Two Great Lights, Saturn and Neptune

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Telescopic observations of Castor began to reveal a more complicated story of the single star. Today, NASA says the system is made up of six stars:

A pair of main-sequence A stars, Castor AB, that orbit each other every 467 years
An "invisible" dwarf that orbits Castor A
Another dwarf that orbits Castor B
A pair of stars just south of the Castor AB complex, called YY Gem. This is also a binary system with two dwarfs that whip in their respective orbits around each other every 19 hours.

space. com
Castor: The Sextuplet Set of Stars
By Elizabeth Howell July 12, 2013

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What did Immanuel Velikovsky think of the outer ice giant planets? What role did he suggest for them -- but for Neptune in particular, in the recent history of the Solar System?

In his unpublished works, which are archived online, he said:

"It is not unthinkable that sometime before the age the record of ancient civilizations reaches, Uranus, together with Neptune, Saturn and Jupiter, formed a quadruple system that was captured by the sun and from which the planets of the solar system had their origin—but here nothing but imagination takes over where tradition based on witnessing does not reach."

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Immanuel Velikovsky says,
"It is not unthinkable that sometime before the age the record of ancient civilizations reaches, Uranus, together with Neptune, Saturn and Jupiter, formed a quadruple system that was captured by the sun and from which the planets of the solar system had their origin..."

This is very interesting that Velikovsky had worked out, based on his successful brown dwarf planetary capture model, that there could be systems of multiple substellar objects. (I am assuming that he thought they were substellar, not main sequence stars, before capture. That seems obvious, but I could be wrong.)

It did turn out that red dwarf stars and brown dwarfs are found most often in binary systems:

Starting in 1995, astronomers have been able to detect a few nearby brown dwarfs. All of the brown dwarfs discovered so far are parts of a binary system. A binary system is one in which two stars orbit around one another (just like the planets of our solar system orbit our star, the Sun).

Visible light images of brown dwarf in binary system [with a red dwarf star companion]
as detected by Palomar Observatory and Hubble space Telescope

So why would we care about brown dwarfs? It is possible that a great deal of the mass in the universe is in the form of brown dwarfs, and since they do not give off much light, they could constitute part of the "missing mass" problem faced by cosmology.

Now the last statement sounds a bit like wishful thinking, which casts some doubt for me on the actual numbers of brown dwarfs in the Milky Way. But even if they are not as numerous as all that, it is not unthinkable that a binary brown dwarf system could cross the heliosphere surrounding our Sun.

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Jupiter has an axial tilt more similar to the Sun's than to Saturn's or Neptune's axial tilts, doesn't it?

And Pluto/Charon and Uranus are on their sides, indicating a much stronger possibility of a past relationship between them -- but doesn't this nearly forbid a previous position in a system with Saturn/Neptune?


ref:

Assembling the Solar System

"Trying to devise an evolutionary model of the solar system from a simple beginning is not going to work. The expert was almost right, we need a separate story for each of the gas giants. And we need to identify their scattered family members. The simplest approach is to match axial tilts because phase lock with the primary is normal for a satellite. And a spinning planet or moon behaves as a gyroscope and largely maintains its axial direction in inertial space even when disturbed. A disturbance manifests as precession of the spin axis.

For example, based upon other independent evidence, Saturn, Earth and Mars were of one family. Their axial tilts are 26˚44’, 23˚27’, and 23˚59’ respectively. Saturn still has its ephemeral water-ice ejecta rings. And its calculated “density” is the lowest—less than water—a result of its recent severe discharge activity."

http://www.holoscience.com/wp/assemblin ... ar-system/

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One of the most powerful arguments for Immanuel Velikovsky's successful model of a brown dwarf capture by the Sun is the strong relationship between the water ice in Saturn's rings and earth's water. At least one ring is confirmed to be composed of salt water, like our own oceans.

L-type brown dwarf stars tend to contain a water signature, as the Electric Universe model points out, and is a good candidate for Saturn's previous state, before being captured by the sun.

However, and I am just tinkering with the details here, the red dwarf star also provides a possible candidate for the former conditions on earth: a red dwarf star is a cool main sequence star, and is more likely to possess a red anode outer sphere.

Within this red anode double layer in glow mode, planets may be orbiting a stellar object, in the Electric Model of Stars. These satellites would receive light useful for photosynthesis at all points of the globe. This may be an alternative and better explanation for why tropical life and coal seams are found every where, including Antarctica, as the hypothesis goes.

We see that within the Electric Universe model, both the red dwarf star, with its double layer ("helio"pause) in glow mode, and the brown dwarf, with the water signature, would play a role in providing the lush conditions for earlier epochs.

In short, a binary system of a red dwarf star and a brown dwarf star may each contribute to past conditions on earth, and we have already seen that these are sometimes found in pairs.




ref: Sodium salts e ring
ESA Science & Technologysci.esa.int › web › cassini-huygens ›
Jun 25, 2009 — ... sodium (Na) in varying concentrations in virtually all of its in-situ measurements of the water ice particles in Saturn's E ring.
etc etc

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https://www.universetoday.com/147514/th ... nion-star/

Two binary systems were brought together, and the other main Sun, shorted out. The two stars of the incoming system, fell back into gas giant mode.
All hell broke loose during this time. And the Gods were most upset.

I like the sound of that.

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by Cargo » Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:22 am
"Two binary systems were brought together, and the other main Sun, shorted out. The two stars of the incoming system, fell back into gas giant mode.
All hell broke loose during this time. And the Gods were most upset.

I like the sound of that."

I think you've struck on to something. Could this be the model that makes everyone happy? (:

"For some time now, astronomers have known that the majority of systems in our galaxy consist of binary pairs rather than individual stars. What’s more, in recent decades, research has revealed that stars like our Sun are actually born in clusters within solar nebulas. This has led to efforts in recent years to locate G-type (yellow dwarf) stars in our galaxy that could be the Sun’s long-lost “solar siblings.”

And now, a new study by Harvard astronomers Amir Siraj and Prof. Abraham Loeb has shown that the Sun may once have once had a very similar binary companion that got kicked out of our Solar System. If confirmed, the implications of this could be groundbreaking, especially where theories on how the Oort Cloud formed and whether or not our system captured a massive object (Planet Nine) in the past." ~linked article

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Doesn't it make sense? When I really think about it, it does. It's like 2 of everything. Birkeland currents, DNA, Life.

Even the planets have obvious 'pairing' in their design.