The Dark Moon

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light? If you have a personal favorite theory, that is in someway related to the Electric Universe, this is where it can be posted.
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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by GaryN » Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:27 pm

I notice in the GoPro HERO4 Black photo EXIF data 'Flash(on, fired)'. WTF?
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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Holger Isenberg » Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:27 pm

GaryN wrote:
Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:27 pm
I notice in the GoPro HERO4 Black photo EXIF data 'Flash(on, fired)'. WTF?
It's especially strange as the new space-rated camera body includes a new LED flesh on all modified GoPros onboard as shown in the video below. At first I thought it was just a software-remnant of the stock GoPros and just the flash bit was set and the actual LED removed. But that's not the case as the video reveals which means the flash was actually active.
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The original image EXIF data is included about aperture setting, ISO equivalent, exposure time. But without the information about the IR/UV cutoff filter no quantitative analysis is possible about the light levels. Interesting to see how the EXIF flash active bit is set! The 10min video about the cameras on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xv_4fBDC3w also shows a LED light on each of them. Focal length for the GoPros visible there as well as 5.4mm which is similar to the 5mm of the original lens.

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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Holger Isenberg » Sun Nov 27, 2022 3:59 am

And now it's bright. The engine exhaust at 27:04 in this video from yesterday is causing a surprising large white flash:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrDj9QRuUeI

This is the reused Space Shuttle Orbital Maneuvering System engine and uses Monomethylhydrazine (MMH) as fuel with nitrogen tetroxide (N2O4) as oxidizer. The burns lasted 90s and apparently only the initial few seconds show this white flash. Surprising as on Mars the skycranes for the Curiosity and Perseverance rovers also used MMH but with a solid metal catalyst fixed in the engine. I'm not sure if that difference in catalyst can explains the complete invisibility of the exhaust on Mars, especially there surprising as it has some atmosphere.

Maybe the initial release of non-burned fuel as cloud triggers a discharge through the spherical electrostatic field around the spacecraft. Those negative charges on spacecrafts in general have been measured to up to dozens of kV.

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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Holger Isenberg » Mon Nov 28, 2022 2:18 am

A new website about Apollo audio transcriptions has been published, currently with 11, 13 and 17.

Direct link to Apollo 13's final try to find Comet Bennett at 55h 43min mission time: https://apolloinrealtime.org/13/?t=055:43:37

Control icons for continuing the audio play you find in the middle of the left screen section. There is also a search (mag glass) icon which helps to find their earlier first try when sunlight reflection from the quad-antenna into the sextant prevented any sight of the comet.

The comet observation try starts at 55:53:00.

But then at 55:55:19: Houston, I believe we've had a problem here.

Forum to discuss noteworthy items, also to add them: https://forum.apolloinrealtime.org

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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Holger Isenberg » Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:24 am

Saturn visible by GoPro! Flight day 4, Nov 19: https://flickr.com/photos/nasa2explore/ ... 0303788800

I'm not sure what shades the Sun here, could be one of the other 3 solar panels as all of them can be rotated and tilted. But what's causing the Moon to jump later in the video is a mystery.

But nice to see how dark it is without direct sunlight.

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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by GaryN » Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:18 am

@Holger
A new website about Apollo audio transcriptions has been published, currently with 11, 13 and 17.
I read a couple of years ago about an effort to use AI to try and fill in some of the garbled or missing portions of the voice recordings. Over the years I have read just about everything on the missions, transcripts, crew experience reports, technical briefings and interviews with crew members. There are lots of unambiguous statements that clearly describe the utter blackness out there, that nothing other that the Earth and Moon were visible from cislunar space and I'll continue to believe them unless there is scientific proof otherwise.
Saturn visible by GoPro! Flight day 4, Nov 19:
There are so many unknowns with the cameras themselves and the line of sight during the imaging that it is tough to determine just what is going on out there. We know that Venus was on the verge of visibility from the lunar surface, and that in the far UV the stars were visible, with sufficient exposure. This IMO is because of the nature of the lunar atmosphere, it is insufficient in density and/or composition for conversion to visible wavelengths to take place, but we know that Venus and Saturn emit strongly in the UV
'Each of Orion's four solar array wings has a commercial off-the-shelf camera mounted at the tip that has been highly modified for use in space.."
And what were the modifications? A UV passing lens? Although I don't see much sensitivity to UV of the sensor, a Lumigen product coating is a possibility, NASA has used them before, including on Hubble.

Search "Ultraviolet Performance of a Lumigen-Coated CCD"

The solar arrays are another unknown, they are not just off-the-shelf units, and I suspect are gallium arsenide hybrid units. Do they have a flash mounted on each arm too?

The sun lit far side images look just like the Apollo ones, that light grey is due to the extended red capabilities of the films used during the Apollo missions, and I'm pretty sure that is what is happening with the CCDs. We know from the India and Israel far side images that did not have extended red capability that it is very dark at visible wavelengths. I wondered why NASA chose the new Moon to orbit the Moon, and think it may be something to do with the Earthshine phenomena.At new Moon the far side is fully lit, the near side only receiving Earthshine. With Apollo 8 there would have been a portion of the far side that had no Sunlight or Earthshine.

I still have not been able to match the orbit or trajectory of the mission using Celestia, but I see there is an effort under way to do that for Artemis one and beyond. It really is an amazing program and glad that some Russian geeks are maintaining it and developing add-ons and spacecraft models. To reproduce what I believe it is really like in space I turned off all the stars, galaxies etc, leaving just the planets and Moons. Then turned off ambient lighting. I am not sure how accurate the lighting model is but it sure is dark out there and the Moon does indeed look pretty dark unless you are really close to it. I'm hoping to be able to contact some of the programmers with some questions and suggestions, will gladly pay for their time.

It remains to be seen just what NASA will show us of the high resolution images and video that they have been saving, but I'm pretty sure we will not see anything that does not fit with the accepted models and, of course, we will still have no actual measured surface illumination levels.
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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Holger Isenberg » Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:49 pm

But at least the mystery of the move around of the Moon in the recent video with Saturn is most likely solved: Focus change. At least that's my guess what happened and could explain it.

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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Holger Isenberg » Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:00 am

This new video showing a quite bright Moon appears to be from some other camera model than the GoPros on the solar panel tips: https://flickr.com/photos/nasa2explore/ ... 0303788800

Most likely it's from one of the Pixelink (now FLIR company) cameras which may have different IR cutoff filters.

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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by GaryN » Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:59 pm

Arcmode wrote:
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GaryN - You mentioned: '...our consciousness and the apparent realities we create in the aetheric Matrix.'

This sounds interesting, can you give me an example of this happening? How and when are we creating reality as opposed to just experiencing it?
The idea that the world we experience is a kind of simulation is not new, and goes back at least to Plato, and Einstein also thought it so. Buckminster Fuller who was a friend of Einstein said the same thing, "life is but a dream". As to how we create the reality I don't know.
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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by GaryN » Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:39 pm

o far the images from the Artemis mission are a total bore, the Saturn and Moon one being the only one of interestg to me. It is UV I am pretty sure and the Moon is showing what is probably Lyman Alpha. It seems to be showing an equatorial ring too, which some people have claimed there is.
https://flickr.com/photos/nasa2explore/ ... 303788800/
The other possibility is that it would be an orange line from Sodium, too faint to see but instrumentally detectable.
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/file ... m-full.jpg
All bodies in space from asteroids to moons and planets will have hydrogen ENAs extending out a fair way, so what are the instruments on Earth detecting if it is the vacuum UV emissions from such bodies being transformed by Earths atmosphere to the visible wavelengths. Might all those stars not actually be stars at all, and much smaller than they believe?
I don't know what those artists supposedly going on a lunar orbital flight sometime will do with their time on the journey there and back. Sure they will see the Earth and the Moon, but even if they are kept fully dark adapted as were the Apollo astronauts they will not be able to see the stars or anything else.I don't actually believe they will be allowed to go, time will tell.
The first private lander is headed to the moon.
https://www.popsci.com/science/ispace-p ... on-lander/
The lander, all going to plan, will have 360 degree cameras but so far have not found any info on their specifications. One thing they will not have of course is a light meter.
The stars are not visible from any of the Orion cameras of course, the bright sunlight on the craft means the exposure times will be too short. NASA has it all figured.
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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Holger Isenberg » Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:14 am

GaryN wrote:
Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:39 pm
It seems to be showing an equatorial ring too, which some people have claimed there is.
https://flickr.com/photos/nasa2explore/ ... 303788800/
The other possibility is that it would be an orange line from Sodium, too faint to see but instrumentally detectable.

The first private lander is headed to the moon.
The diagonal bright streak over the Moon continuing outwards in both direction could be something outside, but there there is also chance for just lens reflections in this wide angle lens. An interesting lens effect is definitely the position change of the Moon in the video a few seconds later when the camera mode was changed. Saturn stays at exactly the same image location and also parts of the spacecraft which are still faintly visible. But the Moon change image location by about 2 lunar diameters. That can be explained by focus change, but if it was due to focus change why didn't Saturn move?

Maybe it was not just the focus change in the camera mode? Surprising is how almost completely invisible the spacecraft parts become during this mode change. Could be sun-shading by one of the other 3 solar wings, but I haven't seen that darkness in any other images.

The Hakuto-R lander has apparently an engineering camera, but I couldn't find anything about it. The Rashid Rover in it has 4 cameras with 2048x2048 pixels which looks like custom-made CCDs or CMOS sensors as those low resolution sensor are unusual today.

The few information I could find about the cameras:
https://www.itp.net/emergent-tech/98459 ... ch-cameras
https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2021/pdf/1905.pdf

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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by GaryN » Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:30 am

Earth, from lunar orbit, seen by the @kari2030 Danuri spacecraft on 24 December 2022 at an altitude of 344 km above the Moon's surface.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FljrFVGXoAI ... name=large

pdf about Korean DANURI orbiter instruments:
https://www.shadowcam.asu.edu/KPLO_engl ... ss_kit.pdf


The Lunar Terrain Imager (LUTI) has 450–850 nm sensitivity and no filters, got to have that IR to see much at all. Same old same old.

ShadowCam page:
http://shadowcam.sese.asu.edu/

ShadowCam Cruises Through Dark
https://www.shadowcam.asu.edu/posts/1268

Pushed to saturation I still see no stars.
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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Cargo » Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:52 am

I love IT. We now have a Dark Cruise, and it is very very very Dark. I love this part too
from over 1.2 million km away from Earth. The image has been rotated 90 degrees for display purposes
Oh'rly! what kind of display would that be. I at least immediately saw a vertial plasmoid-belt ring anyway. So if you flip 90deg it would probably display too correctly in the common view, and cause too many people to see it as well. But of course, who knows. it's all black everything in space.

And the first image is amazing, I would make a piece of wall art from that for sure. Very nice.
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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Holger Isenberg » Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:08 pm

GaryN wrote:
Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:30 am
ShadowCam page: http://shadowcam.sese.asu.edu
Black on dark background, interesting! Especially with that camera being 200 times more sensitive than the LROC NAC https://www.lroc.asu.edu/about which is a quite common CCD.

The LROC NAC has a 12 bit sensor and 200 times more would mean it can detect a contrast of 200*2^12= 819200 to 1. That equals almost 20 f-stops (2^20) which is way above the limit you can buy off the shelf today at 16 f-stops and sufficient to show the lunar surface and the brightest stars in short exposures.

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Re: The Dark Moon

Unread post by Cargo » Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:30 am

Despite the fact that they acknowledged there is no light in space, I thought of something else
the ShadowCam instrument points into deep space. Even in the absence of light, all camera sensors record varying amounts of background signal and noise
Can it map the CMB while it's out there? HAHAH LOL!
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