 am Venus should be easy, Mercury? Either NASA is really, really boring or there just is nothing else to see?
About Earth rising above the shadow side of the Moon is indeed some really complicated timing to achieve only a few days before New Moon.

Venus and Mercury: Also unfortunate timing, visually too near to the Sun currently.

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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by GaryN » Fri Nov 25, 2022 4:15 am

Venus and Mercury: Also unfortunate timing, visually too near to the Sun currently.
Saturn and Jupiter are in the clear. I'm sure the nav. computers could point the cameras precisely at them.
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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Holger Isenberg » Fri Nov 25, 2022 5:55 am

GaryN wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 4:15 am Saturn and Jupiter are in the clear. I'm sure the nav. computers could point the cameras precisely at them.
The Optical Navigation Cameras which took the Moon photo with the low dynamics are separate from the Startracker System.
The optical navication only looks at the Earth and Moon, their location and visual diameters. The startracker can of course see stars with their photo multipliers, but their images are only internally used, not transmitted.

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